An FGM-148 Javelin Portable Anti-Tank Missile is fired during an exercise May 14, 2017 by members of the U.S. Army in Wadi Shadiya, Jordan.
US President Donald Trump is expected to announce his approval of a plan to sell anti-tank missiles to the Ukrainian regime, ABC News reported citing “four State Department sources”.
“If the president formally signs off, the plan will be presented to Congress for a 30-day review period where it would need to be approved before the State Department can implement it.
The sale of anti-tank missiles, which could possibly include the U.S.-made Javelin system, provoked a strong reaction from Russia on Saturday, saying it “crossed the line,” and could threaten to derail Trump’s calls for better relations with Moscow.
The total defense package of $47 million includes the sale of 210 anti-tank missiles and 35 launchers. Additional supplies will need to be purchased, according to a senior State Department official,” ABC News’ article says.
The move would mark a major escalation in lethal US military support to the Poroshenko regime battling forces the Donetsk and Logansk People’s Republics in eastern Ukraine.
On December 22, the US State Department announced that the US will provide the Ukrainain regime with “enhanced defensive capabilities”. However, the Department of State spokesperson Heather Nauert provided no details what kind of “enhanced” weapons the US is going to supply to the Ukrainian regime. The announcement followed an official confirmation that the Trump administration had authorized lethal weapons supplies to Kiev.
I believe,that Russian Federation as revenge will delivery rocket IGLA to Taliban,opposite USA and Nato planes and helicopters in Afganistan.
I think the russians will be far more picky about who they aid, in this regard.
True. Also they are not big on revenge.
For at least two reasons.
1: They cannot afford such a luxury.
2: They have a much LONGER history than the puerile U.S. regime.
wrong! have you ever thought that Russians will never fight their brothers.
I’m wrong about… what..?
Just as well trump is not trying to fuel war. Has he applied for the Nobel Peace Prize yet?
He may try.
https://youtu.be/g-ZyHIhPmw0
israel is the main ennemy for Americans and USA. Americans are becoming Palestinians.
Indeed. There are no-go zones in New York and New Jersey for Gentiles and state governments condone it.
In my opinion, the futur of Americans is very bad. They will be invaded by sunnis and ruled by jews.
Thus, I think that israelis have access to very valuable informations that they are very likely to share with Russia or China.
Americans are screwed up.
Lmao.
Compared to what.
Excellent video, thanks.
There’s still a chances that they’d sell it to black market and down to CIA hands then to ISIS again.
The Ukrainians military industrial complexes supposedly capable to produce something on the level of man portable anti tank guided missile and such low level military aid shouldn’t really change the status quo though. What’s really needed for Ukrainian army is the air defense, precision guided munitions and military advisors/training. All of those aid would make a big headlines.
Well i could be wrong.
You didn’t hear yet about NATO advisors/training in Ukraine? It’s going on for long time now.
Wrong. He has added soldiers in Syria and says they will stay as long as needed. Except the US is Illegally in Syria in violation of UN law. Providing Rockets insures increased violence against Donbass civilians. And Moving the embassy to Jeruselem. He threatens Iran will military action, when Iran is an ally of Russia.Those add up to fomenting Armageddon.
Therefore it’s only fair that the russians, chinese and others start arming all U.S. opponents, likewise, right?
WWIII for Xmas 2018, everyone.
No. I want to cook the turkey myself.
Strike at the root cause by arming the Palestinians.
Let make tit-for-tat and give some weapon to Taliban.
Gabriel, there’s a difference between west and Russia. We actively oppose idea of using “irregular armed forces” i.e. taliban, daesh, al queda to solve political problems. Main point is to make sure that DNR and LNR can withstand Ukro nazi attack if nazi go crazy. This without Russia openly getting involved with regular forces in order to save the locals if banderites manage to brake through.
Russia regularly uses irregular forces, but that is not the issue or the difference. The difference is that various clowns in the CIA are constantly doing things to annoy the Russians.
Mr. Black, when I said irregular forces I explicitly wrote – daesh, taliban, al queda. Can you give us proven examples where Russia is using jiihadist forces?
In Afghanistan, Russian forces work with Taliban. For years the Russians worked with groups like the northern alliance. Russians worked with various Chechen criminal terror networks that were closely linked to al Qaeda until one of them agreed to suit up for the Russian team but it continues to support groups, mostly in foreign countries, that are composed of jihadists, for political reasons. In syria, Russian forces are active with hezbollah, and various iranian quds forces formations(terror groups). I know you are smarter than your allegation which means you are either being willfully blind or are simply lying.
