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The Molotov – Rippentrop solution also gave Stalin direct borders to west and Germany.

Why is that censured away.

Several million Russian troops actually left the safer and very modern Stalin line for that and into improvised positions.

Thats where You find the reasons for the many dead Russians.

And not all was straight Russian soil at all as well.

I hope You soon will get internet and by that free information included maps and youtubes about it. I dont see the relevancy as well.

When Poles are liberated form the USSR collapse and by thta also becomes memebers of Nato as well as EU, should they by that have no own military forces as well as support with the new friends.

Poles should rearrange their military forces to Holland or Spain:)

It’s not censured away, Jens. A proper criticism of Stalin’s leadership is an open subject in Soviet and Russian history and was openly if respectfully discussed after Stalin’s death and the execution of Beria.

Stalin purged the Army leadership. Stalin made the M-R agreement after the Western Allies refused the USSR appeals for a deterrent alliance, and after Western promises to Prague proved to be a sad joke. Stalin believed in the ten year non-aggression clause, even despite reports of German overflights, troop movements, etc. And Stalin doubted intelligence sources from Richard Sorge and from Switzerland which predicted Barbarossa down to one day off.

Most of all Stalin insisted that territorial buffers in Poland, the Baltic States and Finland were necessary for more security space despite the fact that Soviet fortifications farther East were formidable. Stalin insisted that these fortifications be moved forward to the treaty line believing he had ten years to be ready. This information isn’t censured at all and has been covered by Glantz and others, including Russian historians in the Yeltsin Era.

What is censured, or hidden in the West, is an accurate telling of what the USSR did to win the war, an accurate understanding among most Westerners regarding the costs to the Soviet people and certainly no accurate discussion regarding the burdens and sorrows they had to bear. Not everyone could surrender within one weekend, like Copenhagen.

Again You lie and are highly incorrect.

It was USSR which did not join the rest having made deescalation, which mainly Chamerlain was blamed for. France was a part of that treaty.

It also was to punish France.

Your version for Poles is far out too. USSR as the only one lost WW1 three times and for very good reasons.

You ignore USSR from 1930 was in warmode producing weapons as well as soldiers and millions of them.

You even ignore USSR from about 1935 was in extra warmode producing and develloping the Red Army and the rest, so people hardly had something to eat, roofs and healt care.

You also – OF COURSE – ignore Russia by the Tzars was the ones – which was showed again in 1991 – was the expoansive Neocolonialists.

If any needed some buffers, it was the many smal ones. You are an idiot.

Nothing is hidden here. It was hiden by systematic manipulation for the whole Comecon/Warzaw pact, so people there after a few generations didnt know their own past. Thats how it is and was.

Iyts exact the same for Ukraine, Belarus and Poland. Those Countries and their populations systematicly has been moved west and has been repopulated by Russians.

So when people there – some of them fx west of Minsk use the red and white Pilsuski flag its because it was Pokand and the majority was Poles. If You say no, I allow me to add the millions of killed Jews there, which also not was accepted as Russians-.

Here You of course ignore Ukraine dor very good reasons didnt like the Bolsjevics and the civile war as well as what happend next.

I dont blame people even being nazis there. You blame them for being not lovers to the rest of the slaves there as well as not supporting the Sovjet declining and collapse.You show no respect for people has to choose.

If any need buffers and fence it the people kept as prisoners by fence and wall all the way to west of Berlin.

Nonsensical drivel, Jens. The USSR sent representatives to London and Paris, and they were left cooling their heels. The representatives that the UK sent to Moscow were low ranking and not even authorized to make a deal. The Western Powers had read Mein Kampf and knew that the USSR was the ultimate Reich target, and hoped the USSR would fight Germany first, so they did nothing. They didn’t even honor their treaty obligations to the Czechs and the Slovaks. That’s when Stalin switched to a pro-German Foreign Minister and cut a deal to try and keep the USSR out of the war. And he was right to; the British and French didn’t even honor their treaty obligations to assist Poland, Western newsprint of the era themselves calling it “a phony war.”
Of course the USSR armed during the 1920’s and 1930’s. The USSR had already been invaded by the Western powers after the First World War. Japan was arming up and the USSR had to fight them off before anything happened in Europe. Sovereign states have the right to develop defenses, Jens. It’s not an evil act.
Your claim was that these events were censured in the USSR and Russia. That’s a lie. After Stalin, his leadership was open to criticism as the USSR de-Stalinized. And these events, pro and con, are openly discussed there today.

