Su-57 fighter jet. Sergei Bobylev/TASS
The Russian news agency TASS reports (source):
Some onboard systems for Russia’s future 6th-generation fighter jet are being tested aboard the Su-57 fighter, a source in the domestic aircraft-building industry told TASS on Monday.
“There are no plans to create the unmanned version of the Su-57. It is currently being used to test some systems of the future sixth-generation fighter jet, which will be a drone in its baseline version and only optionally piloted,” the source said.
The systems undergoing trials involve “control and navigation equipment and weapon systems,” the source said.
Russia’s United Aircraft-Building Corporation declined to comment on this information for TASS.
Specialists note that the sixth-generation fighter plane features the ability to accomplish combat unmanned missions and artificial intelligence, the availability of the radio-photonic radar and the potential to develop the hypersonic speed and enter outer space and the possibility to use weapons based on new physical principles.
The Russian fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jet features stealth technology with the broad use of composite materials, is capable of maintaining supersonic cruising speed and is furnished with the most advanced onboard radio-electronic equipment, including a powerful onboard computer (the so-called electronic second pilot), the radar system spread across its body and some other innovations, in particular, armament placed inside its fuselage. These planes are expected to arrive for the troops in 2019. The pilot batch will comprise 12 Sy-57 planes.
The system that seemed most revolutionary were the photonic radar. Deployment of such systems is still years away but that has the potential to have a revolutionary impact as a stealth killer http://tass.com/defense/1012445
It’s small size and power consumption will make it available for use on aircraft.
Again, there is the misuse of the term ‘generation’ of aircaft, but everyone does that…
I’m not an engineer, but couldn’t remote piloting compromise stealth? Just because an enemy can’t decode communications doesn’t mean they can’t tell where it is.
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So the Russians are finally ironning out the last details of their design, but they don’t mention any plans to upgrade? They don’t have all the streamlining techniques in to make it totally invisible yet. On the other hand there are other projects that demand attention.
What is the fascination with total stealth? Air defenses employing multiple band radars can locate and identify stealth. Many claim that a weapon lock is not possible, I think they are blowing smoke in their propaganda to uphold the supposed stealth invincibility.
If stealth were such a thing the israeli would be flying their f35 across syria right now bombing syrian decades old air defenses with 0 resistence.
Stealth is good to fight countries without any sort of modern radar systems or aii defenses.
Good point. If F-35 is so friggin awesome as the LM circle-jerking fan-bois say, why don’t the IAF penetrate Syrian airspace?
Probably cuz the Syrians were joking when they said they damaged an F-35 flying above the Golan…. bird strike? Ha!
Well, they tryed once but hostile bird (how dare they!) put and end to that adventure.
LOL! ”Circle-Jerking” fan-boys is exactly the right term to use for these american patriotarts.
Reducing radar observability (sexy word for it is “stealth”) won’t go away anytime soon, but it isn’t the ace it’s made out to be. It is meant against an adversary that relies on radar air defence. It simply reduces the time the adversary has for responding to incursions, and lowers the AA missiles’ successful strike rate. Most missions with such aircraft would still rely on terrain features, speed, and some holes punched into the radar coverage by some means.
There is a compromise, dedicating an airplane entirely to stealth affects its performance. And radar detection technology is increasing at a pace stealth can not match.
I think stealth wil always be something engineers will value, but they won’t be eager to jeopardize general airplane performance to stealth only… and think that is exactly what happens with su57, russian engineers understand how much radar technology is developing and just made the rational decision of not commiting too much of the airplane ot stealth.
In the end I think if you’re really going to invest in a stealth plane it should be an dedicated stealth bomber like the f-117, not a multi-role aircraft or fighter, just a tactical bomber desgined 100% to be stealthy and carry bombs and air to ground missiles.
