Ukraine-Turkey Cooperation and Offensive Preparations

Ukraine-Turkey Cooperation and Offensive Preparations

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Large Ukrainian force against the pro-Russians

Information about the Turkish presence in Ukraine has been widely circulated for a long time, now Russian social networks claim that this presence was widely expanded and may become a trigger for the developments in Eastern Ukraine.

Russian sources report the imminent presence of Turkish commandos, who will train their Ukrainian counterparts to conduct military operations in populated areas in the so-called civil war, which is one of the most specialized and “difficult” chapters of modern warfare.

Sources cite Turkish-Ukrainian defense co-operation, stressing that Turks and Ukrainians already have close ties in many other areas, such as the BAYRAKTAR unmanned aerial vehicle supply, for example.

“At the end of May this year, Turkish military experts will arrive in Ukraine to conduct a series of trainings for Ukrainian military personnel on conducting Close Quarter Battle (CQB) in urban areas by mid-July.” – said Katehon center, citing Svarschiki telegram account.

It is worth noting that the Ukrainian generals were very interested in the experience of the Turkish army gained during the war in Nagorno-Karabakh.

“Among the Turkish officers, there will be participants in the recent 44-day war in Nagorno-Karabakh,” say Russian sources, and that tells us a lot.

It is estimated that the Turks will send as trainers to the Ukrainians its Special Forces personnel with extensive military experience in southern Turkey and Syria, while they will also send officers with experience from the war between the Azerbaijani and Armenians.

InfoBRICS: Turkey has become the main instigator of a possible war between Ukraine and Russia

The InfoBrics portal states that Ankara does not recognize the Russian status of Crimea, calling the events in 2014 “illegal annexation of Crimea”. At the same time, the Turkish side is establishing important military-technical cooperation with Kiev. So, on March 14th, military cargo from Turkey was delivered to Ukraine by at least two planes.

It is noted that Ankara and Kiev were gradually creating an alliance, Turkey has become the main instigator of Ukraine’s war against the Russian Federation. The InfoBrics publication, cited by Reporter, predicts that Ukraine, with Turkey’s support, may launch a new offensive against the pro-Russian-oriented republics of Donbass .

As it was reported earlier this week, Kiev expert Oleg Zhdanov predicted “another thrashing” this spring in the conflict zone in Donbass.

Ukraine-Turkey Cooperation and Offensive Preparations

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Turkish officers are definitely involved in any plans of the Ukrainian General Staff for Donetsk and Crimea, while there is also an exchange of military information.

The presence of Turkish advisers, i.e. officers in Ukraine under the pretext of BAYRAKTAR and their involvement in staff plans goes “package” with military information.

This attitude has angered the Kremlin, especially the Russian military leadership, which, along with the conservative faction, is calling on Putin to take action, while at the same time appearing in the Russian press articles talking about the next Russian president.

Ukraine-Turkey Cooperation and Offensive Preparations

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The continuous transfer of Ukrainian forces to the border with the pro-Russians

Despite the calm, the Ukrainian armed forces continue to transport military equipment to Donetsk.

A Russian news source (Avia.pro) reports that the Ukrainian armed forces continue to transport armored vehicles and various weapons to Donetsk, indicating that the military operation against the Russian-speakers is still in preparation.

According to the latest information, in recent days, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have transferred to the line of contact 8 additional anti-aircraft missile systems, 26 tanks and other heavy weapons intended for large-scale military operation in the region.

Ukrainian offensive preparations

All armored vehicles of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as other weapons, were transported to Donetsk by train.

According to updated information, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have in the area about 90000 soldiers, 450 tanks and 230 artillery systems (self-propelled and trailer) as well as surface-to-surface missiles.

These movements of the Ukrainians are clear indications of the coming military operations, probably in summer, a period that  has all the conditions  for possible hostilities, according to the Ukrainian side, while the Ukrainian army is currently … preparing.

