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On December 27th, Turkish outlet Haber TV released a map showing a “friendship plan” for what they refer to as the “Turkic world.”
The map that shows the “friendship plan” is … ambitious, at the least.
It is interesting how it will be turned into reality, but the report doesn’t go far enough to elaborate on that part of the plan.
This report was made following statements by retired Russian Lieutenant General Leonid Ivashov on December 20th.
According to him, Official Ankara is expanding its influence on the former lands of the Ottoman Empire and considers Crimea as a former territory.
Ivashov is the former head of the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Russian Defense Ministry and he spoke on the air of the Roy TV Internet channel.
“Turkey at the official level with the Zelensky government is negotiating just about the problem of Novorossiya and the problem of Crimea. Moreover, Turkey talks about Crimea as if neutrally, not recognizing it as Russian, but at the same time does not promise to return it to Ukraine. That is, it is playing its game,” said the general.
According to Ivashov, Turkish official documents state that Crimea is the former territory of the Ottoman Empire.
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“So we see that it will not end only with Karabakh. But the movement to Central Asia and the activity shown there by third-level officials, and so on,” the retired colonel-general noted.
Ivashov stressed that in Turkey at the state level they are working with Ukraine both in Crimea and Donbass.
According to Haber TV, the Russians are scared by the “five states – one nation” concept and that this project is underlined by the many cooperation agreements Turkey has signed with nations such as Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan.
The initial plan was a two-state, one-nation project between Turkey and Azerbaijan but it is rapidly spreading.
And then, the map shared by Haber TV provides some quite significant claims that cover large parts of Caucasus, Crimea, a very large part of Central Asia, about 1/3 of the territory of Russia, and even China, in addition to parts of Syria, Iraq, Iran and more.
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How that could actually happen in reality, remains a mystery.
According to Haber TV, Russian media are concerned because of the plethora of military deals that Turkey has signed with the countries, and namely – Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.
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A country with these borders would surely be a superpower , It will have Iraq and Caucasus oilfields , Iranian , Russian fertile lands and a huge population BUT it seems to be impossible to happen given the numerous ethnicities living in these lands and cultural , Religious diversity .
this is the most delusional stuff
Tajikstan is allied with Turkey actully and always have. They share nothing in common with Iran except Language and ethnicity closely related not the same people but somehow close but other then that they never shared common politcal grounds since Iran became Shia in 1602. Which means Iran has been shia only for recently but traditionally Sunni country
The problems is: times of religious confession are over. Religious confession doesn’t make the decision or strategy at all. There were Shia confessions older than Safawids (those who are Ismailit).
Come back to 2020. If religion would play a major role then we wouldn’t see a Turkish (sunni) – Saudi (wahabi) – Israeli (jew) – Western (christianity) alliance today
That makes no sense. The Ottomans was very big, declned for good reasons.
The basement Ottomans has a structure, which in a very dirty nationalistic creation cant include others. Ottomans were cosmopoltes but could nor reform themself and also drowned in corruption – Just as The Byzantines did.
Thats whatthey learn i school today, dear æittle boy of mine.
We see the ssame for other collapsed Empires, where USSR is a very good example.
People doint see Neolonioalisme west og Berlin was Neocolonialisme. They dont see the many countries the USSR(and the Tzars) too.
They dont see Poalnd has been moved west. They dont see Ukraine has been moved west. They dont see Belarus has been moved west.
They dont know how big Poland was after WW1 and Belarus and a corner of Ukraine was a part of Poland as well as the demonstrations in Belarus use the Polish flag, because they are more counsins to Poland then Russia.
Yesterday it was about Pakistan and India. I wont defend Brittish Coloniali
sme, but a very good reasons for Britts could make their big impire named “India” was that big area was many states and by that fighted each other.
By that Britts only had to defeat some parts of India having many local helpers. Later it went wrong and bad fro the Britts, but they took is bite by bite and also from fx Portugal and Denmark too.
as i always mention the turks are suicidal tools and why would the west need gulen if they have erdogan the crazy daesh funding maniac XD
of course everybody in this list will just lay back and die so that turkey can take what us supposedly theirs so please turkey explain how you who failed in syria will take on so many nations among them actual civilization states which you are not this is so self destructive delusional and its simply absurdly funny because the turks are based on the delusion that everybody is a turk but i would like them to define to me what turk means because its certainly no ethnic group XD
Still holds an important part of syria , swept an important part of syrian border from Kurdish seperatist , and slaughtered a considerable amount of hezbullah rats during this process .
And if I were you I wud not speak about what iranian means , considering that 45% of the circus called Iran is non persian .
There are no Kursh seperatists. Theit åprogram, which You are forbidden to read, dont say so.
They speak for local parlaments for local people paying parts of their tax for local matters. Thats very normal where I live, because the locals know whats needed and when they are the payers, they decide better what to do.
It also reduce possible corruption very much, bacuse half of the tax never reach the center and evaporate into gready pockets.
