ARJ21-700. Click to see full-size image
On August 30th, China’s three biggest airlines all announced that they would each purchase 35 ARJ21-700 regional jets.
The ARJ21-700 are indigenous jets, manufactured by Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC).
As per a transaction disclosure document the catalogue price of one of the jets stands at $38 million, with the price including the airframe and engine.
This puts each 35-aircraft order at a list-value of US$1.33 billion with the total being 105 aircraft worth just under US$4 billion.
According to Reuters the deliveries are to take place between 2020 and 2024.
Furthermore, it is quite clear that purchasing 35 ARJ21-700 regional jets warrants some sort of reduction in price for the bulk purchase, as per China Southern’s filing.
“The aggregate actual consideration for the Comac Aircraft, which is payable in cash, and determined after an arm’s length negotiation between the parties, is considerably lower than the catalogue price as provided by Comac because of the price concessions granted by Comac in relation to the Comac Aircraft.”
As per COMAC itself, the ARJ21-700 is the first short-medium range turbofan regional aircraft independently developed by China in accordance with international civil aviation regulations, it owns independent intellectual property right, and is also the first aircraft of which the Type Certification application is submitted to Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) according to FAR25.
The ARJ21 has a layout of 78 to 90 seats, and a range of 2,225 to 3,700 kilometers.
ARJ21-700 aircraft obtained the Type Certificate from Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) on December 30th, 2014 and the Production Certificate (PC) from CAAC on July 9th, 2017.So far, ARJ21-700 aircraft have been entered into route operation formally.
A total of 596 orders have been obtained from 22 customers.
It appears to be very similar to the MD-80, for which there is a construction license in China, but COMAC maintains that the ARJ21-700 is an original design.
MD-80 passenger jet. Click to see full-size image
ARJ21-700. Click to see full-size image
The ARJ21-700 is long in the making, with the project beginning in March 2002, as part of the “10th Five-Year Plan” of China.
Back then the project was under the ACAC consortium, which was also state-owned. In 2009 the consortium was reorganized and became a part of COMAC.
The initial maiden flight was planned to take place in 2005, with passenger flights beginning 18 months later. The design work was delayed and the final trial production stage did not begin until June 2006.
In total, the program suffered 8 years of delays.
Its very first prototype was finished on December 21st, 2007, with its maiden flight planned for 2008. It was then delayed to September 21st, 2008, and finally took place on November 28th, 2008. The aircraft finally completed a long-distance test flight on July 15th, 2009.
The second ARJ21 prototype completed the same test flight on August 24th, 2009. The third prototype completed its first test flight on September 12th, 2009. The fourth aircraft completed its tests in November 2010.
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The ACAC consortium initially aimed to manufacture 11 ARJ21s a year by 2010, and 30 per year by 2015. Despite these plans, ACAC only managed to build 10 aircraft by 2016, and 10 deliveries by 2018.
In November 2010, an ARJ21 wing failed to reach the predicted load rating during static testing. The wing’s failure then led the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) to limit the aircraft’s flight envelope during its flight test program. The new delivery date was then set at the end of 2011. After various problems, in 2012 it appeared that the jet could finally be mass-produced and receive certification.
Following that, it took a while for the ARJ21 to get United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) type certification, to be allowed on the global aviation market. There were hopes by COMAC to get FAA certification in 2012, 2013, 2014.
After years of delays, and finally receiving a shadow certification from the FAA, the first jet was delivered to Chengdu Airlines on November 29th 2015. So far, as of 2016, the AJR21-700 has an aviation type certification from the from the Republic of Congo, which is as lackluster as it sounds.
As of September 2019, neither the US Federal Aviation Administration nor the European Aviation Safety Agency have certified the jet, so it still can’t be sold everywhere.
The purchase of the AJR21-700 by the three biggest Chinese airlines has all the necessary markings of a government initiative to motivate Chinese companies to use the indigenous jet and boost the national economy.
According to FlightGlobal, China Eastern says its order will address a “shortage of feeder capacity” and improve its network. China Southern makes a similar statement and says the order will “strengthen the support of the trunk-routes market” and “further expand the market coverage.”