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Proud Hindu

Normal country response : I will fight my enemy
Russian (Putin’s) response : I will commit business and partnership with my enemies.

Trap Is Not Gay

Go back to Israel, shill.

Russia and China are not the USA.

George Soros was banned from Russia.

Marcel

Maybe, but you’re forgetting both Russia and China love Jews.
Just like Trump, he was bashed by Soros propaganda but still shills for Zionists.

Trap Is Not Gay

No, they don’t.

YOU are a paid shill.

Marcel

lmao yes they do, everybody wants Israel as an ally because Jews control the world economy, plus Russia is highly influenced by Jewish oligarchs.

Trap Is Not Gay

No, never happened.

JIMI JAMES

Erdogan defended putin,shot biden to pieces too,so whats you next exzcuse(brown nazi)

Clarence Spangle

Евреи нечистые бесы, как турки . . . мудак.

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Voldemort

somethings seems to be cooking

Trap Is Not Gay

I told you about Turkey…

Didn’t I?

If someone pretends that “he doesn’t know” about Jews or “he has other problems”, you know that he sold out himself.

klove and light

Erdogan is a fake Muslim that’s been planted to sow chaos into Russia
spot on!!!

so why are u silly brainwashed still pretending that the agreements between erdogan and putin are great in syria.

Just a madman who has lost all his senses or a treacherous zionist pig could come to the conclusion that an invasion by turkish forces of syrian land would benefit the legitimate government of assad.

putin you treacherous zionist pig.

JIMI JAMES

Lies don’t cut it,nor any cia ranting on only wishfull thinking,like as if the lgbtq can offer turkey more than russia can,fkn derr dumbassed insolent femoinazi rant:
Your the pig ungodly fascist,by god I will defend whom deserves it,thats a duty,not fanatical soros/lgbtq ideology fkfests,not once you ever blamed lgbtq cia/eu-epp?
You don’t know the meaning of treachery even if you been that unto your own self!

No future in fascism,nor the lgbtq,nor soros/cia ideologys,yous will be crushed! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cebacc8009927d74e165a5465615d5cd826ce211e01948ea571082555e757875.jpg

Fekn zionist/lgbtq pigs!

JIMI JAMES

Cia wisfull thinking,Putin has over 100,000 Good and ready chechnyans whom would gladly
fight against the zionist pigs of the goys of soros/cia incests and co’s as for the low iq rants
trying to frame heterosexuals,I’m afraid it still has yet to understand what sex it will be?

erwin vercauteren

Erdogan will not step on Putin his toes because he knows what happens when he does and not comply with original agreements just watch what happened in Syria and the destruction of his proxies and his Son’s trafficking of the oil Putin has Erdogan on a leash like a good dog should , he can dream and hope, but he will not do anything that can make him lose the trust of China Russia and Iran with the Belt road and Silk Road initiative and the new north arctic seaway there is too much gain and a being part of a powerful geostrategic alternative to the classic Suez and Panama Canal and off course the gas and oilfields all this makes Erdogan very docile and cautious

Blas de Lezo

Like Israel Erdougan is punching above his weight.

klove and light

LOLOLOL i wonder what the excuse for the zionist brainwashed putin lovers is this time….

told u so…. moslembrotherhood is british/zionist creation…..and just like in syria…..they are playing for the british zionist agenda…… way to go treacherous zionist pig putin.