Also it is widely speculated, though not proven that agreements with the SDF, and remaining ISIS pockets that fight for the SAA were negotiated by the Russians. It is difficult to discuss this information authoritatively because neither one of us has the security credentials to support our allegation with reports. Russia however has a history with islamic terror organizations going back to the early days of the soviet union. Russia has supported various islamic terror organization in europe and of course the PLO. the list of Russian support for Islamic terror groups is extensive.
Honestly… Iwould not even bother answering this :) You have it all messed up in your head – deliberately or not… That I don’t know.
Seems like a bullshit answer. Which of my points do you deny. Does russia not support taliban with arms in afghanistan? Seems like a chicken shit dodge rather than an actual factual response.
Later.
I will wait not holding my breath.
Another Syrian, eventually Ukraine will be destroyed and broken up between the planned ISIS extremists being imported, Ukrainians and US business interests, Ukraine should kick the US out now before it escalates which has been the plan all along. The Recent history of the US aggression should be noted that they always have the policy if they don’t get what they want they utterly destroy it. The US planned and executed a violent coup in Ukraine it is documented http://humansarefree.com/2014/03/the-us-directed-ukraine-coup-exposes.html
HISTORY = Bush Preemptive Strike Doctrine is geared to invade countries making it look like humanitarian activity while encircling any adversary while stealing everything that is not nailed down in the toppled countries, radiation weapon poisoning of the civilian population is considered business as usual :
RADIATION BPOMBING OF IRAQ
http://www.rense.com/general66/equals.htm
Radiation Bombing Serbia
http://www.rense.com/general96/serbia.html
Radiation Bombing of Syria
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-19/cancer-war-us-admits-using-radioactive-munitions-syria
the Bush Premptive Strike Policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine
must be viewed as the culprit of many of the United States problems the nation faces today including the issues and
sanctions regarding Russia. The Bush doctrine is by law enables a US Government Committee to determine whether any country
is a potential threat to the United States, this policy was used to invade or run a coup in the following countries:
IRAQ 2003-11 Troops, naval, bombing, missiles Saddam regime toppled in Baghdad. More than 250,000 U.S. personnel
participate in invasion. US and UK forces occupy country and battle Sunni and Shi’ite insurgencies. More than 160,000 troops
and numerous private contractors carry out occupation and build large permanent bases.
LIBERIA 2003 Troops Brief involvement in peacekeeping force as rebels drove out leader.
HAITI 2004-05 Troops, naval Marines & Army land after right-wing rebels oust elected President Aristide, who was advised
to leave by Washington.
PAKISTAN 2005-? Missiles, bombing, covert operation CIA missile and air strikes and Special Forces raids on
alleged Al Qaeda and Taliban refuge villages kill multiple civilians. Drone attacks also on Pakistani Mehsud network.
SOMALIA 2006-? Missiles, naval, troops, command operation Special Forces advise Ethiopian invasion that topples
Islamist government; AC-130 strikes, Cruise missile attacks and helicopter raids against Islamist rebels; naval blockade
against “pirates” and insurgents.
SYRIA 2008 Troops Special Forces in helicopter raid 5 miles from Iraq kill 8 Syrian civilians
YEMEN 2009-? Missiles, command operation Cruise missile attack on Al Qaeda kills 49 civilians; Yemeni military
assaults on rebels
LIBYA 2011-? Bombing, missiles, troops, command operation NATO coordinates air strikes and missile attacks against
Qaddafi government during uprising by rebel army. Periodic Special Forces raids against Islamist insurgents.
IRAQ 2014-? Bombing, missiles, troops, command operation
Air strikes and Special Forces intervene against Islamic State insurgents; training Iraqi and Kurdish troops.
SYRIA 2014-? Bombing, missiles, troops, command operation
Air strikes and Special Forces intervene against Islamic State insurgents; training other Syrian insurgents. Missile strikes
against Syrian military begin April 2017.
Ukraine: United States operation launched a violent coup against the leader, today heavy arms are being shipped in by the
United States to attack Ukrainians who disagree with the regime installed by the United States.
