Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani, center, attends a meeting with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Revolutionary Guard commanders in Tehran, Iran, September 18, 2016. (Office of the Iranian Supreme Leader via AP)
On August 22, the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) ground force headquarters “Hamzah Sayed al-Shuhda’a” released an official statement denying that the IRGC is planning any joint operation with Turkey against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party also known as the (PKK).
“We have not planned for any operations across the borders of the Islamic Republic of Iran,” the IRGC said in a statement.
President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan claimed on August 21 that Turkey and Iran are planning to launch a joint military operation against the PKK in the near future.
Furthermore, Erdogan added that he discussed the PKK threat with the chief of the staff of Iran’s armed forces, General Mohammad Hossein Bagheri last week.
“Although the Islamic Republic of Iran has no plan to take widespread operational actions outside its borders, if any terrorist group aims to take the slightest measure to create insecurity on our borders, they will be faced with our intensive and fierce response, and their remnants will be targeted wherever they are,” the IRGC added.
The PKK increased operations against the Turkish Army in the last few years mainly due to the war in Syria. On August 17, the Turkish authorities seized western made weapons that was supplied to the PKK by the US-backed forces in Syria.
Iran and Turkey have some common points like the concerns about Kurdish separatism but this is not enough for some kind of joint military operation . Lets not forget that Turkey was (and probably still ) one of the countries actively working against the Iranian interest in Syria and Iraq
Turkey was against Iran and Syria before Israeli death squads tired to kill Erdogan and his family and before he realized Turkey is to be carved up and destroyed like Poland in World War 2 as part of Israel’s Yinon plan for a greater racist supremacist Israel.
yes but, a Kurdish state could mean sympathy for Kurds in Iran which means a war inside Iran which the Israeli’s and USA could take advantage of!
The common phrase of “there is no such thing as ‘allies’, only common interests”!
Don’t the Iranians, Turks and Syrians have common interests here?
If u ask me, this is the can opener for a war against Iran so i wouldn’t find it hard to believe that the Turks (who stand to lose 1/3 of Turkey) Iran and Syria have made plans for this!
A Kurdish state would be a new launching ground against Iran!
I have a feeling the Iranians and the Turks are taking care of this shit now before it can be used against them!
It would be very naive to think that Arab Spring was not going to happen without Turkey targeting Syria, the remarkable thing is that Assad survived, Erdogan had a scrape with being ousted and survived also, straight after that Syria was no longer targeted by Turkey who realised that the common enemy to humanity was the Kurds being used by israel and the jew US who are the enemy of Allah, Iran should feel privliged that Erdogan wants to do joint operations with them against the Kurds.
There it is as I predicted Turkey is now firmly in the Russian / Chinese economic and military sphere as is Iran. This is why the racist supremacist Jewish empire is already talking about sanctions against Turkey. Expect a joint Turkish, Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian military assault against the Kurds and the USA in Iraq and Syria backed by Russia and China. The USA and the Kurds should lose such a battle within a couple of weeks, maybe Saudi Judea Arabia will go down as well, if they are stupid enough to get involved when they have no chance of winning. Syrian and Iraqi sovereignty and territorial integrity will be restored as the racist supremacist Jewish plans for a greater racist supremacist Israel are defeated. This will likely result in the total collapse of the global racist supremacist Jewish empires economy as the USA and EU economies collapse, along with the federal reserve private Jewish dollar, if they try to get involved or fight in such a war in Syria and Iraq they can’t win instead of just leaving.
The Turkish army alone is enough to crush the USA and the Kurds in Syria and Iraq as it is the second biggest in NATO, oh and NATO will break up as well.
NATO should have been dismantled when the Soviet Union collapsed. Its task was over back then. Instead, NATO became a tool of the establishment to feed their interests.
The oligarchs in the USA were partying a bit too early, when they thought that with Jelzin Russia would become their puppet. They didn’t reckon the return the Russian oligarchs would hand out. Until today the US establishment is pissed off about that. And as it is, never piss off people who never could stop when it came to stomping reason into the ground. Ignorance is feeding arrogance, leading to defeat roman empire style.