It is also quite suspect that China Eastern, China Southern and China Western simply decided to announce a purchase of the AJR21-700 on the same day.
Prior to this, only small Chinese airlines such as Chengdu Airlines and Genghis Khan Airlines have the ARJ21 of part of their fleets. Major orders of Chinese-made aircraft would ensure that money stays in the country instead of leaving for the competition.
Mitsubishi and Embraer are much more established in the region.
In comparison, Russia’s indigenous Irkut MC-21 passenger jet is an example of a complete lack of protectionism and supporting the domestic industry. The passenger jet is reportedly better than the aging Boeing 737 MAX, and at the same time the only thing the Russian government has done was to “suggest” that a company which has a long-standing history of using only the 737 should potentially purchase MC-21. And that was it.
No other large or small companies were offered to purchase anything, and they’ve not suggested to purchase the jet. There’s also been no potential government funding, tax cuts, or any incentives to purchase the jets.
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Russia in in business with Boeing. But Boeing is atm a “dead brand flying”. So, Russia had his own plane ready to use when Boeing will be definitely dead
Boeing is definitely dead now, check out the Moon of Alabama series on this. The 737 MAX itself has already gave Boeing $10b of loss so far. And it’s far from over, it may take a full year to get it flying. Problems are getting uncovered with other models too. MC-21 definitely should be pushed now. This is a golden opportunity.
yes, it is. I think it is not a coincidence the first airline company to sue Boeing is a Russian company ;-)
“In comparison, Russia’s indigenous Irkut MC-21 passenger jet
is an example of a complete lack of protectionism and supporting the
domestic industry. The passenger jet is reportedly better than the aging
Boeing 737 MAX, and at the same time the only thing the Russian
government has done was to “suggest” that a company which has a
long-standing history of using only the 737 should potentially purchase
MC-21. And that was it.
No other large or small companies
were offered to purchase anything, and they’ve not suggested to
purchase the jet. There’s also been no potential government funding, tax
cuts, or any incentives to purchase the jets.”
Seems the officials and politicians prefer being greased by Boeing $ instead of pushing national cooperations.
At least here in the EU politic pushed Airbus and with that secured tens of thousands of well paying jobs, generating IP, exports and high tech knowledge.
Since Putin loosened his grip, everything seems to crumble.. But he still is in charge and responsible, so it would be nice to know why he does not appoint someone who fights this corruption.
Sadly it seems to be this way in many more areas.
Is he thinking he will be out soon, and is now loosing his grip in order to “prepare” the officials under him for a future without his control? Or what is the reason? It is puzzling.
in Russia since 1989, a private company is a private company. Do you think the government could and should impose what a private airline should buy?
Said that, Boeing has manifacturing in Russia and buy components from other Russian’s factories. These are jobs not only money
http://www.boeing.ru/
https://www.rbth.com/business/2017/08/24/how-boeing-and-airbus-use-russias-expertise-to-develop-their-airplanes_827604
https://www.designnews.com/materials-assembly/boeing-joins-russias-vsmpo-avisma-meet-titanium-demands-787-dreamliner/175184479251310
Just like Southfront, i think Russia should act like almost any other country, which support their local economy on important key industry parts.
That is a common practice all over the world, not only in the US and EU, but also in Asia, Middle East, Africa, Australia… And it is also in other parts of the Russian economy.
Talk of “free market” aside, this is the reality, and it is making sense on very many levels.
The current cooperation with Boeing stems from a time when, according to Putins own interview, the new cold war against Russia was not obvious.
But now, in this day and age of US aggression, supporting such an integral company of a country that attacks Russia on nearly every level is a bad policy in many ways.
And as i said, those officials that are responsible are neoliberals and ideologically attached to the west, and to the benefits they reap from this connection.
It is puzzling that this faction even gained power in last years, and even though Putin resisted to put someone like Kudrin into a minister post like it was planned, he did not put him and his fellow out of power.
Its folks like Kudrin who even half openly advocate the interests of the western elite and deep state, and still get away with that.
And please, spare me with that “a private company is a private company” theoretical BS.
