KRG Forces Collapse In Kirkuk Because Of Intra-Peshmerga Tensions, Absence Of Long-Awaited Suport From U.S.

I did not expect the zionist simplification from you, i thought you were smarter then that

Why not? Wasn’t Israel the only country that supported breaking up of Iraq? They wish it for all countries in ME.

As I said before, IF Barzani didn’t act like that, didn’t grab the land that didn’t belong to KRG, his dangerous and ambiguous question in referendum, trying to blackmail Iraq while the country is at war and so many other things he did, we had no objection for Iraqi Kurdistan to become independent. Heck, even Iraqi government would cooperate.
His greed and actions caused KR to lose it’s face and made it difficult for them to achieve that goal for a while.
I hope Iraqi Kurds choose a better leader, one who doesn’t put his own interests above that of Kurds.

Sorry, but under saddams brutal regime, Kirkuk was etnically cleansed of kurds. In the last few years a lot of kurds returned. It was more kurdish then arab for a few centuries and mayebe even longer.

kurds.
can.
live.
over.
900.
meters.
altitude.

If you go back a little bit further, about the first years of the 20th century under Ottomans’ rule, even Dahuk and Nineveh weren’t Kurdish.
The whole area was ethnically cleansed of Assyrians, Armenians and Chaldeans.

I know Kurds suffered horribly under Saddam. I remember when he and the evil Chemical Ali used CW on both Kurds and Iran.
The problem is, some of Kurdish leaders align themselves with foreign powers against the countries of the region. Your future is interconnected with us, you are related by blood to us, you have better chance working with us.
Foreign powers use you for their plans and when they have no further use for you, they’ll leave you to the wrath of the region’s countries.

How many times the US made Kurds to stand against Iraq’s governments? 2 times in Saddam era alone (’70s and ’90s), and they left you to Saddam.

The first ruler that killed a lot of assyrian christians was shapur II
And back then there was no western colonial power urging him to do so. In the beginning of the 20th century, the mass murdering of the christians was mayebe because of exact the same reasons you describe what the kurds are doing wrong now….

Nice try by Shapur, researching the 700 years of war between Iran and Rome would help you to rid yourself of this kind of thinking.

Maybe, but it’s not the reason for the Christian genocide. Ottomans did the same thing with their Shi’a population too, but it’s not PC to talk about it nowadays. Shi’as are the new badguys these days.
There are countless sources about this genocide, but if you’re unable to find any I may post some links for you.

Do not get me wrong, i have nothing against shia in particular.
Iran is probably one of the most educated and civilized countries in the ME. I never believed the anti Iran propaganda that the western media posted for decades..most people believe their media, but i was suspicious since i started reading newspapers at 12 years old.

Well, the European powers tried to establish christian countries within the osman empire when it declined, that was one of the reasons for the genocides for sure

As I said, better read about both incidents.
This way you’ll learn a lot of area which was included in KRG’s illegal referendum aren’t Kurdish, and even some area like Dahuk wasn’t Kurdish 100 years ago, IF history has any meaning.

IF….we should look now, that is what counts, people migrate all the time and borders change

Shall we let ISIS keep the land they took, if present counts?
Based on this logic, thank god Iraq’s federal government regained it’s authority over Kirkuk, Tuz Khurmtu and Shengal (Sinjar). Otherwise in a short time because of “migration” it would be counted as Kurdish. Like Kurdish Kurdish, 3000 years worth of Kurdish-ness as they claim it for Dahuk!
You know, it’s not fair to participate in a genocide, take the land and claim that this land has always belonged to you. Yes, some Kurdish tribes did the Ottoman Donmeh’s dirty work for them. I posted some sources for @Serious_Dude before, I can do it for you too if you never heard of it.

I know the stories. I red about it as well. We had a great TV docu about two friends, one turk, one armenian and they travel to turkey and tried to find out what happened. Every culture had/has dark and evil episodes. Homo sapiens is not always a nice animal….human history is not fair

Eventually it has to stop at some point.
Thank god, it seems Iraqi FG and KRG are reaching to some sort of a deal. Hope it gets calm.
I believe it’s the time for Barzani and his clan to answer some difficult questions to Iraqi Kurds.

