The Turkish survey vessel at the centre of the stand off
Developments are accelerating in the maritime boundary dispute between Turkey and Greece. Belligerent statements and threats by senior government officials from both countries, accompanied by multiple military deployments and standoffs, are still far outpacing diplomatic efforts to head off an impending clash between the two NATO members.
NATO member state Turkey is blocking a decision by the military alliance to provide support to the EU’s Sea-Guardian mission monitoring the UN arms embargo of Libya. The EU mission is supposed to inspect vessels in the area suspected of carrying arms or other contraband to Libya. However, Turkey is the largest military supporter of the Government of National Accord in Tripoli and has sent over ten thousand military personnel and armed fighters (mostly mercenaries and ‘jihadists’) as well as advanced weapons by air and sea.
The Sea-Guardian mission has been unable to fulfil its objectives, because the cargo ships transporting the weapons and fighters are being escorted by the Turkish navy which are preventing inspections from taking place. In one instance, a French frigate was locked onto by the fire control radar of a Turkish warship when it attempted to inspect a ship presumably loaded with weapons and/ or mercenaries.
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg had said on Wednesday at a meeting of EU defence ministers in Berlin that there were no new developments on the subject. However, he said that they were still considering how they could cooperate with the EU operation. LINK
In other developments, Greece’s national parliament has ratified an accord on maritime boundaries with Egypt, hours after Turkey extended the operation of a seismic survey vessel in the Eastern Mediterranean and announced that it will hold live-fire military exercises in the region next week.
The Athens-Cairo agreement is widely perceived as a response to the accord signed in 2019 by the Government of National Accord in Libya allowing Turkey access to areas in the region where large hydrocarbon deposits have been discovered.
Under their treaty, Egypt and Greece are now legally authorised (by their respective national laws) to initiate exploration and exploitation of the resources available in their respective exclusive economic zones, including oil and gas reserves.
A similar accord between Italy and Greece was approved on Wednesday.
Greek government spokesman Stelios Petsas on Thursday said “their ratification is urgent” given “Turkey’s illegal activities”.
Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis told parliament another bill will extend Greece’s coastal zone in the Ionian Sea from six to 12 nautical miles under international maritime conventions.
Earlier on Thursday, the Turkish navy issued the latest advisory, known as a Navtex, saying it will hold ‘gunnery exercises’ in the Eastern Mediterranean off the coast of Iskenderun, northeast of Cyprus on September 1 and 2.
It also extended the seismic work of the Oruc Reis vessel southwest of Cyprus, until September 1.
Greece says the Turkish advisories are illegal.
As other international actors are being drawn into the dispute, France announced on Wednesday that it was joining military exercises with Italy, Greece and Cyprus in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman Hami Aksoy said the deployment of French military aircraft in Cyprus violated treaties regarding the control and administration of the island after its independence from Britain in 1960, and that France’s actions are encouraging Greece and Cyprus to escalate tensions in the region to dangerous levels.
Cyprus was divided in two in 1974 following a Turkish invasion, which they claimed was in response to an attempted coup supported by Greece. Turkey recognises the Turkish-populated north of Cyprus as a separate state under its protection, a claim which is not recognised by other countries.
A dispute over maritime borders and resource rights near the island of Cyprus has reignited the long-running territorial disputes between Greece and Turkey, with the two countries staging parallel naval drills and manoeuvres in the disputed area.
The European Union has threatened Turkey with economic sanctions unless it halts the gas exploration activities it is undertaking in disputed maritime areas.
EU foreign secretary Josep Borrell announced on Friday that the bloc wanted to give “a serious chance to dialogue” but was steadfast in its support for member states Greece and Cyprus in the crisis.
EU sanctions could include individuals, ships or the use of European ports.
“We can go to measures related to sectoral activities … where the Turkish economy is related to the European economy,” Borrell told a news conference, referring to possible sanctions.
The EU would focus on everything related to “activities we consider illegal”, he said.
Borrell was speaking after EU foreign ministers met in Berlin to discuss support for Greece after it ratified a maritime accord with Egypt to counter Turkey’s claims to energy resources in the region.
Responding to the announcement, Turkey’s foreign ministry said the EU has no legal basis for its stance and rejected Greek maritime claims.
“It is beyond the limits of the EU to criticise the hydrocarbon activities of our country within our own continental shelf and demand that we stop them,” a foreign ministry spokesman said.
“Greece is not an archipelago state. It is illegal under international law for Greek islands to have a continental shelf”.
Borrell and German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas added that the EU wants to give dialogue a chance to lower tensions between Greece and Turkey, before resorting to economic sanctions or other punitive measures.
Turkey is also a formal candidate to join the EU, although its candidacy is at risk and could be withdrawn as an additional measure. Two senior EU diplomats told Reuters news agency that foreign ministers agreed to leave any decision to EU government leaders, who are set to meet for a two-day summit from September 24.