If I am Putin I am providing Novorossiya with whatever they need not only to crush a new Kiev offensive but a NATO invasion as well. The Western nations have no stomach for major casualties.
Remember how they freaked at the Debaltsevo cauldron? They hired guns were trapped in there and it brought them to the table in Minsk.
he’s right, it were ukrainians that died at debaltsevo, not westerners – besides a certain number of mercenaries
The all pervasive hubris that the Ukrainian troops will likely feel being in possession of the Javelin anti tank missiles may prompt them to decisive action against Novorussia. Which may result – or so I hope- into another Ilovaisk or Debaltesvo experince for the Ukranians and hopefully some more territorial gains for Novorussia troops.
It would be nice if Novorossia troops could use any Ukrainian attack to recapture the whole Donetsk Oblast, with Kramatorsk, Mariopol and Sloviansk included.
the javelin missile will change nothing at all.
in fact, they would need training with it, and yet again, it adds nothing to weapon systems already deployed, which are perfectly capable to deal with tanks in the region.
In addition, I don’t believe the system can be used against, for example, fortifications; with beam riders you can aim at windows and fissures and put a thermobaric atgm inside them. With the javelin lockon system, you can’t, the advantage is against fast moving targets with thermal signature.
if the ukrainians try some move they’ll discover soon enough
This looks like a threat but isn’t. Donbass and Russia can just out a bounty out for fresh launchers and missiles. They will collect 80% of them from poor, wasted Ukies in exchange for money.
(I’m a problem solver….)
Good idea, it would be cost efficient to buy the 35 launchers first.
And then the missiles would have a much lower value on the black market. :)
it’s just made to exacerbate the situation because the US hasn’t made a coup in Ukraine to make peace, it did it for the absolute contrary.
I will allow me to add, that USA and others did not expect Ukraine what that much self infected.
Hahaha, buy them and then give them to the Houthis or Hezbollah. :’)
As usually with this sort of escalation, Moscow will provide similar or more powerful weapons to the resistance. At the end of the day, weapons will not be decisive, but the fighters’ resolution. And the Donbass defenders have a lot of it, because they are standing for their homes and freedom.
And cannot even provide proper health care in a most corrupt regime!
The Deep State just pours fuel on this fire, knowing they have advisors around Putin who keep him from invading Ukraine and ending the murderous farce.
The ONLY solution for Ukraine is to have the nation split into two NEW nations along ethnic borders. Anything else is an increasing slaughterhouse for Ukrainians on all sides- and misery for ordinary Ukrainian families.
Putin, at the stroke of a pen, could prevent Ukraine from becoming another Syria- but Putin just won’t play the Great Game. Instead, Putin will give just enough assistance to the fighters of novorussia to keep the NATO nazis at bay (until the NEXT, more bloody encounter). Smart East Ukrainians have already migrated to Russia proper. The rest are but cannon fodder in Putin’s limp-wristed plays.
Obviously the evil is not Putin’s fault- but the refusal to properly confront this evil most decidely is.
Since Putin made a bold move he simply could not avoid, with the retaking of Crimea, the Deep State has no final victory condition in the region. They just want to make Russian people hurt as badly as possible- and expose Putin’s weakness via his need to DITHER and avoidance of decisive action.
Would the USA allow such nonsense on its borders? Well, recall a little thing known as the Cuban Missile Crisis?
A bully will torment a peson capable of standing up to or defeating the bully, if the bully is certain a psychological weakness will cause this person not to strike back. Bullying is a game of nerves just as much as power. The West is bullying Russia, as everyone here knows. And Putin sucks up to the West in response- looking spineless. See how Putin voted to punish ordinary Humans in N Korea at the UNSC a day back cos Trump demanded he do so? Spineless!
Putin said recently that Russia won’t be the world’s policeman. He is simply creating a stalemate so the US drowns itself. Let Ukraine try to invade Donbass….it will fail. The rebels are well trained and well armed. Any invasion will play into their hands. As for provocations….that will continue unfortunately. All they can do is highlight this for the world and fire back based on intelligence.
“See how Putin voted to punish ordinary Humans in N Korea at the UNSC a day back cos Trump demanded he do so? Spineless!”
Do you get a 5 cent bonus on every comment in which you insert this?
now see how things will involute and go even more south for Ukraine.
i’d hope that the people would finally understand what has been forced into them, yet i’m skeptical.