Yuo are very biased too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran
if turkey wanted ever to be destroyed it would annoy russia iran and china at once but isnt that exactly what turkey is up to these days so the lesson about the turks is that they are to stupid to survive XD
Only an iranian peasant would classify iran together with Russia and China. LMFAO. Iran is an underdeveloped shithole which can only exist in failed states. So dont take yourself so seriously , historcially you are good dancers and storty tellers, but not soldiers. Thats the reason yr intelligentsia and top commander gets slaughtered weekly while you can not do anything about while you try to make us believe that iran is really a country but not a circus.
They also has longhaired goats, cats and carpets.
Putin will gladly donate half of Russia to their Turkish partners, all in good faith and for friendship.
This Pan Turkish dream will destroy Turkey itself like it did with Saddam and his Pan Arabism policy
We will see. They do spread out too much. I can mention Hitler or Colonials before him.
Its much easier to take or relate then keep.
This is an insult to Hitler. Hitler was not a puppet like Erdogan. You see how fast they went for Israel? Because all Turkish Israeli conflict was/ is just a show nothing more. Turkey cannot breathe without US and Israel. The Russian tried to force them out of NATO and Western alliance but failed badly. But in relation to military, yes you are right
Hitler was concieved from incest,no further explanation needed,other than
satans muppet to the core,up its!
well, I don’t care about anyone’s evolution, but I was talking about their military and policy strategy
And You was his father, sister, mother or what?
Erdogan is no puppet. He has been the best they have for years and as a contrast to many other Leaders are elected by around 50%.
I will say he now is in a desperate partly decining, but they have nothing batter for now – apart from changing their politics.
Your version of what Turkey can and cannot is far out. Its normal procedure for many countries to defend themself in aliances and Turkey here has been and for that matter is an important help against old USSR.
Thats not puppi but common sense.
It also makes common sense that the Bolsjevics collapsed themself and by that are less enemies before and are not able to take and control Turkey or parts of it.
By that Turks allow themself to be more themself.
You make Your own crap about Israel and USA because You also has learned no manners. Its very strange a very small dot like Israel can make a whole country like Yours into a traumecanter.
A pity for You, there are no Nobel price in bad excuses and execusions for nothing.
a traumacenter? More like they have trauma because the times of winning against 6 arab countries in just 6 days are over for Israel. They knew it after 33 days war and Syrian regime change fail.
Beside that, Turkey know that US can has influence over their military and intelligence. US has not any friends remember that, only puppets or business partners nothing more. Saddam also had the same idea while he attacked Iran but US threw him away like they did with kurds and FSA in Syria, and they will do it again with another country.
If you mean some Turan countries, most of them are nearly failed states, like I said only a Turan alliance on paper. Most ppl in the 20th and 21th century who dream about having an empire over half of the world will fail
Mate, you need to post less and eat more Omega 3 rich foods for your lack of brains. Best to stay shut.
You have no idea? The alliance is much bigger then just this 5 countries but in truth it expands into 30 countries with Nuclear weapons and with all sorts of state of the art technology. Nearly 1.5 Billion
alliance on paper. Turkey and AZ couldn’t even fight against Armenia without using some jihadi terrorists from FSA. Hole region has a different religion, different culture, different system. No chance
Armenia was defeated in 6 weeks quick work
not a surprise to take the own land against a country without any impact power. But also with help of a lot of FSA jihadi terrorists
That propaganda is irrelevant here in our talk. Azeribaijan has alot of active army it doesn’t need extra foot soldiers it doesn’t make logical sense. Only if they were short of manpower but Azeribaijan has good population numbers they don’t need manpower supply they are already in surplus
they are evidences that jihadist are there. US had also manpower but failed in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Manpower and technology are just parameters, the decision maker and strategist are the most important
Do you know what a World war means? Fighting a limited war and full out war against someone is different. It is just propaganda in truth
who talked about world war dude? I said Vietnam and Afghanistan. I can also give an example of Saddam who was supported by West and East at the same but failed to conquer an Iranian province. Strategy and decision maker are the keys. Wait for Russian actions in Armenia in 2021
It was only Saddam with old tech population wise the Iranians outnumbered his forces 1 to 10 but still most of the war happened inside Iranian territories which means it was an invasion from Iraq into Iran not the other way around
Actually the Iranians never outnumbered Saddam’s army during the war as their revolution had thrown their logistics into chaos. On paper they could easily field an army 10x that of Saddam. In practice they were hardpressed to field an army barely the size of the Iraqi army. Which was better equipped as Iraq was allowed to purchase the best that was available to it on the free market while Iran suffered from an arms embargo. Concentrating their forces and using better motivated troops allowed the Iranians to score victories against an inept Iraqi army where its generals feared the wrath of Saddam more then their Iraqi foes. And the war started on Iranian soil. moved to Iraqi soil, especially in the South where the Iranians tried their best to take Basra, and eventually moved back into Iran when the Iraqi army used overwhelming superior firepower to drive back the exhausted Iranians.
Iranian ground forces in 1980 were reduced to less than 60,000 men and Iraq invaded with a million man military with best eastern and western equipment oil money can buy. Iran initially checked the invasion with volunteers and costly human wave tactics.