“Nothing will be decided before the September European Council,” a senior diplomat said, adding that Turkey could also be rewarded with greater access to the EU’s market of 450 million consumers if it suspends all maritime exploration activities in disputed areas. LINK
However, neither side is currently prepared to make any concessions, and events are fast approaching a possible military clash.
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We are ready.. just
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5 navy escorts for one survey vessel?
Surely this will drive up the cost for oil and gas exploration in the Med. :/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE
he should get oscar for that role..such a disappointment..even 15 escorts worth to try…no pain no gain…
Oh yes, that’s right, mind this this punk oglu is not worth talking to.
Turkey is not the type of country that backs down. Greece needs to take a chill pill. The French are instigating this conflict that will tear a dying NATO apart. US is now weak and hands off.
stupidity—turkey just backed dow when Egypt warned that if they invade Sirte, Egypt will send troops into Libya
The Greek and Turkish people should not fall for European racist intriguers. They are also stoking wars between Asians, but hopefully we are mature enough to see through their insidious agenda. They are sick enough to make tiny Taiwan commit suicide by arming to the teeth in the hope that Han Chinese kill each while US arms manufacturers profit. These are sick people. Look what they have done to the idiotic Arabs.
I remember few years ago the bloody war between Iran and Iraq when they sold arms to both to make them killing each other in large number. Asian and European countries must understand that it is much better for them trying to find a compromise among them even giving up something than allowing the imperialists to impose on them their dirty agenda
Egypt, Greece and Turkey, the three little bitches of US/ISISrael Zioterrorists that can’t make up their mind over whom their masters likes more. Gonna have to duke it out to find out who their master is gonna support.
Both Greeks and Turks are nice people and should not fall for Anglo-Zionist agenda of making others destroy each, they should learn from the sad fate of disunited Arabs who are paying the worst price for their failure to develop nationalism.
“they should learn from the sad fate of disunited Arabs”
Or maybe from turning India against Pakistan and China for US interests?
The Wahhabis are also ganging up on Turkey. Erdogan needs to normalize relations with Syria, as Iran is the only real friend of Turkey and will stand by it.
Your poutana mana is a bitch.
Hurling insults does you no credit. Make this forum a mature discussion.
I have not seen you say this to other people, who have been insults for a long time. in this forum for example at Ζ = Ε.
I am neither Greek or Turk and just trying to post realistic comments and not responsible what others say, but personal insults normally show a weak intellect.
From which country are you from;;
Canada,
There are many Greeks in Canada.
Yes, in Toronto a whole Greek section called GREEK TOWN located on Danforth Avenue, between Chester Avenue and Dewhurst Boulevard, in east Toronto. The good thing is that Greeks and Turks live side by side and no problems.
” The good thing is that Greeks and Turks live side by side and no problems.”
Yes, because they live in Canada.In practice this does not work …. we are completely opposed to everything.
I wish you both well, hope you resolve your issues peacefully and do not fall into the US trap, in Canada we know the insidious nature of Americans.
I am on the side of my homeland, not the interests of America. My homeland comes above all and everything. Let Americans care about their homeland.
It doesn’t work in Canada either , just doesn’t show.
Because they NEVER MIX together and do not like each other.
Just respect laws of Canada
Exactly. In Constantinople the 1955 those who slaughtered the Greeks who lived there, were the neighbors and “friends” Turks. Their religion is a religion of DEATH and BLOOD..You can’t have friendships with ANIMALS. They only understand the language of power and strength
I second that.
I have respect for Arab Muslims but not Turks.
Not -true that one I am sure!
They respect Canadian laws and DO NOT MIX EVER TOGETHER !
So nothing as idyllic as you would like to suggest.
You are just sleazy manipulator…never to be trusted
He is Muslim hater of Christians, I know that I have nose for people like him.
You are most defiantly directly supporting Turks that were indiscriminate INSULTING Greeks.
You sleazy back stubbing snake!
I can smell your well hidden anti-Christian hatred stench !
luxe confuses the truth w insults
Maybe his true name is “De-luxe Liar” ?
And you NEVER WILL !!
Z=E is another “stealth” Christian hater.
I couldn’t ignore them taking ALL Turk side even though Turkey is INVADER of Syria and they ALWAYS ATTACK RUSSIA for SUPPORTING TURK PRESENCE in SYRIA while now they are ALL on Turk side!
Talking about 1st class HYPOCRITES and Christian bigots like “Lux”; “Z=E”,”guest”, etc….
Let them to be. !! When Turkey is divided and their countries become a colony of China … then they will understand what oppression is. Time works with us.
The stupid inbred Americunt arseholes will fail and end up losing Turkey as a NATO base. If the cunts impose sanctions to please their Jew masters, Turkey will shut down NATO arseholes bases and end of story. The fuckers don’t have too many cards to play left than bring in Saudi morons and UAE pimps to support the Kurd turds in causing terrorism in Turkey. No country will ever allow the Kurd scum to have their own Jew owned terrorist state right in the middle of Eurasia. Pipe dreams. FUCK THE AMERICUNTS, ZIONISTS & WAHHABI SCUM all in one go.