I agree and i am happy they are not really fighting

I agree that Barzani is an opportunist and not a great leader though. But in the end most politricians are opportunists.
Israel supports the split up of the ME countries, sure. That doesn’t make the kurds automatically zionism supporters. politrics is a dirty game always. For years turkey supported both israel and hamas ; ) just an example
Game of thrones is a good metaphor for the dirty games in the ME

No, it doesn’t make ALL of Kurds a Zionist puppet, just the ones who truly are.

When I said hurting Zionists’ butts I meant Zionists’ butts, not Kurds’.

When you align yourself with a foreign power against the country you currently belong, you should expect the country’s reaction.
In any of the 4 countries Kurds live in, they have a much better chance in working with their own country’s government and people to achieve whatever they want. Foreign powers don’t give a flying f*ck about you or me, they have their own goals which is only possible if they manage to put you and me at war.

ISrael supports separatist movements on all countries in the world, that’s why the world should unite to tear ISrael to pieces!

Big countries have less freedom, more corruption and lower levels of services for its citizens then small countries. That is why i support separatism! Exept for israel. this area is too small to create two countries and the populations allready live mixed up.
So israel should unite with palestine under a secular constitution

How can big countries have less freedom if in small countries you can’t even drive 1 hour in you car without reaching a border you can not pass? That is ridiculous!

Small countries aren’t even countries, they are all just colonies who depend upon empires for their defense surrendering all their sovereignity to the globalist elite.

Only big countries ate countries, small countries are just enclaves between big countries acting as neutral territories and ocasional battlegrounds, nothing more, nothing less.

well, mayebe you should travel through europe one day and see the reality ;)
we have open borders :)))) if you ride a bicycle, it takes you longer to reach the border :))))) better for the planet and safer for pedestrians ;))
another interseting thing is the top 10 of most happy countries. And a small country can have a big geography, it is the amount of citizens that count.

In fact you don’t have open borders, you have no borders, you have no borders because you have no countries, your no-countries are ruled from the other side of the ocean and your living standard depends entirely on the interest of the capital of the empire which rules you.

Well that is a stupid empire then!!!
Our life standard is WAY better then in the USA, it is basically a third world country

It is the first empire in human history that lets his overseas areas have a better life then the motherland!!! Better life expectancy, better healthcare, less violence, better education, more rights for minorities, more holidays, more democracy, better infrastructure, more honest law system, better welfare system, better food safety laws, and so on and so on

Apart from the democracy, which you don’t really have being ruled entirely by unelected bureaucrats… Yes, USA anglo-zionist elite invested a lot in Europe, because if you paid attention on what I answered you, it is in the interest of USA to keep their military bases there, to give european people a high standard of living so they are a living showcase for the empire, to have the trade routes and benefits of european territory, it is all an investment, and the fact they give european people a better condition then they have on their own territory speaks volumes on how much they care about the people of any country!

Even so, now is in the inrest of USA that you be flooded with muslims and criminals from the 3rd world, now is in the interest of USA that you have a debt higher than your GDP, that all sorts of perverse ideology be spread on your countries, now the empire is in desperate situation and cannot sustain european illusion, so now your living standard is sinking too.

You are cannon fodders, and you are bound to a 3rd world war which will dispose of over 90% of european population, and that is because your “countries” are small, weak, with no sovereignity.

You have a delusional view over Europe, it is all i can say. A bit pathetic, as if everything that happens is because some puppeteer pulls some strings. But that is not how it works. All countries have a higher debt then the gdp, even russia with all its oil and gas. We are not “flooded with muslims and criminals, russia has more muslims and the criminality figures are WAY higher! About perverted ideology, i guess you mean LBGT rights? Silly old fashioned orthodox believes will bring you nothing but stagnation. For WW III, if it comes (hopefully not) it will be fought in asia i think and if they will use nukes ( hopefully not) it could mean the end of humanity, wich could be a blessing for the planet to be honest…

For whom do you think your governments rule, the people?! LoL… I rather believe in Santa Claus than that! Democracy is a fraud, your politicians rule for those with money and power above them, namely billionaires and the Deep State of the Empire(secret services/industrial military complex), those are the people who pool the strings you avoid to see, that same string attached to your head right now.

Russian muslims are historic muslims, they were there before russians themselves, and russian crime is russian, it is not imported from the 3rd world. You’re wrong, traditional society was healthy and brught a lot of highly educated people, leftist society doesn’t even reproduce, and when it reproduces it raises dysfunctional individuals uncapable of living by themselves.

Lastly, you’re dreaming. It is written in the wall, next war you will be toasted, even if I agree with you and do not want it to happen, we’re sadly walking toward it step by step.