Jeltsin and his US masters lay the groundwork for this state, with Business and Politics between in Symbiosis. And even though Jetsin approved Putin did much to at least somewhat get control into this mess, the same people as under Jeltsin still have their businesses, their connections to local and federal gov officials, to police and policy makers.
And sadly even if Putin would put them all to justice, the whole system would fall apart. Their capital is too big too fail, making them virtually untouchable, just like the big banks in the west.
Sad but true. Here and there.
“And please, spare me with that “a private company is a private company” theoretical BS.”
well, in China a private company is NOT a private company. BS too? ;-)
the time change everithing, wait until the western financial system crack down, and you will see how Russia will clean all their trash(read oligarchs)
We were talking about Russia. But never mind.
And yeah, a crash is only a matter of time. And when it happens, it will take the Russian Oligarchs down, as much as they are intertwined with the western economy.
Problem is, this will lead to eroding the wages, pensions even more, and people would be fearing rightly for a 1990s replay.
That is exactly why it is important for any economy to be self-reliant in crucial industries, and strengthen local companies when possible, to minimize the fallout from western sanctions and crashes.
Sadly maybe this is the only way to get rid of the rotten parts of the economy and administrative officials. To start new, without the ballast of the 1990s Jeltsin state.
Sadly it will be the “small people” to pay in any crisis. The Oligarchs will just move to Israel, Cyprus, UK and the US and will be greeted with a kiss by their corrupt elite.
If they sit in Moscow or Tel Aviv drinking cocktails with hookers dont matter much to them i guess anyway.
Russia is just self reliant. Combined with India and China economic deals is near invulnerable. Yes, the real big problem is the lack of sovereignty on its central bank. But imagine the day the western financial system go down; it will be the best moment to change the constitution and re-nationalize the Russian Bank. Do it and purchasing power of ruble will be a no problem. Why you think Russia amassed so many gold!? They are ready for that moment
I agree that this may be the best moment, it may even be the only opportunity.
And Russia has gone through enormous lengths to prepare indeed.
Still, it is sad, that even in this chance, the “normal” people will have to pay in a crash, while the Oligarchs will just fly to the next tax haven.
They are also prepared for all options. Even though i would like to see them being brought to justice.
Sadly i would not count too much on China in a crash. China is even more intertwined with the west. It benefits china now, as the US is struggling to “contain” China and break of the US and west from China.
But one reason china is not escalating as much as some hoped, is that China is extremely depended on their exports, and any hit on the global and western economies will hit china at least equally hard.
They also prepared, but also declared themselves that everyone would lose in such a scenario, China included.
With Russia’s business and economic policy in the hands of people like western love Kudrin, and Russian economic teaching at the university being deeply influenced by US and neoliberal economic theories, they have the power on economic policy firmly in their hand.
When a crisis comes, it will hurt Russia hard, no matter the gold reserves, they can not compensate years of crisis. And with nearly all “experts” on economy in Russia being influenced by western dogma, it will be hard to impossible to find replacements IF there would be a popular demand by the people leading to a campaign to “clean house”.
Anyway, it will be a year, maybe decade long crisis, economic and political, which even most people looking for change in Russia would want to avoid. Even if it would clean house, the cost of it would be hard to bear by the public, who can still remember vividly the 1990s.
So it is a mess, no matter from what perspective of possible solution one looks at it. Though the coming crisis may give the chance for a clean start, it is a tough price to pay for the “normal people”, while those elites responsible will just move to their offshore accounts.
We will see what happens when Putin goes. If a crisis does not hit before, it will be then when things will get seriously messy.
And i doubt envy the Russians for that future.
You seemes to forget Western Economics are much stronger then You think and its very affiliated fx with China.
So if “West” goes down, the rest will be hurt very much too.
I dont see west declining. We produce as before and even more. The big difference is China and a few other newcommers makes the cake bigger.
When I see the big Chinese devellopment plan for Asia, I see all those Chinese as well as Russians and Indians, which today are very, very poor. Its fine for me someone like China finally takes care of its own.
As usual in the kind of predictions You declaime, You dont campere with the low level of Your own hardly having any tools tochange that.