It is not even certain there is a role for a stealth bomber. GPS and other technologies make it less necessary to conduct deep penetration raids with manned aircraft. With F22 the thinking seems to have been that you demolish your aerial opponent before he sees you. With Russian integrated radar, where the Russian pilots benefit from S400 radar and other sources the F22 advantage is seriously diminished. Overall no pilot will hang their life from a hope that stealth will save their bacon. It might, but it seems more and more of a gamble.
Not only s400, su57 have L band radars which can detect the aproximate location of a stealth plane, an air group can make a much more precise picture, then lock more precise radars on that position.
And then again, if f22 pilot whishes to be stealth he can’t use his radar also, so he relies on passive radar (just like his enemy) and other sources of information, on an unlikely scenario of RussiaXUSA war you can say goodbye to satelite information, they owuld be jammed or destroyed, then it boils down to AWACS (would be target from long distance by interceptors), and ground radars, so the leverage depends if you are fighting in enemy territory or in your own.
You had to tell it to Ygoslavian AD before they downed F117.
You’re right, but don’t forget I said IF first… in the end what is a tactical stealth bomber? I would say it is just a weapon of aggression to bomb poor countries with no defense, the world doesn’t need more weapon like that, too many already…
Yeah, it supposed to be good but they forgot to inform old Yugoslavian S125 that it doesn’t suppose to lock on stealth and that led to disaster with F117.
The example you give is incomplete.
I think that before Israel should learn how to avoid flocks of birds. Seems that Syrian airspace is full of them, probably a sign from God.
What until photonic radars come along with processing power that will make current AESA look like a hand-held flashlight… Stealth has a use-by date and is not the magic bullet/game changer that US aerospace corporations say it is (they say that shite to sell more planes and rake in mega-profit on the taxpayers dime).
It’s annoying that people can argue that stealth is obsolete one moment but then argue that Russian stealth tech places them miles ahead of everyone else.
It really makes me question your motives…
Explain then the thousands of combat missions the F22&B2 fly without loss? In most cases if a stealth plane is close enough to be clearly visible on radar then the noise of engines could be targeted. At this point there is not anything that can defeat Radar Asorbing Materials (RAM), but that is not nearly the only factor.
This is why the SU-57 is going into limited production, since it isn’t stealthy enough to reliable blitz past defenses the range of missions it can take is more limited. But they can be deployed in small numbers to take on only crucial missions.
It’s annoying that people can argue that stealth is obsolete one moment but then argue that Russian stealth tech places them miles ahead of everyone else.
The Su-57 isnt going into limited production. The whole project is being dropped.
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/07/russia-cancels-stealth-su-57-but-will-make-improved-su-35.html
Keep dreaming :) Guys… are you really that stupid or do you hope that others are so dumb to believe yur BS? That link…seriously?
I was wondering when an idiot was going to post this piece of fake news here. The Russian ordered 12 SU57 for the armed forces but saw no need to mass produce the aircraft at present., a western idiot came up with the conclusion that the SU57 has issues and is being cancelled. Talk about drawing conclusions from thin air.
But then again didnt they say the first sea based cruise missiles to hit their terrorist in Syria fell in Iran..lol
Possibly the russians learned a thing or two from observing the whole F35 fiasco
F22s and B2s never had to deal with S400 defenses, they operated in an environment where US had complete air superiority against non existing air defenses.
Russian Suk 57 is much better than F35, since it is highly maneuverable and marginally better than F22, US BVR prowess is a myth using missiles that have been outclassed,
R37 is much better than AMRAAM in range and speed.
Hence the F22 was dubbed as the “sniper”, unfortunately it lacks the sniping tools needed against other “snipers” that will be aiming against them.
Russian air blitz will have no problem against weak air defenses
like Patriot, and surgical EW warfare to debilitate communication and various critical linkages that are essential to NATO’s mode of operation.
Reading between the lines I see you don’t know half as much as you pretend to. But since no amount of research can ever convert someone from UFO style logic, I will not bother responding to the angry reply to this comment.
What are you reading between the lines? I see you as a confused puppy who claims “”Explain then the thousands of combat missions the F22&B2 fly without loss?”””