US – Saudi Arabia- Kuweit – paid Saddam to invade Iran (poor little innocent Israel welfare state demanded)..
‘As the victors of World War I, France and Britain dismantled the Ottoman
Empire and the Arab nation for their own colonial purposes. The Iraq
Petroleum Company was created in 1920 with 95% of the shares going to Britain, France, and the U.S. In order to weaken Arab nationalism, Britain blocked Iraqi access to the Persian Gulf by severing the territorial entity,
“Kuwait” from the rest of Iraq in 1921 and 1922.”
Rumsfeld went in person give Saddam poison gas he used on Iranians.
See Powell fake testimony ”Travelling gas chambers” ha ha…..!
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Now they want a US and Iran conflict as well as US and China mutually destructive war. Even poor malnourished India is being pushed into a suicidal war with China. Israel and the Zionist lobby is an albatross around the US neck and a threat to humanity.
This is reality, also sacrifice young Americans, Us bankruptcy was always in their plan.
Oh so true, jewry are the number one enemy of humanity.
OH what luck for the jews that most people are ignorant gullible idiots.
People are no sub human psychopaths..it’s a cul de sac
However a isolated Iran defeated Iraq and today is the kingmaker there. So in real terms Iran came out a winner, albeit at a great sacrificial cost. Iraq has unlimited Soviet and western weapons and support, much like Azerbaijan did.
Must be a Muslim ‘dude’ working for Mossad ?
Largely due to Russian passivity and Armenian incompetence. Armenia with three million isolated people and a treacherous government could not have held out against Azerbaijan, Turkey, Israel and Pakistan who enjoyed full NATO backing. Russia wisely did not to repeat its Afghan experience of the 80’s.
AZ losses in 6 weeks ( 3000 dead) beside another 200 FSA terrorist (and
not all provinces were retaken)…fighting vs NK Lumberjacks who didnt have air support…and now they together with Turks want to fight vs Russia to conquer Russian lands?…sorry I didnt know that the alliance Turkey& Azerbajan is more powerful than US&NATO and can scare Russia&China!…
Mark M. (must be for Muslim) Nobleman must be for ‘Jew’.
Russia is Turkey’s prime target with NATO blessings and the map gives a good glimpse into the future destabilization of the Caucasus.
IMO what’s happening is the end of 500 years of Euro/colonial rule is in sight and the Turks, Russians, Chinese and Indians are now maneuvering to control the center of the board …. Central Asia and the middle east.
The Russians currently have a military advantage backed up by huge reserves of resources, the Chinese are working on control through economic power, the Turks are playing the kinship card and the Indians unfortunately are left hind tit so they will likely choose between backing the Russians or backing the USA.
Colonial European powers at first competed between each other for power with the British finally winning out then after WW2 they handed the baton to the USA. They USA is now teetering with no new white skinned western power to hand off to.
The cost of ruling an empire with naval force has bankrupted every every nation that’s tried. It looks like the USA is headed down that same road. Once the USA pulls back the fight for central Asia begins in ernest.
I am Turkish and I have never ever heard such a media outlet called “Haber TV” I also made a google search and couldn’t find there either…..
Is this article a hoax or what?
Typical south-front ..periodically publishing neo-ottoman,great turan bs..xD
It seems that SF concerned about Turan more than we do lol
They giv information. Knowing the big picture in dreams as well as realisme is important for both friends and enemies.
Im mainly not SF fanatic but I like to know diffrent sides of many things. Here they get + + from me.
I have no problem with “giving information”. That’s not my point.
Fine. It would be nice if You explained. Thats was these sites can be used for.
I started here because I was blamed by Danish Rightwings as well as Danish living muslims, that I knew nothing.
They mainly was very incorrect even I made mistakes here and there. That can be changed if You take in and learn.
I know more because I read and write a lot. Yesterday I was commented as if I had nothing else to do and therefore write a lot.
But facts are I know much more then and by that can write most things in “John Wayne style”. I also pr routine look facts up much better because I have a smaller education grade in statistics, factfinding and game-theory.
My point is that there is no such a channel, none, “Haber TV” does not exist at all. If one can show me such a channel I will accept I am wrong, you know… maybe really there exists such a channel. But if I am right, it means that this “article” is bs., lie, fabricated.
Yes some people would share this kind of maps in social media and wish for Turan, but do you know who? Some edgy teens and some braindead morons.
Erdogan is mafia
Asgari Ucret 2825 TL
Açıkçası pek de umurumda değil asgari ücret. Asgari ücret alıp ona oy veren tonla insan var onlar düşünsün.
Turkce bilmez o Turk degil cunku. ısmine bakma zibidinin.
Neyin nesi peki İran trolü falan mı?
rus trolü götoğlanı ben türküm diyor iki kelime konuş desen konuşamaz …..patlatmışlar bir türkün hesaBINI ORADAN AKILLARI SIRA İMAJ VERİYORLAR BEN TÜRKÜM AMA RUSYAYI DESTEKLİYORUM ÖBÜRÜ ÇIKAR BEN İSVİÇRELİYİM AMA RUSYAYI DESTEKLİYORUM…BLOKLADIM BEN O GAVATI SİZDE YAPIN…
Tamamdır, sağol. Yorumu da sildim.