Low level by that must be down to Yours spending changing and wasting our money into liras, rial, syrian pounds and rubels. You forget, You wont rise as well insisting in no change hardly participating in anything.
Its very difficult to work as little as You, and if You do – You have big unimployments – we have to be ineffective too and dont work and get paid pr hour. Men will get cars and vomen some flowers for doin th same job as well.
Boeing is in Russia for titanium, without which Boeing can’t manufacture any airplanes.
I guarantee you the only indigenous part of this thing is the sheetmetal.
You mean like how the only way the USA could get a rocket into space was with Nazi engineers and scientists and since they all died or retired the USA has relied on buying engines from Russia to get heavy shit into space.
Seems to me the USA hasn’t been able to produce a single weapon worth a fuck since the last of the Operation Paperclip guys died. They were the ones responsible for the original stealth aircraft.
Maybe it’s time to invade Iran …. I hear they have some pretty good scientists and engineers to kidnap.
an educational system that want you to be dumb cannot made you a genius. NWO fail
I’m not an American however I was there attending a conference on recruiting apprentices for the trades. In our country we require a high school diploma with a 75% grade 11 math to qualify as an apprentice then it’s a 8400 hour program with 24 weeks of classroom training and a qualifying exam. Their suggestion for fertile grounds to find potential tradesmen was prisons and the special ed class and as for apprenticeship there are no standards or curriculum or licensing for all but a few trades. You wonder why the USA is coming apart at the seams …. there’s your answer. If it wasn’t for smart and ambitious Mexicans sneaking across the border US infrastructure would fall apart. They educate lawyers and MBa’s at twice the rate of anyone in the world but the foundation their country is based on learn their job by watching youtube and home depot seminars.
China steals $300 billion worth of intellectual property from the US annually, so we must be producing something of worth.
$300 billion according to who? Show me the proof that the theft actually took place and a neutral third party confirmed the value of the claim.
I could claim the Chinese hacked my computer and stole all my intellectual property in the form of photos from my family vacation to wally World. The pictures were priceless but if I had to put a price on them I’d say a $$ billion.
You can now change your post to read $301 billion.
“Russia’s indigenous Irkut MC-21 passenger jet is an example of a
complete lack of protectionism and supporting the domestic industry”
Big-big error. A show of stupidity. Unfortunately, Putin seems to take seriously the capitalist BS. From distance what is good in Russia seems to be the heritage of Soviet past including planned and integrated industry. There are signs that Putin and his circle want “markets” and whatever BS that entail. The debacle with the pension funds comes from the same idiocy.
Word. It is the neoliberal ideology that is wreaking havoc, not only on their US inventors (karma is a bitch) but also on the semi-colonies that out EU is, and what many don’t want to see, in Russia too.
From the 1990s to today.
A good thing since last year the patriotic people are waking up, no matter if united Russia voters, social democrats, nationalists, the left the right. The pension reform was the straw that broke the camels back. Leading now to the fact, that united Russia candidates decided to candidate as independent in the Moscow election to not be tainted by the name of the party that brought these pseudo reforms. Still puzzling why Putin does not intervene and offers a compromise on this matter, with this being the first issue that brought his loyal voters up against him.
Without that toxic policy the now forming broad opposition would have never happened this way. But now his former loyal support base is eroding dramatically, pushing them into opposition they had never been in. Until last year most opposition was mostly the small pro western urban elite, now it is the broad public.
Puzzling how he holds onto this policy that could break down everything he built for decades.
“Until last year most opposition was mostly the small pro western urban elite, now it is the broad public. Puzzling how he holds onto this policy that could break down everything he built for decades.”
Exactly. And this is perplexing to watch (even from my the outside, in my case the EU).
China, Russia and Iran should cooperate in aviation and aerospace R&D and technology and can produce better quality and more reliable aircraft than the Americunt arseholes Boeing 737Max and 777X shitbox, both of which are having severe problems after being outsources to $9 an hour “engineers” in India. The quality of Chinese cars now is pretty good and far better than Americunt junk.
Airlines and FAA worry that trust issues will further delay the new Boeing 777X and the doomed 737Max and domestic and foreign airlines cancel orders after a number of unsettling accidents. A 777X lost its cargo door during a trial flight last week.