I answered to you, they were flown against none existing defenses, I don’t see where you see anger in my response.
I pretend to know things?
What I know is conveyed verbally as I post, if you want to correct me you can.
If you can’t, then maintain a neutral posture, instead of running your mouth as others do. Try to be civil.
Neither do you. The reason the production of the Su 57 is only limited to 12, is because they are waiting for the final tests on the new Engine. Besides that they feel that the Su30,Su35 is more than good enough to compete agiants the F15,18,35 and 22. Ask the F22 pilots inSyria, the will tell you exaclty that!
The R77 is in the same class of the AMRAAM.
R37 is a larger missile carried by MiG-31s and possibly SU-57s. It detains the current record for an air to air kill distance at 301 Kms.
R77 is deadly, compared to AMRAM it is slightly subpar based on analyses I saw, however, you never know the actual performance unless it is combat tested.
AMRAAM in BVR role is not very accurate possibly 50%
US does nor have a long range missile over 200-300kms range.
Suk 35S can deploy the R-37 as well.
IR can target RAM, since flying supersonically will heat up the RAM, turning on the radar to search for enemy aircraft will identify the stealth fighter regardless of RAM, opening the weapon bay doors to release weapons will identify the stealth, RAM is not some magic remedy, stealth aircraft have a lot of downtime so that RAM coating can be applied and reapplied.
Suk 57 is waiting for it’s proper engines to be manufactured and delivered, the 12 units + the existing 10 have the Suk 35 engines.
There actually are definitions for 4th, 5th, and 6th generation aircraft.
6th generation aircraft fly at speeds that almost require pilotless operation. Transmitting to an aircraft doesn’t compromise a position that much, when an aircraft has to broadcast a signal that is when it becomes more electronically visible. That is why there are so many fantastic claims regarding the F35’s passive sensor capability which I have no idea how accurate they are.
Yes, but the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generations refered to how in the cold war every 2 decades boths sides invented a whole new set of fighters that totally surpass the last generation which was usually sold at discounts to allies.
Given the nature of tech development over the last 30 years existing planes more often than not are given internal modifications so that a 4th generation plane can theoretically out perform a 5th generation (depending how you measure).
I think you will find that the Su-57 is plenty stealthy already, and simply because its appearance is not same as US aircraft doesn’t mean the Russians are somehow ignorant on how stealth tech works. Seppo propaganda about the Su-57 is just that – empty headed name-calling and piss-taking.
That must be why the Russians decided to kill the entire project. It was just too good.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/russias-stealthkiller-fighter-project-has-been-abandoned/news-story/03e50ea76d6a5dfb5aaac69b9c75fbd6
notice the article has no sources..
lololololololol.
according to western sources, the russians “killed the project” 4 or 5 times already.
then SU-57s started dropping bombs on their ragheaded pets in Syria.
But keep living in denial.
“They don’t have all the streamlining techniques in to make it totally invisible yet.”(c) What? Totally invisible? Are you for real?
Excuse me, semantics. I assumed it was common to say invisible when communicating that something was undetectable by radar.
Ah, the internet…
“but couldn’t remote piloting compromise stealth?”
Yes.
The point is that real “stealth” actually cannot be attained, so it’s a bad idea to renounce everything else to it.
at “6th generation”, planes are able to see each other, stealth or not. Actually it’s already true today, see the incident where Indian SU-30s tracked and intercepted Chinese “stealth” fighters.
Let me put it this way, large caliber bullets have larger radar signatures that the frontal cross section of the B-2. The criticism of the SU-57 and J-20 are that they’re roughly 100 times more visible than the thus far immortal F-22.
Also deferring to my earlier comment “It’s annoying that people can argue that stealth is obsolete one moment but then argue that Russian stealth tech places them miles ahead of everyone else.”
“the potential to develop the hypersonic speed and enter outer space and the possibility to use weapons based on new physical principles.”
Sounds like the capabilities of this 6th gen fighter are well fleshed out already!