The point is You learned something today I have known for years.
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Ctrl+f: haber
I mainly use google As written I have known Haber as I wrote for many years.
Because its Turkish its not reliable, but its there.
The Internet is controlled by Israel US
And You use it. Before that You only had camels, letters and minaretes.
You can block those US and Israelians by bombing Your computers and mobile phones too.
I’m not from Arabian Bedouins desert raiders who lived in tents, but a Christian from the Levant.
You animals are kissing Bedouin feet with no History but gas stations.. to recognized Israel.. tfffh
Do you think your religious beliefs will change what you actualy are ?
Same shit different smell . LMFAO
I am Christian’ doesn’t mean i go to church every Sunday.. you subhuman RAT child killers.
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I am no jew , but this does not mean that I have to close my eyes to a fucktard who openly supports a backwards 16th century regyme just because he does not like Jews.
If you loved them you should immigrate to Iran , why you fleed to a Israel supporting western country ? We both know the reply , because you are another loudmouth Middle Eastern hypocrite.
I just tell You use a lot of invension mainly made by west and for good reasons dont hesitate.
Here You forget the density for many things in west – like here – also make that dependensy for us, and we also are worried as users too and try to make a btter level for it.
There hardly are any beduins in Syria anymore. They are settled by Ottomans and also Assads. Only beduins corn is used.
Kurds and arabs in the dry land are not beduins. They have land and grow it in januar, februar, march and take the grain from there mainly foir bread. Then everything is dry and they walk or drive far to find anything to eat for their sheep and goat.
Thats not even semi-beduinisme. In semibeduinisme they live in a summer and a winter housing and mainly grow almost nothing.
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Your versions for who is who is not correct. It makes no sense to compare the poorest farmers also beeing almost not educated with the Israel and its high tech parts.
Its also very visible in their plans by PYD. They wish to devellop the very ineffective farming structures, so for northern Syria and here with many Kurds its about being safe with enough dayli food.
How that can be related to Israel is impossible to see unless its propaganda. Well, there is one thing. Israel is known for retaking land from their desert parts making at least something to grow and less sandstorms.
Wel Mr Levant. Its also well known Levants dont know whats in the Eastern part of Syria.
The main emmigrant groups to the artificial land named Syria also is not even Kurds. It Shammars from Saudia Arabia and lives along Eufrat and Khabour -. as well as Tigris in Iraq. Thats why ISIS could have succes there as not unfriendly center as well as some realy also today are ISISes.
I have no
I’m no ”Mister Levant”..don’t know what you’re talking about, except your support for ISIS.
”How that can be related to Israel is impossible to see unless its propaganda.”
Very related to Israel..since WW1;-)
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There’s no ‘artificial land called Syria” the Levant is in ancient land of Canaan. Aramean lived in Sham (Damascus in Greek) 10,000 years ago, before Judaism was invented.
Bedouins live in the Desert.
Israel is allied with Kurd.
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No it is controlled by martians . Paranoid charlatan.
Lunatic beggars thieves and criminal gangsters..
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Boo boo !! Jews are coming jews are coming.. Run to Quebec and hide there.
When you middle eastern fleebirds will start talking about yr own shortcomings and mistakes ? Why you sneaky peasants sold yr lands to Jews at the first place ?
I feeel fine about it. It makes a wider perspective. Turkey has to trade with new ones, because the old ones are negative to them.
It show Erdos are deperate too spreading out in old dreams. Its very relevant.
If you sincerely believe this, the only reason you are here all over the day is you being paid. Troll!
paid troll???…no darling…all over the day???again failed… 20-25 minutes maximum… hah! shithead…What you gonna do, cry some more?
You talk about trolls? Haha faggy, YOU are a troll, a lame,PATHETİC, shitty retarded troll….
Now cry more.. ı am going to block you now because you are utterly imbecile…ha!….hahaha… all lols and rofls…pathetic imbecile…bye bye..xD
Maybee he is some paid Anarchist being paid for not writing here…Andf then they stopped:)
https://www.haberturk.com/canliyayin
Can you read Jens? It’s “Haber Türk” not “Haber TV”.
There are many channels in here with name “x” haber. Because of this I thought that they are mistaken about the name, but they wrote “Haber TV” repeatedly soo… there should be a channel named “Haber TV” which I don’t know?
In my context its the short popular version.
I also say China and not the the ……of China
Mabee You see Haber like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWHGW2cbpdY
I watch Haber Türk time to time. They are not such a channel to publish this kind of image. I am 100% sure you can’t find this image on their site. Want to bet?
I just write there is a HaberTV and has given a link for it abo the ironic Hama sut
Bad video…
one is fact and the other is funny.
Deep fake,deep state,they are losing the war against the peoples economies and whom voted legit for leaders whom are supoposed to repesent their peoples not overseas corps!