Darn… they (large mass of them) are running after and listening to Saakashvili! Can you imagine sane persone listening to that clown (wanted in his own country) and now saying to them – I’m now Ukrainian :) That’s funny but… darn! How could they degrade so much…
perhaps they are all secretly necktie-eaters.
What’s nectie eater? I know whats necktie, but is that some frase?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyNocJFUloA
Good one:What has been forced to them. They have no idea into what kind of Hwll they’re marching straight away.
EU cares about them as for roaches.
I meant the US.
The EU may not care about them, but the US actually planned to make their territory the first theater of WW3, and basically one of the places where lots of nukes would fall.
The coup made by Nuland is only to one mean: to utilize the Ukrainian people in anti-Russian activities.
Which in the end is what every non-jewish nation can expect from the cabals if they decide to give away their independence like Ukraine did.
In these cabals vision, goyims exist only to fulfill the plans of the “chosen”, they aren’t any different from cattle. If, for the likes of Nuland and Soros, sacrificing the entire population of Ukraine will serve the objective to deal a blow to Russia, they would do it without any doubt or second-thought.
Thats ´not correct. But things were not as clean and just low as hoped.
What ever happened to supporting the legitimate government, huh Southfront?
Who are you calling legitimate government? That Ukro hunta that came to power after bloody coupe?
That’s right, after bloody coup.
Say, here in Bosnia everyone is against government decisions, it’s like in Chile, man. But whenever people gets together, USA and EU uses their nationalists puppets to, thru the biased news throw people in even worst living nightmare, and put the pressure on human psyche, using ‘War psyhosis’ special War methods. This situation has been seen in Iran, Korea, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. but one day it will be over and over forever.
https://wearswar.wordpress.com/
USA foreign policy does not depend on the president in turn (even if stupid people give him a Nobel price) .
absolutely.
The US president is given some liberty in home-policies, as long as his ideas don’t conflict with the world domination plan.
For the rest, he’s just there to put his face and take blame, it’s been like this at least since the end of WW2.
Don’t forget what Eisenhower stated when he was about to exit office.
‘Ukrainian regime’ how that sounds cool!
210 missiles and 35 launchers, hahahahahaha, that’s funny, I mean realy funny!
USA/NATO are pushing for human depopulation.Line or fence their will jump or erase.Best partners to bullshit is Russia and China.USA will continue arming Russia and China enemies in Taiwan, Georgia, Ukraine,Syria and India.
Then USA will turn around and ask it’s unwanted partners Russia and China to pressure North Korea and Iran which both USA garbage trailers will do to be in Trumps good books (White House).
Saudi Arabia Prince will be instruct to arrest felbow wealthy monarch and rob them from their money and CIA will torture them.Hariri will be force to spread false lies.Currently Hariri doesn’t have money he will revive on Lebanon stolen state funds.Saudi will also be presurise to falsely accuses Iran,Qatar to get all Qatar money.After blind Saudi Sunni monarch own destruction USA and Israel will rule.
Humanitarian aid US style.
How are you going to pay.. Cash, Card or Blood of your countrymen.
Feed the Machine!
You are over reacting. At 1ST any help is too much. But don’t forget ISIS & FSA had these in Syria . Remember how ineffective they were against Russian even Older Tanks. It’s an empty gesture to get Neocons to vote for Taxcuts & OBAMACARE Defunding !!!
No I don’t believe I’am over reacting, you have to look at not at the weapon system, but the fact that lethal weapons are now available to Ukraine. This development also changes the dynamic on the ground Tactics. Also what other systems will be up for sale to Ukraine,
The US is brazen enough, to start pumping/ pimping material, all designed to initiate a response from Russia. Ukraine is a black hole for Russia,
I voted for Trump specifically because he ran in opposition to this kind of neocon madness. Am I surprised that he surrendered to the Cabal? No…I am not surprised. From the moment he was elected my cynicism kicked in. I said to myself the Cabal will either co-opt him or kill him. One thing is for sure democracy in America is dead, the Republic is dead, the Constitution is dead. There’s no reason to vote amymore. The ballot is worthless to the average American. Now it’s time for the bullet.
