AFU serviceman: “Kononets Vladimir Vladimirovich, born on February 22, 1993, served in the military unit 1302, 93 separate mechanized brigade. Served as commander of the repair crew of the second self-propelled artillery division support platoon. Registered Donetsk region, Dobrovolskiy district, the city of Belozerskoye. Since 2019 I lived here Starobelsky district, Kalmykovka village. Served in military service in 2012 – 2013 in the 169 training center “Desna”, three hundredth tank regiment. Subsequently, I worked at the mine upon demobilization from military service and worked until 2019 at the mine. In 2019, when passing the annual physical checkup, on the bypass sheet appeared column the military commissariat. Went to the military commissariat to sign, and it turned out that I was a mobilization evader. I was offered five years in prison or to sign a contract for three years. I signed a contract for three years, got into training center in Nemirov village, Yavoriv landfill. I completed training, in September I was enrolled in the 93rd brigade. Twice we went to the OOS zone (note: operation united forces). The first time from mid-December to mid-August… from mid-December 2019 to mid-August 2020 in the village of Smolyaninovo, near Severodonetsk. And the second time… I don’t remember exactly, but in 2021 and we left in December 2021. And we arrived in either in March or April. I had repair tasks on equipment.
I voluntarily left the location of the military unit on February 18, 2022, came to my wife and son in Starobelsky district. I was here all the time. I planned stay one month, so that I could get a year’s probation and no longer continue military service.
I often went to meetings instead of my platoon commander and a such topic arose there: “Departure to Kharkov region, we were not told what place exactly, but it was said that this departure was planned because of the Russian-Belarusian exercises near the border with Ukraine. And possible provocations for shooting at civilians were planned, so that Russia could be blamed for it afterwards. In general, I was an involuntary witness to the conversations of two “pravosekov” (Right Sector fighters) at the Yavoriv training ground. When they were bragging about how they had taken prisoners in Peski or somewhere and how they had mocked them: they had cut off their ears, some had their genitals cut off. At the Yavoriv training ground in the village of Nemirov I saw the 95th Airborne Assault Brigade undergoing training with them foreign instructors.”
Correspondent: “Did they train with you?”
AFU serviceman: “Not with us! I won’t say 100%, I won’t deny that there was no such thing, but I heard that infantry were trained by British instructors. Up until the time I was in the brigade everyone were there mostly because of the money…a lot of young people: 19, 20 years old, they go to contract for what they are afraid of enlisting.
In 2015 in my hometown of Belozerskoye some part of the “Azov” unit was stationed. For a very long time, probably more than a year, these people kept the whole town in big fear. People often disappeared, they beat people up, and some girls were raped. They were looting: they went into a store, into a supermarket, they picked up carts full of things they needed, and on the way out they went through the cash register and the cashier said, “And to pay?”, one of them turned his PKM (machine gun) on her and said, “Ukraine will pay you!”
Correspondent: “Detained you how, in what conditions?”
AFU serviceman: “They detained me, Berkut officers came home and I went out to their yard. They asked me if I had served. I did not hide anything from them, I said I served, explained the situation, in which I went to “samovolka” (note: unauthorized leaving the military unit), they gave me time to get dressed and go to the district department of internal affairs…”
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There are more of them every day. Here are those who folded (1 + 1) and gave up and those who are illiterate at all and are now “sour”. https://t.me/s/chub_detection
@ Michel LeBlanc
Hey they touch on genocide on this posting. yesterday you asked and I’m paraphrasing “how can a person could deny the genocide in Donbas?”
That’s easy we just need to view all our sources of information with some doubt, not just the msm.
We hear reports in the news, and nobody believes each other’s media, those who don’t want their actions reported on, discredit the msm, along with those who just want to gain views and make a buck. Some media says genocide others say collateral damage. But we can draw some conclusions without media interpretations ourselves from some agreed upon and easily available numbers, and do the math.
In 8 years of fighting in the Donbas 15000 people have been killed. of these 3200 were civilians the remainder being combatants of both sides. A ratio of 3:1 Soldiers: Civilians
Looking at civilian deaths in similar other non-genocidal conflicts Chechnya 1:10 S:C, Iraq 2:1, Vietnam 1:1, and NATO in Yugoslavia 1:1 Donbas 3:1 Donbas civilian to combatant ratio is better than the other conflict with only 1 civilian dying per 3 combatants. ID say the number don’t show a genocide. We can also go a little deeper:
In 2021 there were 112 civilian deaths in Donbas.