Maybe you try this address: https://www.haberturk.com/canliyayin
Comes first.
Omg… how many people have dyslexia in this site…
Many authist hardly can move their own behind, because things has to be the same.
Search for TRT Haber. First result on Google
Spot on. Post a 2 min vid on Youtube, with a drawing like this and a music in the background, no animations, no effects – and have fun reading the comments. I was doing it as hobby few years ago. It was taking 2-3 hours and the comments are rolling for years.
I guess that’s exactly what happened in this post.
Look at these people making analysis over a shitty image lol
IMO it’s 120% what happened.
Those people have no difference than who swallow the zio media bs everyday. Only difference is that they receive it from a different party.
Fanaticism, that’s the problem actually. They can’t believe that this site can lie them as well. Look at those people sending me different channel sites…they searched and they couldn’t find that media outlet either, yet they are trying to denounce me or they say sf made a typo. Yeah I am sure they did…
Yeah when you point their weakness they explode in furious counteraarguments, many contradictory to eachother, and this is entertaining.
Thats not news . Since Turkey would not integrate with EU they for devellopment has to have new tradepartners.
All of them reject and says Turks are no real Turkmen as well as they will never have Turkey in front.
The EU declining was many years ago. Things can have changed, so a try again only can have more succes then iniative number one.
The now/deepstate has their media,but really this will be a showdown between the peoples uniteds
against those pathedic corporations owned by the banksters along with their medias and fakke billionaires whom are in reality nothing more relevant than do’minions to say the very least.
Don’t take their bait,they are losing on all fron’t and would love nothing more than created ww3!
You create Your own deep dark state Yourself. All is crap as well as vey much of Your “DEEP” is deep because Younot even look up, whats on internet.
Many other things are no secret at all. Fx the danish budget for strange reasons are written in Danish and in public for free in Our libraries. Before that its debated by the Goverment as well as the parlament and well as the lobbyist – In TV and Radio.
We do have things here in Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Turkish or vietnamese – but thats often about healht care is free, hosopitals are free, vomen can go free in the strets and old and young men dont decide at all, what women should do. Its equal rights for educations and You normally educate and work better for a higher pay. Ur´t nirmal to have female Leaders above You deciding for Yopu as well as the alos can be lower or equal.
The thread is filled with some Iranian betas who this topic doesn’t even concern
You dont decide that, butt You can make Your own site an be administrator there.
I wonder why Iranians should have not even oppinions here. They are closer in distance and those coutries also has many non Turks in them.
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Its also allowed and shown that relations are not about etnicity.
Turks themself of today by DNA are 80% europeans and indoeuropeans as well. So that potential trade market shown at the SF map are, where Russia was and kept it underdevelloped.
They were no liberated – not even by themself. Hardly any has asked for any Turks with a Turkish they hardly understand.
you know Erdogan is mafia
You know who is worse than erdoğan? iranian regime.
all is better than Erdogan
If Turkish parties do not protest against Erdogan’s minimum wage then he would have made 2600-2700 TL rounds
and there are elections in 2023 of course Erdogan has to give a little more pay rise to people to want to vote
I know, minimum wage is not good for a good functioning economy, it increases inflation but minimum wage should be way more than 2825 tl in Turkey. Erdogan doesn’t care about the quality of life, he will probably give out some money to his supporters once the elections near to try to get some more votes.
Erdogan does not care about people
he thinks only of himself
Erdogan will never give a high pay rise when he continues there is evidence we have seen now
we have seen what he has given to his own people from 2015 to 2020
if it was Ekrem Imamoglu or Mansur Yavas today would have been over 3500 TL
Erdoğan only seems to care about his people when elections near, i think he will make some wise decisions when elections come. Also CHP Municipalities raised the minium wage to 3100 Tl for everyone that works in companies affiliated with municipalities. Ekrem imamoğlu can win the next elections if the economy worsens.
This map is so unrealistic but it’s nice to see russians and iranians mad xD
No Russians are mad they are having fun with it. They see for what it is but it is one mentally ill Iranian who fears Turkey because his country is to weak is spamming the area hahaha
No, its a seach area. You read it in a negative way. They hope and work for some of it might help them both ways.
Turks has industrial products which are needed there as well as they do have things to send or send back.
Erdoğan is too busy working for his “ummah” He doesn’t care about secular Turkic states nor do his followers. In fact, they hate secular Turkic countries.
Turkic states are part of the nation
You should’ve seen the amount of hate Aliyev received from Erdoğan’s followers after he posted a photo of himself and his wife in front of a Christmas tree . These people are sick, they really hate secular Turkic countries, they’d rather unite with shiethole arabic countries instead of Turkic countries.
apparently some turks here deny the whole existense of haber tv or whatever the name is …
https://www.haberturk.com/canliyayin
here is the link
Have a dyslexia test would you
so all of your problem posting dozens of comments denying its existence and other turks keep upvoting them to keep the comment at the top is that Southfront didn’t type it correctly?
when i checked the website it says haberturk TV , as a matter of fact i only typed haber on google and brought it up….
stop posting useless comment!