As a anti-colonialist Indian nationalist, and a friend of both Greek and Turkish people, I suggest that they do not fall into the imperialist plot to make others fight while they profit from human blood and misery. Learn from the Indian experience at the hands of the Anglo-Zionist cabal of evil. The French and Italians have also the worst racist record in history. All these Euro racists want a conflict that kills brown and black people. They also want China and India to fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SElZ29Al4Sw
Thanks for sharing. A lesson for everyone as how these imperialists and Jews work to plunder humanity.
A respected Indian politician Shashi Tharoor has written a detailed expose of how the limey cunts fanned religious wars in India and ripped off the economy and bankrupted it.
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Who let them do it? Corrupt Indian Oligarchs and Indian politicians and Indian Elite who today run away from their eager and greedy consent and part.
“do not fall into the imperialist plot to make others fight while they profit from human blood”
Not to fall like India has fallen in plot to turn India against Pakistan and China?
So India have fallen in the same plot, what puts you in position to give advice?
Modi is a stupid illiterate tea shop cunt, but India has a strong opposition and rational people in the military and intelligence, they know that China will whup India before the cows come home (no pun intended) :)
Your donkey Shialeaders are shit
Its opposite. India invited the Brits to loot their country and were happy and proud to learn a little European civilisation.
India’s population and Elite remain extremely proud of their colonial past which they constantly expose in Oxford english in their “parliament”.
Otherwise there would not be cricket clubs and pubs everywhere and the Indian population competing and praising who have the best debating skills and the most distinguised Oxford accent…………………….LOL.
No little rice and curry drinking tea boys, no 6 million reparations, but hard work can do it…..LOL.
Turkish F-16 pilots humiliated 6 Greek ones which were trying to enter our NAVTEX region:)
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Militarily and economically there is no doubt that Turkey with a bigger economy and a battle tested military will carry the day, but only the imperialists who stoke these conflicts will win. India is making frigates for Turkey and hopefully they will not be used.
Imperialists are pushing Greece into the fire and unfortunately they’re falling into this trap again. They didn’t learn from history that how they were used, abandoned and doomed to death by their western masters. Sad for them.
It is very sad, they are doing the same with Modi, another extremist idiot, but India has checks and balances as a democracy and hopefully we will not give in to the Anglo-Zionist agenda. Turkey is a beautiful country with hospitable people, I hope no harm comes to it. We like your soap operas.
The Turks are thiefs, dirty rug sellers, shit kebap cooks and they enjoy the occasional genocide every once in a while.
Τurkgay is not even a country.
They are mongols who belong :
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Aren’t Turks more Uighurs than Mongol origin ?
Timur -Tamerlane that comes from Turkicized Mongol tribe…He has defeated Turks in the times when the Turks were the strongest.
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This is a lie. Nobody pushes Greece. But the one who will make the wrong move in the next 18 months will be Erdogan. Erdogan will attack Greece … and not Greece in Turkey. And that’s because he can’t do otherwise,. This time, however, things will not be like in 1974 in Cyprus, or in 1922 in Ionia. This time we will go to war until there is not one left.
It will not be a small hot episode … but a war that will last over 2-3 months at least. The situation in Turkey is very bad, and it has opened many fronts, with a large dispersion of forces.We Greeks are determined to wage a normal war, and not skirmishes of a few hours / days. !! IF A GREEK-TURKISH WAR HOLDS OVER 3-5 DAYS I AM SURE THAT WE WILL WIN.
That appears to be wishful thinking. Turkey is rated as number 11 military power in the world with an economy 4 times the size. Nationalist pride is one thing, reality is another.
As US proxies and cannonfodder you do a splendid work.
If you go to war against Turkey we promise you can still get Goldmann Sachs and IMF usury loans we know you like so much, so you can stay in EU.
We Greeks are not proxies of anyone. As for the loans, we give them to you, we do not need them.
Personally, I would like to leave both the EU and NATO. Without Greece, both NATO and the EU are absolutely NOTHING. Because without Greece the EU stops on the Danube river …. and has NO CONNECTION with the Mediterranean and the Middle East … the Mediterranean … you know oil, gas … etc The most important geostrategic part on the world map , That is why I can tell the EU to go fuck it.They need us, not us. As for NATO, its most important bases are in Greece, such as in Souda in Crete. It is the most important base on the planet.
Battle tested ? hahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha
You mean arse kicked by the Kurds !
ahhaha dumbass!
You are making a fool of yourself on this forum. Are you a kid? I doubt you are above 18. If you can’t add intelligence to the conversation, why don’t you just read and learn from others. Your juvenile comments are a waste of time to read. Right now I can’t think of anyone on this forum lower than you in IQ.
To borrow your favourite word, you are the only dumbass here. Only you haven’t realized it yet.