What I’m always asking myself is, when do the people of this planet finally start being responsible again, to get rid of all these oligarchs and their henchmen, the politicians? Probably never, hailing their worst enemies as their saviors.
Yes NATO should have been dissolved Gorby should have insisted.
Well first off all they have to be able to mention the J word which you seem unable to do. It’s not 100% them, maybe about 90% them, which can easily be proven. Also only about 90% of Jews are racist supremacists according to the latest Israeli polling.
Is that your ideology Jews are gods and can do no wrong no matter the evidence? I see many like that these days. .From the cognitive dissonance reaction programmed into the sacrificial Goyims by their racist supremacist Jewish slave masters it makes me wonder if there is any supernatural element to it beyond just cult-ish mind control brainwashing as some have told me. It would be great to do an experiment with 500 persons, to see if they can be deprogrammed to become a rational human being who considers facts and evidence and no longer worship Jews as gods.
Can you see when a person says they have no ideology and then the next words out of their mouth are that they ignore facts, reality, evidence because their superior master racist race Jews, can do no wrong ideology it’s an ideology and an irrational one at that? This makes no sense at all and clearly shows when brains are washed etc.?
I don’t care how outrageous something may sound what matters to me is if it can be proven. I think it is great if someone can prove me wrong in anything or teach me new things, it makes me stronger and smarter. If people all thought Jews are gods and can do no wrong throughout history, there would be no airplanes, medicine etc. as it would be against their ideology doctrine, “people flying planes that’s heresy I don’t want to even consider it, burn any who says that”.
When confronted with facts brainwashed persons can’t refute from sources they can’t deny they get angry, hysterical, etc which means they know I am right. No one gets mad if they are told the earth is flat. Are you like these guys a racist supremacist Jew can just waive their hand and you believe anything they say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_xfR64qSk
This is not the droid you are looking for. =)
There is no reason to call out people from any nation, race or religion. We all know that there are more or less reasonable and irresponsible people amongst all of them, no exception there.
You are falling for the usual trap, which I can’t blame you for. Those traps are exactly designed for that and are part of divide et impera, a ritual thousands of years old.
Instead of addressing the issues at hand, people are debating about the people themselves. However, they are not talking about those who are explicitly involved, but about a group of people that is simply ascribed to it, including everyone who has nothing to do with the issues themselves.
That isn’t leading to any result, instead is opening front lines which didn’t exist before and are not linked to the matters at hand, but become associated with them. This just plainly results in the usual blame games, which are disrespectful, while anyone involved believes that their disrespectful actions are justified. At the same time, those involved get away without consequences.
We should remember, that the worst atrocities have been caused by those, who believed in their ideology. It’s no different in Syria or an other conflict like Afghanistan, Libya or Philippines too, only to name a very few linked to Al-Qaeda or Daesh in this case.
Everyone has to ask himself which principles in life they follow. I can only tell for myself which principles they are:
Peace, liberty and solidarity.
With these principles, it is impossible to play the blame game, as you are aware that blaming people won’t yield any results, but will cause the exact opposite.
Ask your self, if you can demand these principles or not. Imagine yourself in a position, having a gun pointing at someone else. And vice versa, being the one who the guns is pointed at, not having a chance to defend yourself. Then you will quickly understand how these principles work and if they can be demanded or not. The only way, to live together with other people around, is defined by it.
Furthermore, I’m on no ones side in this conflict or any other, I’m on the side of humanity. This currently leaves me no choice but to stay on the side of the international law. It is the most reasonable side to stay on, as long as humanity is not able to deliver a better framework to live in. If we go by this, we will quickly realize, that whoever is involved in the Syrian conflict or any other, all of them got caught black handed at one point or the other. No exception.
There is no black and white in this conflict, only many victims falling for those who are wielding their powers. Many shades of grey.
As such, I have to ask, why should I single out one group of people? There is no point to it. It would be exactly the fault I’m supposed to fall for, for those who are in power.