“777X shitbox”
This is breathtaking. They fcuked up one model, the 737 MAX. Okay, one can claim this is something that happened once, a single fcukup. Now it turns out that one of their other milk cows is also fcuked. There must be some serious shxt at Boeing.
Indeed, it also shows general malaise, corruption and decay in deadbeat Americunt society bankrupted by Jews. Boeing is going the way of the third rate Americunt car industry that had to be bailed out repeatedly and even that has not helped. US is finished as a manufacturing country.
It’s unfortunate that the (self-admitted) fascist @smoothieX12:disqus is so quick with the ban hammer. Authoritarian censorship seems to be the weapon of choice on blogs when their propaganda is ineffectual.
I was going to post the following to him: “For what it’s worth, this article encapsulates my understanding of post World War II fascism. https://www.libraryofsocialscience.com/ideologies/resources/griffin-the-palingenetic-core/ I don’t consider Russia needing to be reborn from decadence.”
He deleted my comment (where I also came to the conclusion that he is (at least proto-)fascist) but he didn’t ban me. I think he has a bad conscience about this, he feels we are right. I keep up commentary there anyway :)
The owner of the blog, smoothie, looks on the young side. Hopefully he’ll wisen up.
I really liked your comment here — https://disqus.com/home/discussion/httpsmoothiex12blogspotcom/reminiscence_of_the_future_the_west_is_finished/#comment-4636205780 — but I couldn’t up vote it. Keep up the good commentary there.
Do my best :)
And I for one appreciate it.
lacking an industrial policy, the US is nearly irrelevant except as a consumerist society, plagued by a growing debt and negative balance of trade— that produces nearly nothing—unlike Russia, china, Japan and many European nations…the US exports nearly nothing, except weapons and some agricultural products to Mexico; China was previously the main destination for US agricultural products, vehicles, aircraft—no longer, following recent imposition of tariffs….as the dollar becomes irrelevant, nations such as Russia and China r stockpiling gold…likely the USA has none
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/
You seemes not to know, what cosuming is. Cosuming is, when You get the things before that in thepriority list such as food, house, clothe and like that.
When consumtion is low, it s becauses there is no money for it. Impressing You can be proud of so many fx russians live from day to day.
utter stupidity—as Durkheim observed, consumerism produces a shallow national character…of course Americans r considered to be extraordinarily shallow by europeans and S. Amerikans….obviously u r entirely ignorant of both sociology and anthropology…it is well known that many cultures people do not consume when they possess gold, money etc….can u be more stupid?
GDP is irrelevant; (PPP is what matters); 55% of amerikans cannot absorb a $400 emergency. 3 individuals own more than 50% of the wealth in the USA…your xenophobia and ignorance is unsurprising
https://oec.world/en/profile/country/usa/ telling they are the third largets exporters in the world.
USA is a home market of 327 million people. They mainly produce vey much by and for themselves
Whats better – being Kuwait only exporting oil even needing to import first class sand for their svimmingpool cleaners.
Of course USA mainly export to countries, which has money and for it and biy toomuch from the outside.
GDP is very relevent, bacause its a machine, which right away can procuce a lot of stuff, whatver the worker are poor or not.
You are right of the lack of safety net and partly about the ownership, but they have choosen to build their state like that. Its not mine. I am from Scandinavia and prefare more safety for all and much more then Sanders and Warren.
What You write here is PROPAGANDA. You have taken out ALL the good parts.
u r entirely ignorant— u provide false propaganda…the major exports by US r weapons, warplanes, etc, coerced by threats (Turkey rejected them)…China was the only nation that purchased US vehicles, soy beans, now boycotted….r u this stupid? the vast majority of consumer products in the USA r imported….and what US products r found in Scandinavia? the appliances and vehicles r mainly German or Swedish….and many consumer products r imports from 3rd world nations—your agricultural products come from Israel, turkey, etc….u deny reality
I got it. Up to Stalin and Allah and like him get a 72 years old virgin :)
Since when did the MD-80 become a humpback?
Even the chinks know to stay away from Russian built junk EH .