Well said, these children lose sanity. Turkey is major power and has received open support from both Iran and Pakistan.
Yeah, it’s really time for a formal military alliance between a group of Muslim countries such that an attack on one is an attack on all. The US keeps breaking Muslim countries one at a time because of a lack of unity. They’re at war with Islam, and the earlier we acknowledge this glaring fact the better.
After Iran, they’ll try to destroy either of Turkey or Pakistan. They want to weaken the entire Muslim world as they did to the Arabs. But with leaders like Erdogan who sees deep into their soul, it isn’t going to be another Iraq or Gaddafi’s Libya.
What makes you think that the stupid loser cunts can “attack” Iran, the morons have been barking almost all my life and done fuckall. Power has shifted to Eurasia. They are in a desperate last ditch mode. Turkey, Iran and Pakistan have a combined population bigger than Europe and two are nuclear states. Turkey needs to get nukes too.
Turkey is not “nuclear’ state you dumb ass!
They just keep stored some small tactical gravitational US nukes for the need of NATO.
Turkey has NO RIGHT to use them and nuke triggers are TAKEN OUT by US since they can’t trust Turkey in anything any more.
Those bombs are useless without triggers!
So you are liar and crook as usual
Turkey does not need the NATO nukes. But even without triggers, those nukes are still useful should Turkey decide to turn them useful. With Pakistani or Chinese expertise, it shouldn’t be difficult to disassemble the nukes, extract the uranium for use in a nuclear-capable missile supplied by Pakistan, Iran, or China. Turkey won’t have to enrich uranium – the most difficult step in producing a nuclear weapon.
But who says Turkey needs NATO’s nukes? Pakistan will supply in the event of an emergency. Besides Turkey will be able to detonate nukes in a matter of two or three years. They don’t need to enrich Uranium. Just import from Pakistan. Their missile tech is pretty advanced. They already have the blueprints for nukes because Turkey was AQ Khan’s nuclear proliferation center, where both North Korea and Iran bought nuclear bomb blueprints. You think the Turks don’t have such blueprints?
America will not remove those nukes, because doing so will give Turkey an excuse to go nuclear. To close my comment, here is a quote from research paper by The Carnegie Endowment published in 2012:
“However, the designs for first-generation nuclear weapons are
widely understood and it is likely that Turkish physicists would be technically
capable of fashioning first-generation nuclear weapons if the leadership were
to give the go-ahead.”
Page 24: https://carnegieendowment.org/files/Turkey_Bomb_Full_Text.pdf
Yeah, Turkey needs to get nukes. An alliance between Turkey, Iran and Pakistan will certainly immune them all from attack by anyone in the world. But there is a problem with Iran.
Some people (particularly Iranians) think that I just hate the Iranian regime for being Shiites. But that’s completely wrong.
Iran did things that no Sunni Muslim will be happy about. Iran helped the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq in unjust wars that killed MILLIONS! Just be fair about this and think objectively. Turkey (a truly Sunni country) will never support a war against any Shiite country – ever. In fact, Turkey is helping Azerbaijan (a Shiite country) against Armenia, and it is the only Muslim country to do so openly without fear of criticism from anyone.
According to one renowned political analyst, Turkey’s problem with the U.S started when America invaded Iraq and Afghanistan over Turkish objections. And their relationship has never recovered since then.
Now, compare Turkey with Iran and you’ll realize that the mad Mullahs ruling Iran are a key factor that contribute to Muslim disunity. After Afghanistan and Iraq, no Sunni country will EVER trust Iran to watch its back – not even Turkey. It appears that Iran is more interested in chaos befalling Sunni countries so that amidst chaos, it can come in an spread Shiism by offering conditional support. That has been Iran’s behavior in Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, and pretty much anywhere.
The Iranian regime is also pretty oppressive against Sunnis of Iran. They try to compel conversion by enforcing Shiite-oriented educational curriculum for Sunnis – something not even Saudi Arabia (with all its evil) does to its Shiite population.
But as soon as Iran came under unbearable pressure and an existential threat from America and Israel, the so-called supreme leader started preaching Muslim unity. He forgot that he sent Iranian commandos to fight alongside the U.S. in Afghanistan, killing the very Muslims he claims to want to unite.
You may claim that Saudi Arabia also supports the U.S. against Sunnis and Shiites. But then, Saudi and Emirati rulers are NOT true Sunnis. They are largely hypocrites. A true Sunni Muslim can never support a disbeliever against a believing nation no matter the dispute he has with that believing nation.
So how on Earth can there ever be an alliance including Iran? Honestly, I can’t see either Pakistan or Turkey trusting Iran. Both Turkey and Pakistan were angered by America’s invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Even the GCC countries, despite being subservient to the U.S. were not happy with America. But Iran on the contrary was happy and even offered military support! Imagine that level of backstabbing! And the worst is that the Mullahs are still doing it. They never support the Taliban against America’s occupation of Afghanistan. What they do is offer some symbolic support to fool other Muslims or to suit their need to keep the war going.