Haber Turk is not Haber TV . One is a well known major network , other one is an unknown small news outlet. Is it so hard to understand ?
when i did the search there was only one haber and its highly unlikey Southfront post his report based on a small unknown media !
again stop positing useless comment
HaberTurk is one of the most popular tv channels in Turkey. If they had shared an image like this we would be arguing about this in Turkey currently. You don’t know anything.
Haber means ‘news’ in turkish . So you can find it everywhere. Why you are insisting on something that you have no idea about ?
SF report say’s “haber TV” and there is only one “haber TV” on google search.
i’m not insisting , i saw turks going up and down saying there is no haber tv so i posted the link to it. and now you keep sending me philosophy about it.
you can keep denying it forever i just don’t have the time to keep reply to you.
Haber tv diye bir kanal var mı cidden? Gerçekten bulamadım.
Okay send me the link of this news then. Prove it.
its up to Southfront to defend their report against your allegation not me!
besides what you say is total BS , cause this is a deniable claim! meaning the media/news could be removed from that website after delivering the claim to public. just like erdogan made a territory claim on iran via reading a poem during azerbaijan victory parade(even though the whole claim was incorrect and upside down )! and then turkey said erdogan didn’t mean anything by it! see , deniable claim.
i’m not gonna waste my time on your weird comment. i’m not gonna answer you anymore
There is NO such a website you MORON. That’s the point!!!!!
Enough…
Which kind of machine can translate this: TURKISH MEDIA RELEASES INCREDIBLY AMBITIOUS “FIVE STATES, ONE NATION” MAP into DYSLEXIA
Hitler also thought that many part of Russia were part of his Pan German dreams as many Etnic Germans lived in Volga, North, Kazajistan, Siberia, Urals..etc…but Erdogan is just a tool of NATO and at any moment they can remove him..we have seen it during the coup when NATO keep silence or in East Mediterranean where French and Greece armed forces were ready to confront Turkey which would have lead that many EU countries like Germany, Belgium among others would have supported the coalition France&Greece.
Cant and wont are rwo things. The mainproblem seemes to be to replace him and AKP with something better.
The signs for that seemes to be very small. Erdigan as well as many other despots do anything to find nooene, which can replace him.
Kemals seemes not to be better – just a ittle different. Fx the PKK attirude is the same, which reamain the same non solution as today. They like EU some 2% more then Erdos as well.
As long as we’re sharing maps…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cf87fbba7ca7545bc4aa4b416308b3a4d52863aaec9e711ab33a8a57a0bbafea.png
Those idiot Turks are just more puppets for Israel and world jewry. Useful idiots.
Zion also show a lot of map…and they are slowly stealing land and they are the support of gay pigs in US.
A wet dream is just a wet dream.
I enjoy the pol pot fringe comments
That’s it, time for Iran, China, and Russia to tell Erdogan and his idiots to fuck off. Even Ataturk wouldn’t approve of this
I don’t think Russia scares easy,this Turd needs a reality check.
russians are smiling and rubbing their hands in anticipation of exactly such things
Im not saying Istanbul will be Constantinople again, but its an option…if Erdogan keeps pushing his neo Ottoman delusion.
The populationof ıstanbul is 2 x Hungaria.
So , can you tell us who will make it ‘ Contantinople ‘ again and what will the people living in there will do against it. Considering that you guys know everything ,may be you have a reply for this . Let us hear .
Did I say it will be us?
Nope.
Ofc not you . No doubt about it.
Nobody can , not even yr beloved russian friends. So next time when you are posting down childish arguments make sure that you can defend the same .
They could, easily.
If they wanted.
But Russia never starts wars they end them.
It was a friendly warning…
Not easily , not ever unless you nuke the city 2-3 times while civilized world watches . No one can invade a 20 million city and change its name , change its ethnicity , especially if the city is inhabited by people who are known to be agressive and belonging to a different religion.
There is no example of this – I am not even speaking about the fact that this will need a huge + huge amount of ground troops which russia can not accomodate because there is no border between Russia and Turkey.
Sometimes Russia starts war , and some other people finish it. Ask Afghans. Dont let yr love of Russia blind you, they may not be so godly as you think.
Afghanistan was started by the CIA in the early 70s, and after Russia left the central govt was around for another 7 years.
So it’s not like NAM and the fall of Saigon.
Afghanistan is a wasteland there is nothing to win.
You don’t need nukes only around 2-300 cruise missiles taking out every defense HQ after that you are deaf and blind.
They could level the city from a stand off position no need for ground troops.
The world stood by as the U.S. and vassals were genociding the middle east for 30years.
Won’t even mention Israel…
If Afghanistan was a wasteland then neither Russians , nor Americans or English would be interested in there . It is a very critical region , a gateway. And what you posted above does not change the fact that it was the Soviets who attacked Afghanistan which ended with their bitter defeat. No words , no revisionist history can change that.