Democracy is not just about elections. I understand that the big decisions are not made in the parliaments, but behind closed doors. That doesn’t make us slaves or cannon fodder. It doesn’t matter if muslims are new or old. Same with crime. Both have been spreading over this planet for more then a thousand years and might spread for another thousand years. Traditional society was not healthy at all! Full of prejudice, and stuck ideas about right and wrong based on the bible! Today people are much better educated and informed then ever!
If the war will come it will also be the end of russia

Just name me one big country that is a nice place for more then 90 percent of its citizens!

It’s easy for some small countries to have a high standard of living because:

1) They thrive on the stability great powers bring to the world.

2) Many of them are fiscal paradises thriving with money stolen from other countries, that is why I said they are more corrupt than big countries, corruption is many times the single most developed aspect of their economies, while in big countries it is just a fraction of economy. but because countries are big and powerfull this fraction is a lot of money.

3) Many are located in strategic territories and it is in the interest of great powers themselves to give these countries great advantages in exchange to trade routes, military bases, neutrality, etc.

If you dismantle all great powers and big countries you will end up with a feudal reality of widespread perpetual wars, world peace only exist because of big countries, it just happens that small “countries” benefit greatly on this stability.

More so, like I said before, small countries are not even countries, but neutral territories between the bif countries.

This is bullshit Castro. The Eu is not an Empire. It contains a lot of small countries that exist for centuries…

The EU is not an empire all right, it is a super-colony of the anglo-zionist empire, and most of so called small countries within EU ceased to exist being rule by brussels on the name of USA.

And what is the benefit for the anglo zionist empire in your delusional story? It just doesn’t make sense. Never in world history an Empire ruled over others and at the same time did not plunder the others or changed them into their own, by just wiping out the others culture. Both is not happening here, i invite you to come have a look for yourself

The Anglo-zionist empire is not USA himself, even if the capital is in USA, the empire is spread among several olygarchs and billionaires around the world, and they do reap all benefits my friend, make no mistakes.

Ahah! Now we are getting somewhere! So some Russians are part of it as well then! Including filha da Putin

The anglo-zionist is not in the interest of the Eastern powers, even China which has being doing business with the Epire for sel-interest is slowly walking away. the East do not need the West as most of the real ecnomy of the world nowadays is being produced there.

The west is fake and will fall like a house of cards.

Russia is not an eastern power, they are part of europe in the first place and they colonised a big chunk of asia in the second place

They are in between, they can be none or choose a side, you forced them into the east for your own stupidity.

We? The slaves of the evil empire?

Yes, by not resisting your masters, by giving up your own interests for the sake of the zionists.

That is your perception, not mine.
As i allready said, we live in the best part of the planet, so there is nothing wrong with our interests

This is our main problem:
http://www.globalcarbonatlas.org/en/CO2-emissions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

You seem to live in the past, or mayebe in the ME? In most of Europe there haven’t been any battles for decades, as well as in the America’s. The trouble with army building is that the opponent will also build up, wich is damn stupid for both sides. All that money could have been spent to education, infrastrucure, healthcare, etc. etc. for the benefit of the MAYORITY. The weapon industry mostly benefits the owners of those companies and the families that work in the factories or in the armies. But that is a MINORITY…..

Europe is just a neutral territory between USA and Russia, when war comes it will be turned into radioactive dust more than RU and USA themselves.

First and Second world war should have told you something.

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/united-states/

I don’t know what you try to prove with this link. TTPIP is history, as it was not on the interest of the empire it ceased to exist.

It was not in the interest of europe

It doesn’t matter. While it was not in the interest of europe it was being enforced, it was only blocked because the empire himself saw it was not on his own interest. Don’t you see a pattern?!

What pattern???

If you can’t see it is pointless for me to explain to you.

Ehh, that is a contradiction pall. If i did see it, you wouldn’t have to explain it anymore…

If you did see I wouldn’t need to explain, but you should see it, there are only two reason for you not to see the pattern, one is you are stupid, two is you don’t want to see, with both it is pointless for me to explain.

The riddler, i don’t even remember when you started about some pattern…; )

I just see a pattern in our conversation :)))

Hahaha, you see everything in terms of war, do you ever get out of southfront? I guess you are a weapon freak, obsessed with violence

While I, who live in a country that made no war with any other country since WW2, see everything in terms of war, which is what real politics is, you avoid to see war as force driving of politics while living in Europe, which acts like a pack of wardogs for the empire never stopping its wars of aggression.