Wake up my friend. there is truth to what I’m saying. You can always research and verify. Iran is not a country that Sunni Muslims should trust. Azerbaijan, despite being Shiite, will never support anyone against Sunnis. What makes Iran different? Are they truly Shiites? Or are they still the fire-worshipers of ancient Persia?
Yeah right!
Just be careful, don’t push too hard you might injure your self…
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u attempt to reason w under socialized ignorant children—good luck
turkis has 60 million in poverty and extreme poverty like USA—none in Greece or Russia…battle tested? defeated in nearly all wars unless assisted by the anglos….Vietnam possessed a larger military and economy than USA? this is why they defeated USA and their colonies (the coalitions of the “willing”)
60 million poverty..yes,ı cant afford to pay my internet bills…ı am sure ı can sell you ermitage museum for 10.000 rubles..
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When we conquer , Constantinople we will have to keep the crescent as a symbol of the city. Because this symbol is not only there during Byzantium, but also before, because the crescent is the Symbol of the goddess Hecate.
This coin is Byzantine … long before the Turks conquered the city. Even your Flag is based on GREEK SYMBOLS. HAHAHAHA
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Come do it
Just empty boasts cloaked in juvenile nationalism. Greece would be lucky to survive a war with Turkey. Hope it never comes to that. Peace to all.
The dismemberment of Turkey has been planned for a long time. Of course not from the Greeks. Get a map … the straight line from Constantinople to Cyprus …. this whole geographical area will pass to the Greeks. To them it belongs from the beginning of the world. REMEMBER MY WORDS…if of course you survive
I will survive Insha Allah.
Your fear is that Muslim countries are becoming stronger, with Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia being in the lead. If you have been observant enough, you’ll notice that you don’t Europe and America don’t scare Muslims anymore. Our biggest problem now is the GCC, and dictators like El-sisi. We are currently struggling against these bastards who are preventing Muslim unity with your support. But their power is waning as they find it increasingly more difficult to govern. They feel very threatened, fighting the Islamic awakening on Multiple fronts from Egypt, to Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Qatar and even Turkey.
All we need now is divide the OIC between Muslim leaders who want to be Saudi’s stooges and those who are for the Muslim Ummah. Pakistan threatened this not long ago and it really jolted the Saudis. Trust me, the OIC will soon divide and that’s when Muslims will become stronger.
So if you want to conquer Turkey and take Constantinople, be prepared to fight a much much larger force than Turkey. In history, Europe has never defeated the Muslim world. Think of how the crusades ended for the Christians.
This animosity towards Turkey is purely religious despite efforts to paint it as political. But you must know that there is more support for Turkey from the Muslims than Saudi hypocrites. Look how Muslims abandoned the Saudis in their war with Yemen despite their tremendous efforts to mobilize support. The only thing that’ll prompt the World’s Muslims to fight in defense of Saudi Arabia is to protect Mecca and Medinah, not the corrupt monarchy. You won’t know Turkey has the support of Muslims until you invade them.
” Your fear is that Muslim countries are becoming stronger, with Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia being in the lead.”
no i have no fear., china will undertake to do what it knows best. As you know, China does not like religions, especially Islam. And as Turkey and Pakistan become colonies of China, and it controls it financially … everything will be done as China wants, not you. If you think that China will let the very important region of the Mediterranean become Muslim for it … and be ruled by Turkey, then I am sorry but you know absolutely nothing..
“ Turkey has already been “lost” to the alliance. “…” The Turkish population is already one of the most hostile to America in the world, with only 18 percent of Turks viewing the U.S. favorably in 2017. An incredible 72 percent viewed us as a “major threat.” That’s the highest level among the 30 nations polled by the Pew Research Center.” https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/time-to-kick-the-islamizing-turkey-out-of-nato/
Sure China does not like religions, and it persecutes both Muslims and Christians. But China is still far less of a threat to Islam than Europe and America. China differs significantly with the West in that China has a non-interventionist policy. It hardly meddles in the internal affairs of other countries, especially those far from its borders. How many military bases does China have on Muslim lands? How many Muslim countries has China invaded? How many times has China instigated domestic revolt to overthrow a Muslim leader? How many times has China threatened a Muslim country? How many coups has China staged in a Muslim country? Which Muslim country does China encircles with Military bases? How many Muslim countries has China sanctioned? How many Muslims have China murdered in drone strikes and other attacks? I could go on and on, but I think you get the message: China only persecutes Muslims WITHING its borders. And that, is something we can manage. China will change this behavior if it deems it detrimental to its economic interest with Muslim countries. All we need is unite.
Sure Turkey is lost to the alliance, because the alliance never accepted Turkey in good faith. And that’s good for Muslims cos it helps convince some foolish Muslims that these people are an enemy – not friends or allies. Allah clearly warned about that in the Quran. Under Erdogan, Turkey would NEVER have joined NATO. But then, Turkey was ruled by hypocrites back then. Thankfully, they are back on track and Allah will help them.