Ethnic Russians make up about 39% of the population of the Donbas, and Ethnic Ukrainians 57%. The Russian Language is spoken by 74% of the people in the Donbas, as ethnic Ukrainians would need to learn Russian to work or go to school, but even though they speak Russian they Identify as being ethnically Ukrainian.
So these 112 dead civilians, are counted from the both sides of conflict. Assuming 39% were Russians that leaves us with 43 Dead Russians in 2021 or 7 killed every two months.
Hardly an efficiently ran Genocide. Even if all the dead were Russians, 112 out of 2.3mil ethnic Russians. Not a genocide more Russian men, 25% will drink themselves to death by age 55, or around 5300 per year in the Donbas will drink themselves to death!
Putin unleashed a terrible war for both Russians and Ukrainians in the name of this genocide. In two months, he has killed 10-20,000 Russian Soldiers. And surprisingly, (looking at Mariupol) only 3000 civilians. So, in two months Putin has Killed 2000X more Russians then would otherwise have died. The separatist war in the Donbas could have gone on, status quo for another 130 years and not as many Russians would have died as Putin has caused to be killed in two months by invading.
What about the pending onslaught by Ukraine that was planned, if Russia didn’t step in
If that was true, it was enough to annex the republics as they did in Crimea. But they went for more land as always. Russia is done forever with the West. It’s time to get closer with China.
Thats nice. As a start You should show Your good intensions and go east of Ural.
That would have put them at a strategic disadvantage. You don’t fight an enemy on your territory. You defeat him where he is located, cut his supply lines, destroy his depots and reinforcements. Otherwise he could resupply and reinforce and drag out the fighting, while you are on the defensive. Counteroffensive is the key to victory.
I can’t speak to that, weather it was planned or not.? But the discussion was on geocide that had allegedly happened, not a future planned one.
I double very much that as dependent on western infusions of cash, to keep the Ukrainian state functioning, Ukraine would commit or plan to commit a genocide which would jeopardies that annual 1.5 billion dollar cash infusion.
Ukrainian loses:
https://t.me/TheEternalUkrainian2/4626
Numbers seems to be lower that Russian DoD claims, but it looks like that 1/4 manpower is gone. At least 1/4 of ground forces. Most of the Air force/defence gone.
Not sure how Ukraine could possibly push Russia out. To create successful offensive/counteroffensive the force must be at least 3 times larger than defenders. Not necessary manpower but firepower
On the other hand, at the current pace, Ukraine will be completely annihilated within next 6 month. Hopefully, early capitulation will prevent complete destruction. But as we say about NAZIelensky: “Stupidity is weapon that cannot be defeated!”
Its common knowledge amongst Russians that you need to 10x the DoD numbers for their own losses to find the true number. Do you need to divide by 10 to get the correct numbers for the casualties they have inflicted?
Either way the deaths of all these young men is a tragedy and I hope the numbers on both sides are low.
I know that part of the war is propaganda, but if the factor 10 would be right then Russian would be pushed out of Moscow by now. At the start Ukrop had plenty of success in ambushes against Russian spear probing tactic. Once Russian switched to frontal war then they are slowly steamrolling through. Bomb, bomb, bomb. Then pickup dead Ukrops and move bit forward
One note on the disparity of the numbers of Russian MoD. They said “irretrievable losses”, which does not necessarily mean “dead”. Severely injured to the point of an inability to fight ever again is well within reason to be included in that terminology.
Your giving figures about a stalemate and,not only that, both sides where under a ceasefire agreement since minsk 2.
So do some more maths, those deaths since minsk 2 are murder are they not
A ceasefire, No hot action but temperamental and probably angry drunk armed men manning the trenches of both sides. The ceasefire had constant violations. see link below for the list of violations. As I stated previously. 112 out of 2.3 million is hardly a state sponsored genocide. A crime yes, a crime against humanity, maybe? by the individual perpetrators. IDK I’m no lawyer.
But more than likely they were just caught in the cross fire stray bullets, carless morter fire, left over mines, unexploded ordinance, perhaps a shell shocked and angry soldier taking some revenge IDK. My data just list then as civilian casualties they could have died from lack of access to medications, or starved and been included.
Show me how the 112 died. ? with something to back up the statement that’s not a Putin speech.
Its like my last hotel vaccation. Here all was included incl milk in the coffee.
Its like the Stalin Banderas constrution. Here its forgotten how many Banderas Ukrainians was killed by the Poles. in the war between West Ukraine and Poland.