Watch Soviet Storm. It tells the story. By June 6, 1944, the Soviet forces were proceeding west and the final result was inevitable and only the delusional madman running Germany could believe otherwise.

Didn’t the Stalin admin get “that territorial buffer” in Finland by hitting their own people with artillery fire, framing Finland for it, and justifying the Winter War? Khrushchev copped to the Shelling of Mainila being a false flag attack.

As the saying goes, Ricky, “The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.” Maybe Stalin “believed in the ten year non-aggression clause,” but why would anyone else believe when his admin already showed a history of lying people into wars…?

My reading of the Winter War is different than your interpretation. The Finns sent a delegation to Moscow and were openly given an ultimatum. Stalin even joked with them that they’d get 100% approval in the Finnish legislature, laughing loudly. The Russians wanted Finnish withdrawals in certain areas and wanted a base farther West along the Gulf of Finland. It was open selfishness designed to make the USSR more secure while taking from Finland and causing war, which Finland lost, then lost again after joining an alliance with Germany. Today’s border between the Russian Federation and Finland exists along the parameters of Stalin’s 1940 demands.
People can believe whatever they want. But factually, Germany violated the agreement and the USSR kept every detail of it. That’s historical fact.

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A link to a sex site? Here I thought I was clicking on something with a narrative about the Winter War. But, smut. Like so much of western civilization these days.

OK, so if the Stalin admin’s “open selfishness” led to them attacking their own people and lying everyone into a war with Finland, when Germans argued that the Stalin admin was preparing to do the same to them and struck first, isn’t that somewhat reasonable…?

I don’t think so. The level of force brought at the frontier line on launch off night was overwhelming. It was predator and prey. Given the goals to absorb Russia’s resources, destroy Saint Petersburg (I see no need for a metropolis at this location) and turn the Moscow region into a massive reservoir, it would be difficult to understate the aggressive and long term planning for the attack. And reading in Hitler’s long term ideas for settling the problems in the East, it’s hard to see it for anything other than what it was: a brutal war for conquest.

Ricky, have you considered a conquer-or-be-conquered scenario? Please compare old Hitler to “new Hitler” Putin: The Maidanites and the “international clique” oligarchs are preparing to lie everyone into a “new” war around Ukraine, but if Russia struck first, wouldn’t that appear like “overwhelming” force? Today, we have the advantage of the Internet and alternative media to make more objective sense of these things; people 80 years ago, not so much…

What you describe makes sense, it just didn’t happen that way. Germany delayed Barbarossa to go down to the Balkans and aid Italy. If they really expected a huge attack from the massive Red Army, they would have told Italy no way. Got a four alarm fire expected any day up here. Handle your business. But, they knew they had time. So, South they went.

Also, I have a problem with anyone who describes Vladimir Putin as a new “Hitler.” Mr. Putin lost family to the Nazi invasion and is about the farthest thing from a fascist that one could find.

Ahh, but how much time did they have? An indefinite amount because the Soviets were never going to attack? Or enough time to help Italy before the Soviets attacked? Back to Ex-Soviet Russia, something similar happened with Russian troops being sent to help Syria in 2015 despite the inevitability of the Maidanites escalating over Ukraine. Turns out the escalation might happen years later, but what reason does anyone have to deny it was going to happen eventually…?

As for “new Hitler” Putin, please bear with me here:

”We are opposing to those people… that ‘world elite’ which plans to establish technogenic based neo-slavery system seriously and forever. Under such world disorder, there will simply be no place for majority of people. Every ordinary fighter realizes it here… After Russia disintegrates, we will get world structure ruled literally by the devil.”
~ Donbass militia member Gennadiy Dubovoi, 2014

“The present Republic is a colony of slaves at the service of the stranger. At best it has subjects, but not citizens… For by enforcing a policy of financial blackmail, to squeeze the last ounce of substance out of its people, it is forced also to take their last rights away from them, lest the general discontent may one day flame up into open rebellion.”
~ “Mein Kampf”

See the similarities, Ricky? As Dubovoi implied, the Putin administration’s policies are aligned against neo-slavery and financial blackmail, so as far as the “international clique” elites are concerned, Putin is “new Hitler.”

poles as racist and incompetent as Danes—although they could easily occupy your nazi nation, as did the Germans in WWII
you racist idiot…M-R created only after fascist Western Europe/USA refused to ally w USSR vs nazi Germany…jens so stupid she does not realize almost as many Ukrainians died in WWII as Russians, many Uzbeks, etc
USSR defeated both nazis and Japan—if not for the USSr u would be part of Germany—racist cowardly Danes always submissively ask their US master for lube w dildo

Poles compared to You are very normal ones, which dont invade other contries.