Turkey is no longer important for NATO and the U.S.? Then you need to do some deep research. But if you still can’t find anything, I’ll provide plenty of sources.
” China differs significantly with the West in that China has a non-interventionist policy”
xa xa xa xa xa xa xa xa China’s border attack on India in April is in line with a broader strategy of territorial aggression following the 1979 catastrophic invasion of Vietnam. This strategy, centered on victory without a fight, led to China’s offensive without bullets, from the occupation of Johnson Reef in 1988 and the Mischief Reef in 1995, to the occupation of the Scarborough Shoal in 2012. And after the great land recapture in 2013, China changed the geopolitical map of the South China Sea without a shot.! In 2017, the PLA similarly occupied the empty and desolate Himalayan plateau of Doklam, which belongs to one of the smallest countries in the world, Bhutan.Bite to bite, China eats at its neighbors border. In Nepal, which is ruled by a pro-Beijing communist government, a leaked internal report recently warned that the country had lost border territory to Chinese construction projects, which it said also changed the course of rivers.
Recently, the Chinese state media suddenly discovered that the Pamir Mountains of Tajikistan historically “belong to China”. Earlier in May, state media claimed that Mount Everest, the world’s highest peak on the Nepal-Tibet border symbolizing Nepal’s sovereignty, was entirely in China.Last month, a Chinese government ship conducted maritime research in the exclusive economic zone of Okinotori Island, the southernmost point of Japan. When Tokyo protested, Beijing claimed that “Japan’s unilateral claim [in an EEZ] has no legal basis”, as Okinotori was not an island but just rocksPlease, what you say that China does not threaten anyone … say only in Turkey, not in the rest of the world. I wish you good luck because you will need it, since you became a colony of China.
Today, Turkey’s behavior is clearly shouting its exit from the alliance, causing a more generalized conflict with the strong members of the alliance.
She is looking for an occasion but without causing an attack on her
The influences in the Middle East have changed. Apart from Turkey, changes will take place in the former Soviet republics
These I had written in 2018 somewhere else.
Handing over the Incirlik base to the Russians will formally mean Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO. Any delay in a scheduled finale of Turkey-West relations with at least the Sultan in power is due, on the one hand, to the latter’s oriental bazaar and, on the other, to the lobbyists surrounding the White House. It seems that Israel will be the one – after the Turkish diplomatic attack against it – that will soon pull the trigger. Eight years of tolerance is more than enough for that. He is looking for the occasion …
Putin’s game begins and becomes clear. The ransom promised to the Turk is over what hurts. Energy and security. The inauguration of the nuclear power plant by Putin himself signals his support for the energy that Turkey desperately needs and the sale of S-400s for its security and defense.But surely the Russian will not let the Turk believe for a moment that he will be an equal player with him. We are waiting for the reminder cuff that we do not yet know when it will fall. My personal assessment this slap will have a Kurdish and Syrian scent. Putin’s consistent ally listening to Iran should not be discouraged by being demoted
Seriously, I thought you were smarter than that!
But you read what I write !! ha ha ….the world no longer needs neither America, nor China, nor Russia … nor any other promoter.Humanism, Renaissance and partly Enlightenment cannot be done without Greek values. Because apart from any individual human beliefs, the future of this planet is directly connected and dependent on Greece, Everything else is to say and spend our time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaJVxPBvuB4
wow you are so brain-dead that you believe your media propaganda? wow just wow! here in Greece we hear everyday that your pilots drops the flares in every encounter end you submarines also everytime they get surrounded by Greek ones…witch one to believe? ^^
UAE sends 9 F-16 military aircraft to Greece as tensions with Turkey intensify. The tiny Arab Emirate of UAE has pledged its “unlimited” support for Greece in the event of any conflict. Saudi Foreign Minister also pledged support for Greece and has deployed troops in Syria to support Kurdish rebels in their fight against Turkey.
Saudi troops are OCCUPATIONAL FORCE and what is their excuse to invade Syria is of NO IMPORTANCE !
Militarily they represent nothing and can’t help even themselves let alone others !
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Who let the dogs out of aging? Back to your cage.moron… https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o85xvpana0U0JnfUs/giphy.gif
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Beware of these turkisis trolls with their fake news and Erdogan propaganda!
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Ηas anyone seen kemalreis by the way ?
After the Greek ‘touched’ it on its ‘back side’ it disappeared…
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And where are diapers ?!
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Another crack in crumbling wall of NATO.