Next the Poles killed and defeated the Red army too.
And Stalin REVENGE REVENGE. Denikin is censured out too. So many died there too and next:
BY Stalin/Lenin: REVENGE REVENGE.
Thats a part of it today.
It started in the vikingage. In some marrige arrangement a nanny goat with only one tit made it.
Donbass was just an excuse and a darn good one. Putin hates nazis and that’s a good enough reason for me and the sort of nazi scum that has infected Ukraine is particularly revolting and an insult to humankind.
So go suck on a lemon.
Russian politicians have a different definition of Nazi then the rest of the world. Anyone who disagrees or is against the Political ideology of Russky Mir is considered a NAZI. I think that’s why confusing as it is, a Jew, a descendent of holocausts survivors was happily running a state full of NAZIs.
read up on Russky Mir its the ideology that is guiding Putin, it’ll help make sense of weird Russian shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_world
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Your Russophobia will be awarded :)
I don’t hate the Russian people.
Just lies, deception and human misery. I stated above this war is BAD for both the Ukrainians and the Russian people. People from every country are more or less the same mostly good people, with a few dicks here and there, mostly just wanting to live their lives.
Its the political elites with their grand ideas and ideologies that cause the conflicts. maybe I’m a politicianophobic?
You are totally wrong. We in West all know the too many killings You descriebe as genoside.
As a start this is not even near genoside. Next killings has not only been one way.
You also dont analyse Russia made those contrasts, which for good reasons exploded at Maidan. If You can do a sober governes, You resign and someone else has to try.
You also might have forgotten there were other vital probpms as well. It was and is a collapse.
I agree with you “vennen min” Jens.
There is a system’s collapse.
It’s all based upon the West/USA selling it’s weapons.
They sold their vaccines during two years and now the investors have sold the medicine stocks and bought the weapons’ stocks and need all the weapons in the West be sent to the East so they make profits during times of emergency.
Putin’s drawing the West into the Russian Winter: Hitler’s troops had a glorious summer campaign then the winter set in and they didn’t have winter clothes because Hitler thought it’d be over in weeks and he’d have petrol left to drive back to Germany.
Napoleon’s troops marched straight into Russia to little or no resistance except for at the Battle of Borodino (Moscow’s outskirts) where Napoleon lost a third of his Army.
NATO’s got six months of warm weather now, but is running low on manpower seeing most of Ukraine’s Army is either dead or wounded/exhausted and the Russian spin machine is in full swing.
– Not to mention that most of the UN ranks support Russia against the imperialist West of rich privileged billionaires using the stupid throngs of morons on TV news channels to gobble up all the propaganda they are able to throw at them… Islam-Leftists have really made a mess of the world.
Id think it is the other way around, where Putin is taking over the role of Hitler on this one. He is guided by an ideology of Russian race supremacy (Russky Mir) he came into the war as the aggressor, with all the advantages, the bigger more powerful army, prepared for war. where The Ukrainians are scrambling to get organized, now their military strength is growing daily due to the lend-lease program and allied supplies.
Go read again Wikipedia, your math is too much doomed. Genocide is the destruction of a people and those who rule now in the most part of Ukraine want the destruction of all that is russian or half russian there. A good ilustration is the destruction of the monument to the ukrainian russian friendship in Kiev yesterday. More, today Ukraine is a fascist state, where millions are opressed and persecuted, so we can say that Russia is helping all the multiethnic Ukraine by denazifying the army and all the state.
Genocide has lost it’s meaning because any time a civilian is killed intentionally in a war people scream “genocide” when they really mean “murder”. I can assure you that the slavic people will survive in Ukraine as Ukrainians would have to commit suicide on a mass scale in order to succeed.
Now you got pretty fancy with them there statistics but your 3:1 ratio of combattant to civilian deaths doesn’t tell the story. There were 15,000 killed in the war on both sides not one so you have no way of knowing which civilian was Russian speaking and who was Ukrainian. likewise that stat doesn’t tell you that Russian speaking civilians in the Donbass were intentionally shelled and strafed … not just accidential deaths
What is happening in Ukraine is ethnic cleansing in the form of forced assimilation of Russian speaking people in Ukraine and the intentional targetting of civilians. Certainly not genocide but certainly a war crime.
Ukrainians have a history of ethnic cleansing btw. They were entheuastic participants in the German attempted genocide of the jews in the 1940 s and they cleansed Ukraine of Poles by killing 100,000 of them between 1943 – 45. Since 2014 they’ve persued a policy of forced assimilation and targetted violence against Russian speakers and that’s a documented fact.