Your peace is an illusion and your countries are connivent with the crimes of the empire because you’re all stooges, all cannon fodders fo the empire.

You are crazy, most ” cannon fodder” comes from the “empire”
How many europeans died in the usa wars, compared with americans? You have a very simple view on world politrics. So wich country did not make war since WW II?

You are cannon fodders, the territories themselves are just launching pads for ICBMs, airplanes, ABM batteries, when war start you will be utterly toasted, carpet bombed by russian nukes, tell me what value will have your living standards then?!

You brought this upon yourselves by giving up your sovereignity.

Untill now this is just your fantasy, nothing more ;)))

What is fantasy? That USA has ICBMs, airplanes, ABM batteries on EU? That russia is moving even more tactical nukes to Kaliningrad as we speak?

I advise you to check military news more often.

The fantasy is that we will be toasted. As a matter of fact, the nukes made peace, nobody is stupid enough to use them

If pushes comes to shove they will be used, and we’re practically at that point with stupid imperialist actions around the world.

Nothing new about that. Big chance the USA power will decline, but not in their interest to start a nuclear war, they won’t get back what they allready lost.
Their main problems: the debt, their disfunctional political system, the elite that don’t give a fuck and actualy benefit on the decline, the privatisation of their army, not enough opportunities for the mayority of the population

I know europe plays dirty, but it is not ruled by the usa, that is nonesense. It rather uses the usa for its own benefit and let big stupid brother do the dirty work…

Like buying gas from USA from a higher price than it would buy from Russia… yes, that is really on european interest… being flooded by muslims because of the wars of the empire too, you must be thrilling!

You do realize that Germany has a demographic problem right? And that it doesn’t want to become dependent on Russia right?

And by importing muslims you will have cultural/social/security problem, among others.

Importing gas at higher prices than russia sell do not make you less dependent, it doesn’t matter what country you depend upon, it just tells us who is your master.

This proces started almost 60 years ago, sure there are some problems, like in any immigration country. Russia has some problems with immigrants from kavkaz and central asia, similair problems in south africa, usa, parts of india, west of turkey, just about anywhere that attracts migrants

Some Kurds are Iraqi patriots. The Iraqi general who commanded the Kirkuk operation is Kurdish.

When the corrupted shia government stops their sectarian policies, then Iraq could work. Unfortunately it did not work like that up till now

What they did to warrant using sectarian for them?
Isn’t the Iraqi president a Sunni Kurd? Isn’t the parliament’s speaker a Sunni?
Aren’t people of other religion’s other than Shi’as in Iraqi government? How many of ministers of the cabinet are Shi’a?

Why do you repeat this? Do you like to be proved wrong?

I used sectarian only once, the other post i used corrupt

What? That means you didn’t say it?

How corrupt?
Is the head of Iraqi government unwilling to let go of power after FOUR years passing his legal term, too?
Did he dissolve the parliament in order to remain in his seat too?

Did he attempt an illegal referendum after land grab to divert attention from himself and his clan too?
Did he sell the stolen oil and didn’t pay for his militia and government employees too?

You just repeat and repeat whatever the shills on Kurdish TVs repeat.
Think for yourself, you won’t die, I promise.

mayebe you just repeat press tv….;)))

Maybe I’m like a parrot.
Logic? Garga is a bird, Parrot is a bird, so Garga should be a parrot, parroting Press TV!

Seriously, are the above statements false?

Garga means crow, right? A very intelligent bird ; ) No your statements are not necessarily wrong. I try to understand what is going on in the world, just like you. We could have diferent opinions though…

Curses! My secret is blown!
Here, take this bribe, just don’t tell Solomon.

I promise not to tell him ; )

See? I changed it, in case he comes back….

Thanks. You can change it into **** to tease him even more.

Who brought in these corrupt sectarian shia politicians like Maliki inc.??

They entered Iraq on American tanks.

The solution is very simple: All US embassies in the Middle East need to be closed and US bases need to vacated. Bush/Blair/Obama/Hillary/AIPAC & co need to be arrested for war crimes and high treason. There is no other solution to permanent peace.

they stay. i am talking about those, who hate iraq.

Leave? To europe?

mars is empty. there are 2 continents. one for kurds, one for jews.

Pathetic little clown : ))

:))

Lol! I was just about to say the same thing… Where’s Mr. DutchNational-Oven-Baker?