Nobody can win a war with 2-300 cruise missiles – invading a city needs boots on the ground. You are living in a dream world my hungarian friend. You claimed something that is not possible and now you are trying to justify it desperately .
Truth hurts try to handle it…
Russia isnt interested in Afghanistan.
Neither was the Soviet Union.
And they didnt invade either,they were asked in by the legitim Afghan govt after the CIA started destabilizing the country around 1973.
First with advisers than after 1979 with troops.
It had been a defeat if the Afghan govt had fallen in the coming weeks but they lasted for another 7 years unlike the South Vietnamese cia backed troll govt.
You can easily win a war with a few hundred cruise missiles targeting key infrastructure.
After that you can take three aporoaches, puppet govt, siege tactics or boots on the groubd and full assault like in Berlin.
All three ar viable.
You are overestimating your capebilities, you guys even struggle in Syria, Lybia, or against Kurds.
In a pedal to the metal war you wouldnt last two weeks.
Have a nice day ?
P.S. also lets not forget the motives.
GB and the U.S. went there for the opium and to keep Iran and China in Check, while the Soviet Union only wanted a stable neighbour without CIA and opium trade.
Slight difference…
I told you that Soviets attacked Afghanistan and lost the war , a fact that everyone knows . And what we have in return , a buthurt russophile who refuses all , blames CIA and blabbers some stupidity about some cruise missiles, kurds , syria , ıraq. etc etc ..
There was a full invasion attempt of Afghanistan by Soviet trrops which turned out to be a catastrophy for soviets which ended with dissolution of Soviets..
”Thus, over the course of the 1980’s, the Soviet Union poured in billions of dollars (US) into the war in Afghanistan, and at its peak, more than 100,000 Soviet soldiers were fighting in the country. However, the Afghan resistance (the mujahideen) was heavily supported by a wide variety of international actors, including the US, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, and Egypt. In the end, the mujahideen prevailed and the Soviet Army was forced to withdraw from Afghanistan in February 1989, having lost tens of thousands killed and wounded. Even after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Moscow continued to supply and arm the communist regime of Dr. Najibullah, but this was not enough, and Kabul fell to the mujahideen in 1992.”
http://www.understandingwar.org/russia-and-afghanistan
They lost against 100k soldiers they have sent , billions of dollars they have spent there – But hey , hungarian knows it all and says that Afghanistan was not a defeat for Ruskies and it has no importance.
Sure. OK . LMFAO.
You dont know history very well…
Soviets didn’t attack they were asked in by the legitim govt.
And they didn’t lose, they gave up and let it collapse.
Turkey lost against Kurds many times…
So did the U.S. in NAM and in Afghanistan for the past 20 years eventho Russia didnt support the Taliban like the CIA did.
Plus Iraq and Syria.
What did Turkey win?
Not much. And you lost a lot of people and gear in recent years for practically nothing.
Turkish economy is on the brink of collapse.
Expand and collapse or dont and collapse…lolz.
Your only chance is to team up with Russia, Iran and China.
We both know that.
Erdogan has already moved in that direction.
Turkey is on its way out of NATO.
Moving out of Idlib, buying Russian S-400 and gas and nuclear reactors list goes on…
You are probably a gulenist on CIA payroll anyways, at least the Turkish counter intelligence is smart enough to deal with your sort.??
Bye bye…
Ah yes , history. Not a revisonist one like yours who consider
Marxist coup leaders as legitimate government . Also liked that new
understanding of defeat proposed by you ‘ they gave up and let it collapse’ It is always heart breaking to see the extend of excuses one can create to hide the failures of their beloved ones .
Seems that you gave up that ‘Russians will get istanbul’ bullshit , at
least we are reaching somewhere with you.
Kurds could not get an inch from TR since 150 years , on the contrary TR
is now sitting on former Kurdish cities like Afrin . I think this is your
understanding of defeat.
I don’t give a damn about Vietnam and USA . Are you trying to cover
failures of Russians with failures of Americans , this does not work either.
Your arguments was ‘ Russians don’t start wars , but they finish it’
Go and defend yr argument before hiding behind others failures.
TR is holding lands in Iraq and Syria which is bigger than the land mass
of Cyprus and suppressing Kurdish insurgency – these are lands that used to have terror camps. They are no more.
We have seen worse times and did not collapse , so don’t worry for us my
Hungarian friend. If we thought that Russian / China was the only ones to team up ( will not even include iran in that list because they are a joke ) , we would not support Ukraine with weapons , so may be yr political assignations are not the best .
And finally , if you are hoping that you will silence me with some
childish and vogue threats in my homeland , you are losing yr grasp on reality.
P.S. you have a border with Iran tho…
And if you think in an all out war they won’t allow Russian troops through your a mistaken.
Where did you had the idea that Iran will ever have the power to attack to Turkey or allow assaulting troops through its land which means open decleration of war ? Where did you also get the idea that Russian troops will be able to march 1300 kms from iranian border to istanbul passing all through Anatolia without a resistance ? Where did you had the idea that almost 20M Turks in Iran will watch this ? Where you also had the idea that NATO will watch as well as others ?