Perfect.!! This is what we want NATO to fall …. then see what Turkey has to suffer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrxX9TBj2zY
The US will suffer more in the event that NATO breaks up. I want Turkey’s exit from NATO too. It’ll heighten the threat perception of Turkey and force it to take more drastic measures towards building more advanced weapons, including nukes. Currently the Turkish defence industry is doing well on a wide range of high-tech weapons programs, including fifth gen. fighter planes, missiles, ships, armour vehicles, drones, and others. But Europe and the US Muslim enemies threatening Turkey will make Turkey double down on these programs. It’ll also add guts to Erdogan’s efforts in uniting some key Muslim countries like Pakistan, Indonesia, and Malaysia who are currently likely partners and early buyers of some Turkish weapons in the making. It’ll also free Turkey to buy weapons from Russia and China, integrate Turkey’s economy with Asia, and even create a crisis in the EU as Germany isn’t likely to give up its Turkish market.
Turkey is currently trying to create new markets in Muslim countries and encourage inter-Muslim trade. I suspect Turkey still has its decades-long dream to create some kind of Muslim NATO and a unified currency for the Islamic world. The Turkish president who introduced that agenda was murdered in a coup by Western agents of course.
Those who try to deceive the Muslims that Turkey only pursues worldly gain by trying to rule the Muslim world should know that they are not fooling many. In Islam, any people can rule if they demonstrate the willingness and ability to unite Muslims against their enemies. All Muslims are equal. The Arabs have no special standing.
Saudi and the GCC are pretty scared of a Muslim awakening because it means an end to their rule.
” The US will suffer more in the event that NATO breaks up. I ”
This is not true. America no longer needs NATO … nor do European countries. That’s why, like Macron, they started saying that NATO is brain dead. Another military coalition of countries will be created, in which Turkey will NOT be included. Because Turkey now belongs to China. And they know that in the US.
You need to read these sources to understand how important Turkey is for American missions in the Middle East and parts of Asia.
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-are-us-military-bases-in-turkey-so-crucial-for-washington-32243
https://www.voanews.com/europe/us-military-base-turkey-has-uncertain-future
https://www.voanews.com/europe/key-us-base-risk-turkish-us-tensions-escalate
If Incirlik was closed, the “operational capability of the U.S. in the Middle East would be hobbled,” he said: https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomacy/2019/12/29/turkish-military-bases-still-crucial-for-us-despite-disagreements-expert-says
Kürecik, a radar station located in the Malatya province, was used for three decades until the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union for NATO to counter ballistic missiles. What makes it vital for NATO — which Turkey has been a member of for nearly 70 years — is that the AN/TPY-2 radar (Army/Navy Transportable Surveillance) deployed in Kürecik can shield ballistic missiles fired from Russia and Iran as well as protect NATO members: https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/despite-issues-turkish-military-bases-still-key-for-us-analyst-150393
There are a lot more analysis by experts on this. You google it.
” You need to read these sources to understand how important Turkey is for American missions in the Middle East and parts of Asia.”
Turkey WAS important to America but not now. Geostrategically we are in the 21st century and you think in terms and conditions that were valid in the 20th century. !! Please do not send me links from Turkish newspapers and sites THEY NEVER TELL THE TRUTH. Turkey Is Now a U.S. Ally in Name Only. If Trump loses the election … then in Turkey be preparing for big upheavals and sanctions.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4873/leaving-nuclear-weapons-in-turkey-is-just-poor-strategy
https://www.vox.com/world/2019/4/11/18292070/usa-turkey-trump-erdogan-s400
Bullshit! the links you post discuss a different thing entirely. For the first link, the author questions the validity of keeping U.S. nukes in Turkey and urges the U.S. to remove those nukes. However, the author also points out some consequences that might come with a U.S. decision to remove the nukes, like attempted seizure, and what the U.S. can or cannot do in such situations. He never discusses the strategic importance of the base. The nukes in Turkey were deployed during a U.S. – Soviet nuclear tension and over the period of the cold war. There is no more cold war now, so the nukes can be removed – not the base.
The second link is another article that highlights U.S. – Turkey relations, including some historic facts dating back to the cold war, how badly Turkey has behaved, and stuffs like that.
Well, to start with, two of the links I posted are from VOA (Voice of America). Besides, you can’t just dismiss their analysis on the basis that it is all lies. You should be able to say where they lie and why. And back it up with reliable sources from anywhere.
As an additional indication that the U.S. has no intention to give up its Turkish military bases, America spend millions just last year to upgrade the bases in Turkey: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31622/usaf-is-spending-millions-to-upgrade-turkey-bases-amid-turkish-threats-to-kick-them-out
Maybe you can prove it’s a lie that the U.S. is spending to upgrade its Turkish bases.
” Currently the Turkish defence industry is doing well on a wide range of high-tech weapons programs, including fifth gen. fighter planes, missiles, ships, armour vehicles, drones, and others”
XA XA XA Yes, Turkey still has colonies and the planet Mars … and has also signed a military alliance with the Klingos … tell us same other tale, do not keep saying the same thing. Put a little imagination guys.
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I don’t even understand what you mean by this reply. Can you explain.
NATO is DOA!
