Kurdish Insurgency In Syria, Turkey And Iraq (Map Update)

I see that your first line was self-referential; I defined ISIS as doing EXACTLY what Muhammed did, and you’re asking if we define Jesus by the Crusaders doing exactly the OPPOSITE of what Jesus did? How does that make sense to you? Mind you, you’re defending Islam, so sense must not come naturally to you. War mongering governments aren’t taking Christian actions in doing that, so again they’re the opposite of Jesus.

But ISIS are still taking identical actions to Muhammed.

What is happening in Syria is more of a belated counter to what happened in Lebanon, how the likes of Iran and Syria flooded it with Palestinian refugees, who then caused a war with Lebanese Christians and now form the majority as well as the main military force within the country, who have caused war with Israel since. The Syrian war was designed to weaken the factions that are aggressive to Israel and have been for decades. Acting like this conflict is undeserved, like the Crusades in your mind, is another fallacy, a typical Muslim victim complex based on ignorance.

As long as religion doesn´t get political people should be free to believe whatever they choose to. The problem, however, starts when religious groups act in expansive ways, which implies the idea of spiritual superiority and the principle to “convert” non-believers. In fact christianity and the muslim religion are quite similar. The christians had their bad times in the past, and muslim civilization were much more progressive than christian fundamentalists during that time. Nowadays it would be necessary to tame specific fractions of both sunni and shia islam so that they stay out of politics and don´t interfere in the creation of a modern and just society. Especially sharia law should be banned since it reflects the standards of a highly problematic society of the 6.century that has nothing, absolutely nothing to contribute to the challenges of the 21. century. Sharia law resembles the juridical quality of the inquisition in medieval Europe, which was also justified with “spiritual” arguments. Anyways, religion as such is a fundamental need of most humanbeings and I don´t see anything bad about it as long as it doesn´t get too dogmatic and totalitarian. If god exists (asuming he created the universe), he would have other concerns than some women cheating on her husband or political profanities. Does that make sense?

Mohammed is no Jesus.

Firstly, as you’d know if you took the trouble to read the (ISIS or) Da’esh magazine “Dabiq”, every single atrocity they carry out is justified by close reference to the Qur’an, the hadiths and the Life of Mohammed accepted by Muslim scholars as legitimate biography. When they throw gay men off buildings, they cite the relevant Suras about homosexuality and the fully accepted Hadith of Abu Bkr al Siddiqi dictating that gay men should be thrown down from high places. When they burned alive the Jordanian pilot, and more recently the two captured turkish soldiers, reference was made to the incident in which Mohammed ordered a fire to be built on the chest of a conquered Jew. When a Christian acts with violence, they are disobeying Christ’s injunction to turn the other cheek: when Muslims are violent, they
are copying their prophet.

Secondly, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey are not “traditionally Christian countries”, unless you are referring to pre-7th century tradition. They are the immediate sources of cash, weaponry and other help for Da’esh and Al Nusra/ Jabhat Fateh al Sham, although you’re right to imply that the USA stands behind them.

Thirdly, although many Syrians support their government, and abhor the Islamists whose ranks are substantially bolstered by foreigners, it’s also true that plenty of Syrians, and Turks, do support the terrorists who aim to destroy secular pluralism in the Middle East, and stifle the Kurds’ radical democracy. In this, the USA supports them, as it’s decided that permanent instability in the Middle East is in its interests.

Thank you for sharing as a first hand eye witness.

From a realist point of view, the Syrian government will be forced to organize an encompassing political and constitutional reform process, which would imply abundand concessions to different parties involved in the conflict. Regarding the curds, this will likely include greater political and territorial autonomy rights within the (hypothetically speaking) unified secular Syrian nation state.

Except the US intent (largely successful) was to turn them into a self-hating client-state who believed the farcical Allied propaganda account of WWII, and thus accepted Allied occupation long after the war, and became a good little puppet in NATO, always happy to share it’s lunch. Only, they went a little too far, and actually got Germans believing in pacifistic socialist ideal which the US has never even vaguely in line with, and now their brain-washed puppet has gotten sanctimonious with them. There is really nothing good about what the US did to the German education system. Luckily, I think it’s finally washing off.

Thank you for your informed and balanced analysis Paveway IV, the referenced map illustrates the absurdity of creating a Kurdish ” Rojava “/ North Syria Federation – PYD/YPG Automous Zone or whatever over northern Aleppo/Raqqa/Hasaka provinces. In any case Turkey will never, ever accede to any Kurdish statelet west of the Euphrates, and furthermore will dig in up to their limit of advance (M4 highway) and SAJUR riverline. Any attempt to impose an “NSF” authority based in MANBIJ could trigger further Turkish ground advances (Turkey has repeatedly named MANBIJ an objective of Op Euphrates Protection), unless, as I suspect, both Russia and US provide Turkey with the air support on Dai’sh postions, as a short term fix. Regardless, the YPG Afrin Kurds are finished, kettled in their isolated canton, Turkey can put the screws on at any time and offer them the “suitcase or coffin ” choice . While Syria will fight on for its very existence as an independent nation, the final goals of the enemy front remain unchanged : the destruction of the state goverment, infrastructure, institutions, strategic assets and defense forces capability, the break-up of the state into weak “statelets” to the advantage of proxy powers. We are nowhere near to winning this war, in fact I despair that the combined evil intent of NATO/Saudi/Qatar/Israel cabal is coming closer to realization. The war will go on.