JIMI JAMES

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No brainer,nervy are we,get off the fkn drugs,deadset they may kill you:

viktor ziv

U must be sleeping close to strong EM field, mate. When there is power grid off, You talk sane, when there is power on, You talk insane. Migrate mate, ASAP!

cechas vodobenikov

dimwit CIA gomik upset boyfriend can’t afford lube

verner

erdogan won’t engage in any warlike actions against russia, covert maybe in the hope that it will make his syrian days a bit better. in that he is mistaken and he will soon see that syria is and was a mistake and that the best he can do is to focus, laser-focus his ambitions on the kurds and kick them right back to where they set out from – as tenants in the borderland and in that he will have help from syria and iran and iraq naturally. the true losers will be jews but since they are almost red listed and soon to be on the list of extinct species, no big worries, in syria, in turkey, in iraq and in iran they will cheer and jump with joy.

viktor ziv

Have a strange feeling that Russian flag will be over Blue Mosque in Istanbul. Turks had their chance taking Vienna few centuries ago with elite janissaries (southern Slavs – “blood tribute”) but instead they took gold as payoff for not entering Vienna. Now, again world is in the situation where Russians will play role in smashing Turks again-again-and over again. When was the last time Turks won the battle against Russia? Hmmm, never… As a matter of a fact, Russian involvement back then was beginning of the decline of Ottoman empire. NEVER POKE A BEAR!!! Simple rule!!! But nations that do not know their history have tendency to repeat it! I’d say the battle for Poltava in UA will be THE one that would show to world never POKE AN OVER 1000 YEARS OLD BEAR!
Leave Russians BE!

HiaNd

“Have a strange feeling that Russian flag will be over Blue Mosque in Istanbul.”
Glad it wasn’t me who said that, being labeled of being “would be Russian”… as it is…..

Your comment is contradictory ! You keep repeating that Turk arse has been handed to the Turks by Russians on many occasions…
..and than you go “Never poke a bear” as if Turks will listen this time?!?
It isn’t that they don’t know their own History….
The problem is that they have that in their blood…. itching need…..Russian’s kicking their arse and very hard every hundred years or so.

Clarence Spangle

Я рыцарь Орден Дракона, убийца турок.

verner

not bad and then Russia could close the bosporous for vessels from the disunited states of insufferable fools, from uk, from france and in particular vessels from norway (given the sheer stupidity emanating from the norwegian nato-head).

Raptar Driver

This is more wishful thinking then anything and trust me I wish this too.

Dick Von Dast'Ard

Radio Free Europe, AFP and Reuters, as well as “Right Sector” fighters have arrived at Donbas.
BucKle up!

HiaNd

TU-144………………and…………..it is not…. TU-160 you know …if that was your intention?

HiaNd

GREAT news !!
Sincerely hope that nobody of the Ukrainian Nazi is missing…
Time for their extermination is very close!

Me&Myself None

Be prepared for another bunch of excuse-laden diatribes by the Russians to why they won’t come to the rescue of the brave fighters of Eastern Ukraine.

Mike Fink

I don’t trust the Russian leadership at all, they are all too mad after USD.
No sane Nation would sell open enemies military tech.

johnny rotten

Nazis, gays, Jews, Turks, the losers all fight together, it seems a little unlikely to me.

Rhodium 10

Soros armed forces…

Clarence Spangle

Евреи нечистые бесы, как турки… Еврейские банкиры наводнили Европу с мусульманами и замусорили америку мусором из третьего мира.

HiaNd

The moment Ukraine attacks, they will cease to exist as country….

Russian response will be so powerful, that all NATO will shit their pants collectively.

Mike Fink

The Ukrainians have repeatedly attacked Russian soil and murdered Russian civilians in Russian and what response has there been?

HiaNd

That is simply not true.
No point to argue on false accusation.
There were no attacks on Russian soil with Russian civilian victims.
BUT, at the moment, there are 400 000 registered Russians in Donbass = Ukrainian people from Donbass ethnic Russians who took Russian citizenship recently.
In the case of massive attack of Ukrainian army on Donbass, Russian army will intervene to defend Russian citizens to fulfill their obligation according to Russian law .

Clarence Spangle
Raptar Driver

So you say.
Under Putin I don’t think Russia will do anything other than moan about how illegal it was.

Raptar Driver

Do you know the word Bulgar for centuries was considered an insult?
It meant something like disorder.