Yes, these small moments of jubilation helps one to carry on with life.
Iraqi army is hardly a militia though, donchathink?
Too bad PMU didn’t participate so far, I guess Iraqis are too smart for Barzani and his lies.

Now the people of Karkuk can elect their representatives as they used to, away from Barzani’s bayonets.

As they used to? When could they really choose?

When they elected TWO successive Sunni Kurds as their president.
When they elected their representatives in parliament. When they elected a Sunni as the head of parliament.
Your problem is NOT the majority of the Iraq’s population which is Shi’a.
Saddam hurt Shi’as worse than Kurds, or did you forget?

what is garga?

Do you mean “What is A Garga”?
It’s a bird, but I’m not going to tell you which one!

I used to know a guy, named ‘Solomon “Solly” Shimshillewitz’. Very funny guy, a comedian. Lived in London and even one time he punched a Rabbi.
You are both named Solomon and are both funny. Any relations?

It’s a bird, but I’m not going to tell you which one!
;(

short before i entered disqus under thios name, i saw move king solomons mines. this os the only reason of chosen name.

Not The Man Who Knew too Much?

Luckily for us all, you weren’t watching “Captain America”, otherwise we had to deal with a self-righteous goody two-shoes schmuck!

If you include iran, you are right

Let’s first clear the situation on “corrupt sectarian Shi’a government” of Iraq, then we’ll go to Iran.

I don’t like sideways jumping.

Sorry, but you stated that the shia suffered more then the kurds under saddam…..within iraq this is not true! Based on what sources do you dare to say this? That is why i mentioned iran

Based on the experiences of my 3 uncles and a large extended family.
All of them tortured, half of them murdered, all their belongings confiscated and they managed to walk out of Iraq barely alive, some with permanent disability.

Yes, I DARE say it loudly. You’re not the only ones suffered and not even the ones who suffered the most.

Ok, sorry to hear that!

No problem, but it wasn’t me. And they weren’t the only ones suffered under Saddam.
Today Saddam is no more.

The national assembly in Iraq wasn’t a bright example of democracy… and the council of representatives is not either

If I had a sectarian mindset I would agree, because a sectarianist would think how is it possible with a Shi’a majority population, the president and the head of parliament be Sunni?

But I’m not, and tell you that these are the tools in your disposal if you believe in a democracy. Kurds helped to write Iraq’s constitution, they wrote KRG’s internal law and since first elections after Saddam, two Kurds were Iraq’s presidents.
When you want something politically, you compromise. You give something and receive something in return. It’s not possible to just demand or demand something which is not within your right. I’m talking about the occupied regions outside KAR, not autonomy.
KAR enjoyed an autonomy which most areas in most countries don’t have. But I guess that wasn’t enough.

No it wasn’t because the constitution might be nice, in practice it dors not function. If Iraq was really working as their constitution prescribes, ISIS would never had the support it had when they grabbed power in the sunni parts of Iraq for example

Without a foreign supporter, it was impossible for it to be the ISIS of 2014.
Iraq has a lot of problems, one of the biggest is minority is unwilling to accept the majority, as democracy implies and some wish to revert to the good old days of the past.

No, democracy is not the mayority that impose their will on minorities, this wrong thinking happens a lot…

It’s not imposing if you participated in the vote.

Would you define Democracy for me then?

Democracy is voting, but it is also about protecting the rights of the minorities and about the trias politica

The president of iraq is a ceremonial function as well as the head of parliament….

PMU thugs??? Our kurdish zio lover went over the top :)

yeah right herr miron, everybody that doesn’t share your zio fantasies is a zio lover :)))

Not all of Kurds are traitors. There are brave and patriot Kurds which I’m sure you don’t like.
The traitors are traitor to their country, democratically elected government of Iraq by the majority of Iraqis and to Iraq’s constitution and KRG’s internal law.

matt is kurdish taitor. i wrote in singular, but stupid english language, you know ….

No, he just listens to separatists too much.

solomon is the wisestest :)

Well, where is your time machine then? You made the claim, now back it up. Prove the historical record wrong. Because the historical record says nobody cheered. Except for a few cases in a few countries where the invaders kicked out a bigger dick.

are you a librarian if some historical record library?
when did you check those records? Or did you write a thesis on cheering or not cheering crowds when invading armies marched in?
my point of view is based on human behaviour, most people just look after themselves and their families. If that means cheering to save your ass, they will.