Early on I felt the same way. If you look deep enough , you’ll see there’s a lot at play here. Trump made a deal with Neocons to get Tax-cuts/defund Obamacare passed. Neocons got a WEAK deal. A few Rifles & 35 launchers ? Remember we don’t know which missiles & if any is true. TRUMP hates Poroshenko/Ukraine. There’s far more to it all. Even if they got our best Javelin, they proved useless in Syria , except on the oldest of tanks(1950s & 1960s) . Everything POTUS does is calculated. Stay patient. Do you really think the Toothless “Symbolic” jurusalem gesture really helped Israel ?? It’s a TROJAN HORSE ! It united MOST if not ALL the Arabs/Muslims against them. That is Israel’s WORST nightmare. That’s the LAST thing they wanted to do. Trump gave them what they so badly WANTED. It will be their undoing. As for NKPR, they are stooges of CHINA/DEEPSTATE. Just as Clinton/DEEPSTATE gave China advanced NUKES & satellite tech , They have Now done the same for NKPR. Strange how in 2-3 yrs they advanced 30 yrs ??? Same as China had. But China didn’t give it to them. DEEPSTATES last chance to start WW3. Because Putin won’t take DEEPSTATE/NATO’s Bait.
“Even if they got our best Javelin, they proved useless in Syria , except on the oldest of tanks(1950s & 1960s)”
There is very little evidence of Javelin use in Syria:
https://southfront.org/javelin-anti-tank-missiles-in-syria/
or see https://medium.com/@badly_xeroxed/common-atgms-in-the-syrian-civil-war-6395ea4305ec “Western Special Forces embedded with the YPG [Syrian PKK affiliate]
using a FGM-148 Javelin in Northern Syria, the only known use of
this weapon”
costly weapons add no effectiveness to a given force, if they aren’t supported by according tactics and organization.
The ukrainian army is very far from having anything similar to doctrine and training that could only vaguely reminisce of the US Army and USMC units for which the javelin was made at first.
notice how the system is employed mostly by US armed forces (im not sure abt uk) while all the other NATO members have retained their beam riders.
Javelin’s are made by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin – these companies have enormous political lobbying power in US today – due to perpetual US ‘war on terror’ – and they always want to boost exports and capture foreign military markets.
Why should this be a problem? Isn’t it part of SF’s narrative to paint Ukraine as a failed state run by incompetent chimps more busy lining their own pockets? In which case Ukranian troops will be more likely to hit their own tanks. Or sell them on the black market. Unless……, something truly stupid happens in those two socalled People’s Republics, then suddenly the Ukraine becomes like Keyser Soze. Or in this case a few hundred ATGW’s becomes an existential threat. Make up your mind, SF.
Dont worry about that, with a box of vodka and cigarette, 10 launcher and 50 missiles can be change to another hand in a second, russia, china, and iran will share technology together and make a better one, happy ending for other parties
It would be great if Syria could deliver a huge quantity of the same they captured from the US Proxy’s to Donetsk and Lugansk Defense Forces in order to giving them the same sauce to dip !
Selling defensive weapons to the Ukraine is a wonderful idea.
Sure, Ukraine government is not perfect, but Russian’s government is worse, not to speak of the sectarian pseudorussians that shot the MH17 out of the sky.
I hope they burn in hell.
you can hope all you want, in the end the queue to hell is led by people inhabiting the other side of the world.
Less one forget, Ukraine has for many years had a very robust military armaments industry, and only just recently has Russias military quit being supplied by Those industries.
Not to be forgotten is that Ukraine for years was first a Soviet allied, almost on an equal footing with Russia, and to this day not all ex-Soviet nuclear weapons been accounted for.
US and Ukraine/Russia under payment by US did not actually destroy old warheads and middle bodies but dumped them In deep caverns and merely concerted over entrances, and this was done mainly in Ukraine and Russian Republics of Central Asia.
So as to conventional weaponry, they have airport and older air defensive capabilities, helos are very susceptable, producing capable armored vehicles, and but lacking high tech add ons.
By numbers of anti tank, and other advanced US small arms of NATO SPEC ammo, it appears Ukraine military is just arming a very massive and decisive first strike by no more than 5000 hard core assets, combined with the usual dumb as rock MAINLINE cannon fodder as shock troops.
UKRAINE faces far less land mass to attack, and a non disciplined or well trained citizen malitia, than even half added Syrian Tiger forces had to contend with.
I look for an elite fast moving strike force with both air and ground forces capable of turning either areas of resistance into parking lots for junk yards.