The Objective

You’re so right. We’ll see then very soon maybe.
I’ll remind you of this very comment God willing.

HiaNd

Yes please do remind me…
But I do not pretend to know when that Russian reaction will be… weather the 1st. day or few days after unilateral Ukrainian aggression…
One thing is sure; There will be Russian military reaction this time, no doubt.

Marcel

Its likely Russia will invade Ukraine this year, Putin is getting old and his imperialist fantasies need to be realized, not that both sides aren’t owned by Jews anyway.

HiaNd

I don’t think Russia would invade entire Ukraine under any circumstances.
I do hope that they will invade all South-East of Ukraine to Transnistria…
Putin doesn’t have “imperialist fantasies”.
His biggest “imperialist fantasy” is to bring back 40-50 million ethnic Russians that are dispersed in surrounding ex-Soviet republics because of the communist heritage.
To have them back as population, not as territory..

John Brown

The zio nazis want to attack before Nord stream 2 is finished and provoke Russia to defeat Ukraine so Nord 2 will never be finished. This is a battle for who will control Germany not Ukraine.

HiaNd

Yes “Nord stream 2” also, but not only Nord stream.
Main reason is US-NATO project to create permanent open wound through endless proxy war there.
To drain all Russian forces and cut completely all Russian influence and any kind of diplomatic or any other contacts in EU-rope that Russia has.
If Ukraine makes massive attack, Russia will react by force to defend Russian citizens in Donbass – Ukraine, while western propaganda will try to depict Russia as aggressor.
Just like they did try in Georgia but didn’t have successes since it was obvious that Georgia was aggressor.

Marcel

Zio nazis is an oxymoron.

John Brown

Go and look up the Havara Nazi ZIO alliance how they created Israel etc. they were allies then against Russia in world war 2 as they are alies now in Ukraine against Russia. Nazi Zio army and Zio government

Marcel

That wasn’t a military alliance, Nazis simply agreed to Havara to oust a number of Jews from Germany to Palestine. Speaking of Russia, the mainstream Zionist entity backed the creation of the Soviet union back in 1917 and later became their biggest weapon against Germany. Modern Russia however is by enlarge controlled by Jewish oligarchs and has good relations with Israel.
Ukraine/Russia is more of a clash of interests between East and West which both serve the same master (the money holder)
The only country today that is a threat to Zionism is Iran.

John Brown

That wasn’t a military alliance,

Yes it was over 150k nazi Jews in the nazi army. This is bigger then the entire UK armed forces today.

Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
“full Jews” SERVED IN THE GERMAN MILITARY WITH ADOLF HITLER’S
KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish
soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded German’s highest military honor, the
Knight’s Cross. One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident
of Norther Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and practiced his
religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war. One of the Jewish field
marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of
Mitch’s Jewish identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.

In one of the famous anecdotes of
the time, Goering falsified Milch’s birth record and when met with protests
about having a Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, “I decide
who is a Jew and who is an Aryan.”

Rigg’s research also shed light on
stories surrounding the rescue by German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand
rabbi of that time, who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939. Joseph
Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to Germany from the
United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German officer Rigg has identified
as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.

Two field marshals, (God
knows how many Jews they killed) Fifteen generals, (God knows how many Jews
they killed) Two full generals, (God knows how many Jews they killed) Eight
lieutenant generals, (God knows how many Jews they killed) Five major generals,
“commanding up to 100,000 troops In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in
the Nazi army were awarded Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s
Cross. One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of northern
Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and practiced his religion
within the Wehrmacht throughout the war. One of the Jewish field marshals was
Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch’s
Jewish identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
(Ordmmngdienst) AND CONCENTRATION CAMP GUARDS (kapos).

“Hitler’s
Jewish Soldiers” is Price’s first Holocaust-related work. The idea for the
film was triggered by a book published in 2002 by a young historian, Bryan Mark
Rigg: “Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers: The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and
Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military.” After reading a book review
in The New York Times, Price’s friend Ilan Seidner told him, “We should do
a film about it.”