That s too many Numbers for the gulible retards that keep being fed russian propaganda. Brainwashed can t compute Simple math
He is lying with numbers and made up technicalities. Those are UN numbers. The UN has long since ceased to be impartial. They only classify civilians as such if they absolutely have to. Any excuse is welcome to put a civilian as combatant. The burden of proof is on the civilians basically to prove that they died without participating in hostilities.
do you have anything to back up your statements? The media and judges are supposed to be impartial. The UN assembly votes are a gauge of world opinion.
Actually the definition of civilians killed due to war is very wide. Likely impart to make war look as bad as they can. The UN is an anti war organization. this wider definition includes those who die of starvation, malnutrition, lack of medical intervention, in Iraq many even claim the number of children who where not born because so many people placed their lives on hold are often quoted as war casualties.
The problem with the classification of only so small a number as “civilians” is that the dead “combatants” are also mainly civilians that took up arms to defend themself. It was a criminal act to send the military to the Donbass in 2014. All dead on the opposing side should be classified as civilians. Had they not acted, the Ukrainian military would have made a bloodbath of Donbass a long time ago, i.e. genocide.
And much more, about Donbass he forgot the orthodoxes, the voters on Yanukhovsky, those who declare the russian as their first language, etc. His math is: he pick what he wants. Good luck for him with such method in a so tremendous momentum.
i addressed the issue of ethnic Ukrainians who only speak Russian.
I Speak English as a first language, but feel no love or loyalty to the queen, or the UK.
” It was a criminal act to send the military to the Donbass in 2014. ”
When Armed Russian citizens supported by the Russian government and Russian irregular troops , are occupying government buildings and declaring independence. Do you send in the girl guides? the police were out gunned. Its every governments right to respond to armed occupiers of their land as they see fit.
When the people of Grozney declared independence when Putin first came to power why did he not let them do their thing? what do Putin do?
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Much of southern Ukraine are Russian speakers. there was no genocide committed elsewhere, so I doubt very much there would have been in the Donbas.
Putin is stirring up shit likely for several reasons:
1) Ukraine was moving closer to Europe, and Putin doesn’t think they could have kept the relationship
2) 2013 a large gas field was discovered in the Donbas that would compromise into Putins control of Europe
3) the Russian and Ukrainian people have a lot of communication between them. If democracy started working in the Ukraine for Slavs, it could undermine Putin’s dictatorship.
4) Putins Ideology of Russky Mir makes him believe the Russians are the master race and all Slavs want to be united under Russian control. Which is likely why he was confident the Ukrainians would welcome Russian troops onto their land.
You are not worthy of my time, troll.
Now another one of the systematic Russian propganda. Things might be correct or partly correct.
Its made so Ukras has to look just as bad as themself.
We in west already has known that for many years and has condemmed it. The Russian dirtback version is that USA, NATO, EU has ignored or hidden it and even support the hordes of Nazis running the whole god dammed thing.
It was obvious from the beginning of the spewing of the “false flag” gibberish that it was intended as disguise for the true flag atrocities of the Ukrainian forces, so everybody could just say the Russians are making shit up or even pin the crimes on them.
Look at Bucha and, even more blatant, Kramatorsk.
Commie DoubleSpeak:
1. Commies did not invade Ukraine
2. Ukrainians displaced themselves
3. Victory is flashed before and during a battle, but not after.
Only an idiot doesn’t know that it is the US and NATO attacking Russian territories and ships. Ukraine on it’s own cannot do this. There capability to do such attacks have seriously been degraded by weeks of systematic destruction of their land, air and see assets.
Since during the Cold war and up to the present times, US either directly or through weapon supply to Soviets or Russian adversaries have killed over 100,000 Russians. And this is not a secret. US even brags about it and don’t hide ill feelings and vile words towards Russia.
So, what will Russia do about all these. What Russia does best is what they are known to do – pretend that they don’t know who is attacking her. This weakness is very well known by US and that’s why the attacks will continue and be intensified deeper and deeper into Russian territory.
Russia, unfortunately disappoints and disappoints heavily. To the very least, Russia must let the gloves off and start attacking all vital infrastructures of Ukraine including government buildings, military schools, academies railway depots, vital roads etc. etc.
Over 300 billion dollars of their money has been frozen, part of which will now be used for Ukraine purposes. So the gloves should be off and make sure she achieved all her aims in Ukraine.
If they want to demilitarize and denazify, they better start being serious.