For some time I noticed, that many times Edward Bernay, often being called the inventor of propaganda, is used as example. However, it is always the work he did before WW II even erupted. The time didn’t stand still since then and many new discoveries, how humans are really ticking, have been made since. But no one is talking about that.
Just to name two, who are interesting in this regard:
Stanley Milgram (Milgram experiment)
James B Calhoun (Mouse utopia experiment)
To make it short, very short: You can discuss with reason as much as you want, it doesn’t matter, if the people react to believes instead, your voice goes unheard.
Making people believe is the current form of manipulation, washing them over and over again with the same nonsense. At one point, the people will believe the nonsense. To induce such believes more effectively, you can shock the people too, after a shock people are very receptive. Shocking them first, then spouting the nonsense, welcome to the mass manipulation of our time.
The TV and radio in the house are your worst enemies. Not that the internet would be any better by now. But that isn’t even the worst, even knowing how you get manipulated, doesn’t save you from manipulation.
I’m hopeful that more people in this world will understand what all of this means, while, for sure, the mass of the people won’t.
This is not the droid you are looking for. =)
There is no reason to call out people from any nation, race or religion. We all know that there are more or less reasonable and irresponsible people amongst all of them, no exception there.
You are falling for the usual trap, which I can’t blame you for. Those traps are exactly designed for that and are part of divide et impera, a ritual thousands of years old.
Instead of addressing the issues at hand, people are debating about the people themselves. However, they are not talking about those who are explicitly involved, but about a group of people that is simply ascribed to it, including everyone who has nothing to do with the issues themselves.
That isn’t leading to any result, instead is opening front lines which didn’t exist before and are not linked to the matters at hand, but become associated with them. This just plainly results in the usual blame games, which are disrespectful, while anyone involved believes that their disrespectful actions are justified. At the same time, those involved get away without consequences.
We should remember, that the worst atrocities have been caused by those, who believed in their ideology. It’s no different in Syria or an other conflict like Afghanistan, Libya or Philippines too, only to name a very few linked to Al-Qaeda or Daesh in this case.
Everyone has to ask himself which principles in life they follow. I can only tell for myself which principles they are:
Peace, liberty and solidarity.
With these principles, it is impossible to play the blame game, as you are aware that blaming people won’t yield any results, but will cause the exact opposite.
Ask your self, if you can demand these principles or not. Imagine yourself in a position, having a gun pointing at someone else. And vice versa, being the one who the guns is pointed at, not having a chance to defend yourself. Then you will quickly understand how these principles work and if they can be demanded or not. The only way, to live together with other people around, is defined by it.
Furthermore, I’m on no ones side in this conflict or any other, I’m on the side of humanity. This currently leaves me no choice but to stay on the side of the international law. It is the most reasonable side to stay on, as long as humanity is not able to deliver a better framework to live in. If we go by this, we will quickly realize, that whoever is involved in the Syrian conflict or any other, all of them got caught black handed at one point or the other. No exception.
There is no black and white in this conflict, only many victims falling for those who are wielding their powers. Many shades of grey.
As such, I have to ask, why should I single out one group of people? There is no point to it. It would be exactly the fault I’m supposed to fall for, for those who are in power.
For some time I noticed, that many times Edward Bernay, often being called the inventor of propaganda, is used as example. However, it is always the work he did before WW II even erupted. The time didn’t stand still since then and many new discoveries, how humans are really ticking, have been made since. But no one is talking about that.
Just to name two, who are interesting in this regard:
Stanley Milgram (Milgram experiment)
James B Calhoun (Mouse utopia experiment)
To make it short, very short: You can discuss with reason as much as you want, it doesn’t matter, if the people react to believes instead, your voice goes unheard.
Making people believe is the current form of manipulation, washing them over and over again with the same nonsense. At one point, the people will believe the nonsense. To induce such believes more effectively, you can shock the people too, after a shock people are very receptive. Shocking them first, then spouting the nonsense, welcome to the mass manipulation of our time.