Werner Goldberg, for example a picture of Goldberg in
uniform appeared in a Nazi recruitment advertisement in 1939 depicting
“The Ideal German Soldier.”

Arno Spitz, a German paratroop officer who was awarded three
Iron Crosses for bravery, When captured by American troops at the end of the
war, however, he quickly informed them that his Jewish father had fled to the
U.S. and settled in Los Angeles. “You can’t take me prisoner, my father is
an American Jew,” he argued. “This is the first time my Jewish
ancestry came into play,” he says in the film

It turns out, for example, that the definition of
“Aryan” and “Jew” was not so rigid. The film notes that
some well-placed Mischlinge received “German blood certificates”
declaring them to be “Aryan.”

In any fair court that
actually listened to real evidence (from sources such as the Israel Times, the
Jerusalem Post etc.) it is very easy to prove the Nazi racist supremacist
Jewish alliance and that it was mostly the Nazi Jewish army that killed Jews as
part of that alliance, under the orders of the Rothschild’s, killed Jews unless
said Jews moved to Palestine. The Rothschild banks even seized the financial
assets of Jews in Swiss banks which is also well documented, of German Jews
etc. killed in the holocaust for refusing to go to Palestine.

To put the size of Hitlers massive,
huge, Jewish Nazi army in context, the size of the entire British Armed Forces
– by numbers today is around 144,000 trained active personnel. Comprising
British Army, Royal Navy, Royal Marines and the Royal Air Force – the Armed
Forces is a huge operation,

So Hitlers massive, huge, gigantic Jewish Nazi
army which ran the holocaust was bigger then the entire UK armed forces which
are ranked as the 5th most powerful armed forces on the planet and the Jewish
Nazi army was bigger then that 150 k to 144 k for the UK .

Smaug Please explain how the Times
of Israel and Haretz etc. are lying about this and are anti Jewish along with
60 minutes etc etcetc. It should make for a good laugh for all on this board.
Is Chelsea Handler lying?? Look at the excellent evidence you can get from the
Jewish press. Don’t take my word for it! To all Goyims on this board if you
don’t already I suggest you study the Jewish Press – the ones based in Israel
as I do – in order to get a full understanding of what they (Smaug and her
master race) routinely plan in respect to the Stupid Goyim. Don’t take my word
for it, see for yourself. See below nothing beats the voluntary confession.

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Grandpa’s
Nazi past shocks Jewish star

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-comedienne-faces-grandpas-nazi-past/

Grandpa’s Nazi past shocks Jewish star

Chelsea Handler confronts
dark family history as she undergoes a televised journey of self-discovery

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cechas vodobenikov

DPR/LPR brigades now far better equipped and prepared. incompetent US/canadian officers have been training nazi ukrop forces for 5 years. the competent Ukrainians have relocated to Russia; what remains are Chernobyl mutants, their nazi spawn and the polish peasants in lvov…turkis will train them to invade zhitomr

The Objective

We’ll see when shit gets hot. No need talking tough here. I remember reading similar comments before the Armenia war.

HiaNd

The only one “talking tough” were Armenians…being overconfident… with the leader-traitor.
Putin’s Russia is the last country on the planet to “talk tough”.
Making their enemies over confident…and out of touch with the reality.

Raptar Driver

How do you think you’re worship, Putin came to power?
Yes Yeltsin appointed him.
You are a disinfo agent.

HiaNd

Yeltsin didn’t want to leave, he was forced to declare to have “health problems” and to step down as president (for different reasons).
It wasn’t Yeltsin that “appointed him” but BORIS BEREZOVSKY – the “grey Eminence of Kremlin”.
He and other Jews (US) was in charge not Yeltsin ( after 2nd. elections )
Yeltsin did only protocol necessary to introduce his prime minister Putin into presidency of Russia.
You are a not even “disinfo agent” but retarded ill informed American.