You are pushing too hard , let it go..
Indeed you should…
Russia and Iran already put you in your place in North Syria and Iraq.
Keep doing what you are doing and watch what happens…
U.S., UK, France, Germany already sanctioning you…
They see you as vassals and not as allies, they wont help you.
In fact the CIA wanted to tople Erdogan a few years back and its mainly thanks to Putin it didnt succeed.
Bye.
How Russia and Iran put us ” into our place ‘ ? What kind of russian presence there is in Iraq , how iran put TR in its place while TR is 100 km inside Iraq ? Ditto for Syria while TR holds Idlib , Afrin and Al bab with numerous other towns .
So lets sum up yr claims , Iran will alllow about 2-3 million russian soldiers on their land , they will attack TR from the most mountenous region of Anatolia , they will come fight their way to Istanbul ( 1300 kms ) invade a city of 20 million with their remaining soldiers . Ah sorry they will also use 2-300 cruise missiles. And , leave aside all Turkish army , noone will help – Everyone will watch the collapse of NATO eastern flank . Why ? Because some russian adoring Hungarian guy thinks so.
I am trying to be patient , but there is a level of stupidty I can take. And you are about to exceed the same.
Dude , you are living in a dream world. decades of russian invasion melted yr brain , stockholm syndrome I suppose.
You shouldnt rely only on Turkish news sources…
Turkey wanted to take Idlib, they failed, most your observation posts are now manned by the SAA.
You wanted to wipe out Kurds in the border region, that failed too.
Most of Iraq is now under Iranian control too.
Iraqi secret service is run by Russia nowdays.
Oh you didn’t know that…?
Too bad…
And Nagarno-Karabah… Russia was patient because the Armenian leadership are retards a bunch if CIA/soros traitors but Russia only had to lift its pinky and the whole conflict was frozen.
You said you dobtt want a new Ottoman Empire, but when I point out that you couldnt even have one you are offended, Turkey is a strong country but lets face it you had 700years to take over the region and Europe on top, the window of opportunity has closed.
Thanks for your patience ?
Bye.
I don’t rely on TR news , but unlike you I don’t believe everthing I read here as well. Anyone who knew a few things about SCW is aware that
South of M4 and east of M5 would be left to SAA sooner or later , fyg -an
important part of Idlib is still under control of the opposition, just like
Northern Syria is under Turkish control now. Please always keep this in mind when you are posting something.
While you are claiming about TR failing to wipe out Kurdish separatism in her border , can you show me where is that ‘Rojava’ now ? What happened to it ? What happened to terror camps in Iraq ?
Northern Iraq is not under Iranian control , Iran can only project power where shia majority lives. Iraqi secret service is not under Russian control as well. If you don’t believe , ask Suleimani. Lets do not confuse realities with yr Russophile dreams.
Defending yr borders is slighly different from reviving an old empire. While you and other Russophiles can not say a word or may not question
what Russia is doing thousands of miles away from home or what Iran does in Yemen, we can see all of these.
Finally , your historical traumatic experiences and fears from a long gonre Ottoman empire are not our concern . People like you and some triggered iranians who feel the change may not like it., but get used to it. Things are different now and will stay that way.
Nobody wants a neo ottoman empire, not even sunni arabs.
So you keep doing what you are doing and you will face half the middle east+Russia +Iran.
Attaturk pacified Turks for a reason, he knew it’s either playing ball or ending up in history books amongst countries that doesn’t exist anymore.
Most of us dont want either , why we should sacrifice ourselves for an imaginery empire and try to live with people which we don’t have in common ?. I am asking you to explain yr stupidity and how ‘ constantinople’ will be taken back , but you are reverting with bullshit.
Thats what happens when you dont address your point directly and try to express yourself with childish Youtube arguments.
It could be taken back in an all out war when you lose.
But taking it back is the wrong term, as probably there would be nothing left, imagine Berlin after WWII.
I’m not threatening you, I’m only saying what will probably happen if you guys keep expanding.
Russia and Iran won’t tolerate any destabilization and you are one step away from crossing the red line.
Turkey has the second most powerful military in Europe after Russia.
But make no mistake, you are a regional power they are back in the Super-Power status.
Putin and Russia wants good relations but not at all cost.
Also let’s not forget if not for Russia you would be a CIA colony now.
It was Putin whom saved Erdogans life, he bought him an hour of extra time with a phone call…
truely a christmas gift for the russians XD
Erdogan->> Hitler 2.0
I somewhat doubt that Erdo or his son will be alive to see this fantasy :)
” How that could actually happen in reality, remains a mystery.”
It always will do :)
Delusional twats, no part of Russia is part of the ‘Turkic world’. The Khanates & Ottomans were defeated long ago and their remnant populations are mostly just minorities now. Even Chechnya doesn’t want to be allied with the Sultan.
I don’t think even erdogan is crazy enough to take on russia and china
Turkey to take on China, Russia and Iran? ROFL Good luck with that.
Like Obama?
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So they found the Ark and they’re fighting over that relic again eh?