NATO is run by crackheads :)
Damn Right!
Syria’s eastern front about to boil over as US is bringing in Saudis and UAE to fan Kurdish terrorism against Turkey and initiate a wider war as Erdogan calls us “sick”.
Erdogan is finished !! He may say he wants to, but he will have the fate of Gaddafi and Saddam.
Objectively, Erdogan has been a regional disaster, but Kemalist nationalism runs deep in Turkey, so if they are threatened they will rally around him. He has caused unnecessary tensions with all neighbors.
Every day, many Turkish citizens cross the border into Evros and seek asylum in Greece to escape Erdogan’s regime. The Turks do not want him either.
Sadly, ordinary people suffer for the delusions of demagogues as in Greek mythology. But I think your PM is a sensible guy. Turks are not bad people.
‘Kemalist nationalism’
Dude, he’d be spinning in his grave! The Turk’s nationalism is a very hare-brained one and is going diametrically against every vision Atatürk ever had.
If he was born just a few years later, Turkey would now be playing a leading role in the EU. They’d probably have been one of the founding members. Northern Cyprus wouldn’t be, the Muslim Brotherhood would have no foothold in any country NEAR Turkey, they wouldn’t support Islamists in Syria just to steal some worthless land and they certainly wouldn’t play chicken with an ally inside the same defense organisation for some crumbs of an energy source that’s going out of fashion fast. And Libya? Yeah, not like that…
The country is more or less in a disgusting downward spiral ever since Atatürk died.
How you can honor the memories of Atatürk while at the same time being a Turkish nationalist in 2020 under Erdogan? This exercise needs some serious mental acrobatics.
the outcome is uncertain—turkey continues to create enemies amongst their neighbors—Syria, Greece, Bulgaria, Armenia, and others–France, Germany, Italy…Georgia a failed state is irrelevant. Iran is hostile to turkey in Syria—disinterested in Libya..possibly because there r more azeris in Iran than in Azerbaijan …all shia unlike the muslim bro turks that oppress their fellow sunnis—kurds
the same sentence again..insert coin…
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Lets get a a couple things straight.
1) This is not a dispute that started now and is not all about oil/gas. The story is old and and it started in agean and who controls the sea there. You see if greece extends its waters to 12nm in there all international waters in agean are to be vanished and thus maritime traffic to and from almost all major turkish ports and the black sea are under greeek control ( just like the south china sea, or canadas NWP). So turkey like usa they dont sign all maritime law conventions in order to be able to make demands and conduct the same shit usa is doing in same cases (“freedom of navigation patrols”). Oil/gas came later (80s and after) and just piled on maritime borders issue.
2) Any kinetic insident in the are will be aero-nautical and the “battle proven army” (questionable since they only operate the drones that they have clear advantage there all other is mercs executing mostly failed operations particularly when they dont have material superiority) is irrelevant. So in air /naval exchange the losses will be serious for both sides with greece probably coming a bit on top because of better training, morale and tradition (and probably equipment in some cases), provided we dont send planes into activated S400.
3) The turkish politicians might always sound belligerent and grandiose and full throttle but because of internal politics they dont risk. When ever they make military moves they do it only with other protectors backs firmly behind them and with their approval and a practical guaranty that they will get what they want (from cyprus to syria i will bet even libya). Now they dont have them from any of their usual or perspective patrons. So things will probably remain the same and we will need to pray a bit that no actual accident happen that can spark an exchange like imia crises (this time things are not orchestrated and approved by usa so they can shut down in minutes if things go wild).
Bunch of wishes intead of facts. Straight from the GRU instruction manual, on soft power against NATO
a look at the map would award turkey with an extensive exclusive economic zone whereas cyprus shall not be warded a similar ‘unlimited’ eez since it is within the boundaries of turkey’s eez. fairly obvious. minor islands close to turkey claimed by greece shall be disregarded. even rhodes (origin of the first maritime enactment) shall be excluded in this point of view. any eez claimed by the illegal occupiers of palestine shall also be disallowed and it shall be a palestinian eez. the agreement between greece and egypt is considerably more strained than the libyan/turkey one. so at the end of the day, turkey is fully entitled to drill its eez without france of greece sticking their grubby fingers in that pie.
As in the cases of south china sea and NWP the International law of the sea (you know, the one that US and turkey refuse to sign because its against their interests) begs to differ.
All islands that have population and econnomic activity are to have EEZ and “continental self” on top of 12 of territorial waters. No exceptions. That makes the Turkish-GNA accord complete BS. And the turkish EEZ significant but limited by the islands the ottoman navy lost control to their local populations.
Palestinians sure deserve their own on the basis of their well deserved statehood but i think would not support a “regime” that resembles their own situation, occupation. (Yes i mean cyprus) After all they are not stupid to undermine their own points and far more fair and “honorable” than what you want to portray them.
Turkey should not join EU and must leave NATO. You cannot wanna dine with thugs who want your head
Good riddance !
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