Raptar Driver

That’s bull snot you Balkan Turk.
I saw the ceremony where Yeltsin empowered him formally.
Only he had the power to do that.

John

On some www pages I read that NATO is doing preparation for war with Russia.

Jon

That would be insane.

Clarence Spangle

No white man is going to war against the great Russian bear anytime in this century.

Jon

So Southfront would have us believe that Turkey is about to engage Russia simultaneously along the line of control (M-4) in northern Syria from Latakia to Al Qamishi; and in a renewed belligerence between Armenia and Azerbaijan; and in a total war on the Crimean/Ukraine border and along the line of control in eastern Ukraine.

This is called WWIII and it won’t happen.

Putin plays a much more nuanced game. He can make nice with Erdogan and at the same time keep his deal with Assad. He can walk the tight rope with Russia’s ally Israel while playing nice with the Mullahs. He can complete Nordstream 2, and keep Belarus in Russia’s camp.

There will not be a huge war. There will be continued shifting interests but no world war. No one can afford it.

Trap Is Not Gay

Israel is “ally” of the USA, shill.

Not Russia.

Trap Is Not Gay

Here comes the shill Spangler to help the shill Jon.

Paid shills en mass today? What’s going on here?

It seems that after all the censorship and anti-Putin propaganda yet the CIA/NSA have started another wave of attacks…

Listen paid shills, isn’t it more easy in the USA to control Soros and the tribe instead of trying to ruin the world?

Are you sure that your Soros-like MASTERS are 100% right?

Trap Is Not Gay

Paid shill’s projection of the USA-Israel submission.

Jon

Russian is the second language of Israel. These two countries cooperate continuously. That is good news, not bad news. Be honest. How many IDF air raids against Syrian and Iranian targets in Syria has Russia stopped or even tried to stop. I’m giving Putin credit for wisdom. Why do you object to that?

Ma_Laoshi

Seems “Putin’s long game” is going swimmingly; maybe he shouldn’t play this much with people who are smarter than himself.

Then again, if all that Ukraine intends is psychological warfare, wouldn’t it more-or-less look the same? Won’t know which is which until it’s too late I guess.

firenzass

The enemy Is at the gates but Putin keeps on playing chess.

Whats going on in Moscow?

Beware of the enemy from within !

HiaNd

Russia was almost destroyed back in Yeltsin era and all loose ends that are still left from that period are absolutely negligible.
Today we can say that Russia is one of the extremely few sovereign countries that decide how to govern her own destiny.
Russia most definitely has today, much more enemies from outside, than enemies “from within”.

Marcel

Putin seems like a nationalist just like Trump was for the Americans, but at the end of the day, they’re all jew lovers.

HiaNd

Based on what?
Did he move Russian embassy to Jerusalem maybe?

John Brown

Please explain how the Times
of Israel and Haretz etc. are lying about this and are anti Jewish along with
60 minutes etc etcetc. It should make for a good laugh for all on this board.
Is Chelsea Handler lying?? Look at the excellent evidence you can get from the
Jewish press. Don’t take my word for it! To all Goyims on this board if you
don’t already I suggest you study the Jewish Press – the ones based in Israel
as I do – in order to get a full understanding of what they (Smaug and her
master race) routinely plan in respect to the Stupid Goyim. Don’t take my word
for it, see for yourself. Nothing beats the voluntary confessions and bragging .

AM Hants

Turkey seriously think they can take on Russia? Remember 2014, when Poroshenko was saying the Civil War in Donetsk would be over in 2 weeks. Well what happened next? How many NATO member states sent special forces to Ukraine, to train the dimwits? How many NATO members, and Ukraine Forces ended up in the cauldrons? That was when those defending Donetsk were mainly miners and farmers and with little military experience. Seven years ago and a lot of training and professionalism can be found in the same forces today.

How much is in it for Erdogan?