The TV and radio in the house are your worst enemies. Not that the internet would be any better by now. But that isn’t even the worst, even knowing how you get manipulated, doesn’t save you from manipulation.
I’m hopeful that more people in this world will understand what all of this means, while, for sure, the mass of the people won’t.
3rd time posting this …
This is not the droid you are looking for. =)
There is no reason to call out people from any nation, race or religion. We all know that there are more or less reasonable and irresponsible people amongst all of them, no exception there.
You are falling for the usual trap, which I can’t blame you for. Those traps are exactly designed for that and are part of divide et impera, a ritual thousands of years old.
Instead of addressing the issues at hand, people are debating about the people themselves. However, they are not talking about those who are explicitly involved, but about a group of people that is simply ascribed to it, including everyone who has nothing to do with the issues themselves.
That isn’t leading to any result, instead is opening front lines which didn’t exist before and are not linked to the matters at hand, but become associated with them. This just plainly results in the usual blame games, which are disrespectful, while anyone involved believes that their disrespectful actions are justified. At the same time, those involved get away without consequences.
We should remember, that the worst atrocities have been caused by those, who believed in their ideology. It’s no different in Syria or an other conflict like Afghanistan, Libya or Philippines too, only to name a very few linked to Al-Qaeda or Daesh in this case.
Everyone has to ask himself which principles in life they follow. I can only tell for myself which principles they are:
Peace, liberty and solidarity.
With these principles, it is impossible to play the blame game, as you are aware that blaming people won’t yield any results, but will cause the exact opposite.
Ask your self, if you can demand these principles or not. Imagine yourself in a position, having a gun pointing at someone else. And vice versa, being the one who the guns is pointed at, not having a chance to defend yourself. Then you will quickly understand how these principles work and if they can be demanded or not. The only way, to live together with other people around, is defined by it.
Furthermore, I’m on no ones side in this conflict or any other, I’m on the side of humanity. This currently leaves me no choice but to stay on the side of the international law. It is the most reasonable side to stay on, as long as humanity is not able to deliver a better framework to live in. If we go by this, we will quickly realize, that whoever is involved in the Syrian conflict or any other, all of them got caught black handed at one point or the other. No exception.
There is no black and white in this conflict, only many victims falling for those who are wielding their powers. Many shades of grey.
As such, I have to ask, why should I single out one group of people? There is no point to it. It would be exactly the fault I’m supposed to fall for, for those who are in power.
For some time I noticed, that many times Edward Bernay, often being called the inventor of propaganda, is used as example. However, it is always the work he did before WW II even erupted. The time didn’t stand still since then and many new discoveries, how humans are really ticking, have been made since. But no one is talking about that.
Just to name two, who are interesting in this regard:
Stanley Milgram (Milgram experiment)
James B Calhoun (Mouse utopia experiment)
To make it short, very short: You can discuss with reason as much as you want, it doesn’t matter, if the people react to believes instead, your voice goes unheard.
Making people believe is the current form of manipulation, washing them over and over again with the same nonsense. At one point, the people will believe the nonsense. To induce such believes more effectively, you can shock the people too, after a shock people are very receptive. Shocking them first, then spouting the nonsense, welcome to the mass manipulation of our time.
The TV and radio in the house are your worst enemies. Not that the internet would be any better by now. But that isn’t even the worst, even knowing how you get manipulated, doesn’t save you from manipulation.
I’m hopeful that more people in this world will understand what all of this means, while, for sure, the mass of the people won’t.
It seems the moderation (system) doesn’t like my comment at all. Probably I should stick to short blatant nonsense comments than longer comprehensive comments, as the moderation (system) can’t handle complex comments very well.
As such, 4th time posting this …
This is not the droid you are looking for. =)
There is no reason to call out people from any nation, race or religion. We all know that there are more or less reasonable and irresponsible people amongst all of them, no exception there.
You are falling for the usual trap, which I can’t blame you for. Those traps are exactly designed for that and are part of divide et impera, a ritual thousands of years old.
Instead of addressing the issues at hand, people are debating about the people themselves. However, they are not talking about those who are explicitly involved, but about a group of people that is simply ascribed to it, including everyone who has nothing to do with the issues themselves.
That isn’t leading to any result, instead is opening front lines which didn’t exist before and are not linked to the matters at hand, but become associated with them. This just plainly results in the usual blame games, which are disrespectful, while anyone involved believes that their disrespectful actions are justified. At the same time, those involved get away without consequences.
We should remember, that the worst atrocities have been caused by those, who believed in their ideology. It’s no different in Syria or an other conflict like Afghanistan, Libya or Philippines too, only to name a very few linked to Al-Qaeda or Daesh in this case.
Everyone has to ask himself which principles in life they follow. I can only tell for myself which principles they are:
Peace, liberty and solidarity.
With these principles, it is impossible to play the blame game, as you are aware that blaming people won’t yield any results, but will cause the exact opposite.
Ask your self, if you can demand these principles or not. Imagine yourself in a position, having a gun pointing at someone else. And vice versa, being the one who the guns is pointed at, not having a chance to defend yourself. Then you will quickly understand how these principles work and if they can be demanded or not. The only way, to live together with other people around, is defined by it.
Furthermore, I’m on no ones side in this conflict or any other, I’m on the side of humanity. This currently leaves me no choice but to stay on the side of the international law. It is the most reasonable side to stay on, as long as humanity is not able to deliver a better framework to live in. If we go by this, we will quickly realize, that whoever is involved in the Syrian conflict or any other, all of them got caught black handed at one point or the other. No exception.
There is no black and white in this conflict, only many victims falling for those who are wielding their powers. Many shades of grey.
As such, I have to ask, why should I single out one group of people? There is no point to it. It would be exactly the fault I’m supposed to fall for, for those who are in power.
For some time I noticed, that many times Edward Bernay, often being called the inventor of propaganda, is used as example. However, it is always the work he did before WW II even erupted. The time didn’t stand still since then and many new discoveries, how humans are really ticking, have been made since. But no one is talking about that.
Just to name two, who are interesting in this regard:
Stanley Milgram (Milgram experiment)
James B Calhoun (Mouse utopia experiment)
To make it short, very short: You can discuss with reason as much as you want, it doesn’t matter, if the people react to believes instead, your voice goes unheard.
Making people believe is the current form of manipulation, washing them over and over again with the same nonsense. At one point, the people will believe the nonsense. To induce such believes more effectively, you can shock the people too, after a shock people are very receptive. Shocking them first, then spouting the nonsense, welcome to the mass manipulation of our time. The TV and radio in the house are your worst enemies. Not that the internet would be any better by now. But that isn’t even the worst, even knowing how you get manipulated, doesn’t save you from manipulation.
I’m hopeful that more people in this world will understand what all of this means, while, for sure, the mass of the people won’t.
Post N° 7
Obviously, who ever is responsible for the moderation of this comment section, please contact me, I’m fed up with my posts being marked as spam for apparently no reason and no reason given.
If a comment section is offered, then the required moderation has to be offered too, instead of simply deleting comments.
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This is not the droid you are looking for. =)
There is no reason to call out people from any nation, race or religion. We all know that there are more or less reasonable and irresponsible people amongst all of them, no exception there.
You are falling for the usual trap, which I can’t blame you for. Those traps are exactly designed for that and are part of divide et impera, a ritual thousands of years old.
Instead of addressing the issues at hand, people are debating about the people themselves. However, they are not talking about those who are explicitly involved, but about a group of people that is simply ascribed to it, including everyone who has nothing to do with the issues themselves.
That isn’t leading to any result, instead is opening front lines which didn’t exist before and are not linked to the matters at hand, but become associated with them.
This just plainly results in the usual blame games, which are disrespectful, while anyone involved believes that their disrespectful actions are justified. At the same time, those involved get away without consequences.
We should remember, that the worst atrocities have been caused by those, who believed in their ideology. It’s no different in Syria or another conflict like Afghanistan, Libya or Philippines too, only to name a very few linked to Al-Qaeda or Daesh in this case.
Everyone has to ask himself which principles in life they follow. I can only tell for myself which principles they are:
Peace, liberty and solidarity.
With these principles, it is impossible to play the blame game, as you are aware that blaming people won’t yield any results, but will cause the exact opposite.
Ask yourself, if you can demand these principles or not. Imagine yourself in a position, having a gun pointing at someone else. And vice versa, being the one who the guns is pointed at, not having a chance to defend yourself. Then you will quickly understand how these principles work and if they can be demanded or not. The only way, to live together with other people around, is defined by it.
Furthermore, I’m on no ones side in this conflict or any other, I’m on the side of humanity. This currently leaves me no choice but to stay on the side of the international law. It is the most reasonable side to stay on, as long as humanity is not able to deliver a better framework to live in. If we go by this, we will quickly realize, that whoever is involved in the Syrian conflict or any other, all of them got caught black handed at one point or the other. No exception.
There is no black and white in this conflict, only many victims falling for those who are wielding their powers. Many shades of grey.
As such, I have to ask, why should I single out one group of people? There is no point to it. It would be exactly the fault I’m supposed to fall for, for those who are in power.
For some time I noticed, that many times Edward Bernay, often being called the inventor of propaganda, is used as example. However, it is always the work he did before WW II even erupted. The time didn’t stand still since then and many new discoveries, how humans are really ticking, have been made since. But no one is talking about that.
Just to name two, who are interesting in this regard:
Stanley Milgram (Milgram experiment)
James B Calhoun (Mouse utopia experiment)
To make it short, very short: You can discuss with reason as much as you want, it doesn’t matter, if the people react to believes instead, your voice goes unheard.
Making people believe is the current form of manipulation, washing them over and over again with the same nonsense. At one point, the people will believe the nonsense. To induce such believes more effectively, you can shock the people too, after a shock people are very receptive. Shocking them first, then spouting the nonsense, welcome to the mass manipulation of our time. The TV and radio in the house are your worst enemies. Not that the internet would be any better by now. But that isn’t even the worst, even knowing how you get manipulated, doesn’t save you from manipulation.
I’m hopeful that more people in this world will understand what all of this means, while, for sure, the mass of the people won’t.
For some time I noticed, that many times Edward Bernay, often being called the inventor of propaganda, is used as example. However, it is always the work he did before WW II even erupted. The time didn’t stand still since then and many new discoveries, how humans are really ticking, have been made since. But no one is talking about that.
Just to name two, who are interesting in this regard:
Stanley Milgram (Milgram experiment)
James B Calhoun (Mouse utopia experiment)
To make it short, very short: You can discuss with reason as much as you want, it doesn’t matter, if the people react to believes instead, your voice goes unheard.
Making people believe is the current form of manipulation, washing them over and over again with the same nonsense. At one point, the people will believe the nonsense. To induce such believes more effectively, you can shock the people too, after a shock people are very receptive. Shocking them first, then spouting the nonsense, welcome to the mass manipulation of our time. The TV and radio in the house are your worst enemies. Not that the internet would be any better by now. But that isn’t even the worst, even knowing how you get manipulated, doesn’t save you from manipulation.
I’m hopeful that more people in this world will understand what all of this means, while, for sure, the mass of the people won’t.
I had an answer, but it constantly gets marked as spam.
And surprise, to contact anyone of the moderators here is a mystery, allegedly a button that is somewhere to be found, but actually nowhere to be found.
As such, you will have to deal with no answer on this, as the moderation (system) is not able to deal with comprehensive and thought through answers.
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americans asked iraqi kurds to shoft the plebiscit about free kurdistan
Good news if true , where did you hear it ?
Yes, it is very interesting development.
Here is the link:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/world/middleeast/iraq-kurds-independence-mattis-barzani-tillerson.html?mcubz=0
Poor Kurds, being used abused muppets. At the moment they are not useful anymore, they are done, falling down like a hot potato.