You totally ignore USA as many other in the world tryed to deescalate things and by that also dint care half a camel about things, You say they should.

In 1938 they by those good reasons only had 400.000 soldiers and as in WW1 tryed hard to be out of Europe apart from trading with anyone there. The 180.000 of those were the National FGueard, which was not allowed to leave the country.

In 1938 they went up to 1 million soldiers, but it was because of a maybee comming trade war against the Jappanse. Here USA had no weapons for it. They could not transport themself as well as they had no supply or even logistics for it.

Your version for what I know and dont know seemes very visible. I do know much more then You ever will.

Your version for the russians against the Japenese is totally againt the treaty with Rosewelt, Stalin and Churchill. USA and partly Brittts defeated Japan. That was a writtenagrement. You talk abourt bfore that and the Manchoko expansion Here You are right but also wrong.

Bit USSR and Russia should have left China as well as the areas around them alone. They didnt. Here Russia did beat Japan.

We dont have the same good realations to dildos as You have.Maybee Russia should have more minaretes:)

Cannot tell if serious… No, Jens, the USA was active in sanctions and provocations years before WW2, much like some of the other Allies. Ever heard of the book, “War is a Racket”? US Major General Smedley Butler sarcastically warned, “The Japanese, a proud people, of course will be pleased beyond expression to see the United States fleet so close to Nippon’s shores. Even as pleased as would be the residents of California were they to dimly discern through the morning mist, the Japanese fleet playing at war games off Los Angeles.” And he said this in 1935.

Butler also said, “In China in 1927 I helped see to it that the Standard Oil went its way unmolested.” He was referring to his Marine Expeditionary Force, but the US military was active in China at least since the Boxer Rebellion almost 30 years before that. Does the US moving more and more of its forces around Japan sound like trying “to deescalate things”…?

“USSR defeated both nazis and Japan:” And now here you are complaining about how “Western Europe/USA,” which were providing the USSR with billions of dollars worth of logistical support and military aid, are now running Germany and Japan…

“Great Patriotic War” propaganda aside, the world oligarchs are still causing trouble in large part due to the Soviets.

The players’ roles were different in WW2. Back then, Germany was with the “axis of evil” countries, Danzig in Poland had the shared ethnic population which was annexed to protect them, and Soviet Russia was receiving American military aid.

Ex-Soviet, Christian Russia’s role is now that of Nationalist Socialist Germany’s. Why do you think Putin is the “new Hitler,” his ally, “butcher Assad” is “gassing people for no reason,” and his other ally, “dictator Xi” is “putting innocent minorities in camps”?

The goal of all these provocations, sacrificing Ukrainian and NATO forces, etc. is not just for “buying US products.” The world oligarchs want to justify shutting down the Internet and alternative media (like South Front), ramp up the “Make America Great Again” / “Build Back Better” infrastructure creation, feed all those jobs and production into their military-industrial complexes, and build their vassals up to a point where they can get regime change against the “axis of evil.” It is what the Project for a New American Century called a “new Pearl Harbor.”

US aid?
Wasn’t that a loan, paid back by war materials and reparations. And it was a tiny percentage of what the Soviets themselves paid in with financial and physical cost.
Hitler couldn’t have built squat without the backing of the wealthy elites and international financiers.
Russia does it in spite of them.
No one applied economic sanctions against Adolf or Germany, Japan yes, but not the Germans.

Strategically speaking, RIW, the Lend-Lease Act was not “a tiny percentage” in relation to the Soviets’ military needs. According to Weeks’s “Russia’s Life-Saver: Lend-Lease Aid to the U.S.S.R. in World War II,” the US provided around 93% of the Soviets’ produced railroad equipment, about 33% of their trucks, and 30% of their cargo aircraft. That kind of logistical support mattered; I mean, the Soviets were not going to walk everything to Berlin, right?

Secondly, we could make the same argument that Putin’s Russia or Xi’s China “couldn’t have built squat without the backing of the wealthy elites and international financiers.” Even now, for example, “Western” countries are continuing to import Russian oil, Chinese manufactured goods, etc. Does that mean Putin and Xi’s policies are mostly in-line with the banker gangsters and there will not be major regime change wars against them…?

“When compared to workers in America, the UK, Sweden and France, workers in Nazi Germany were paid the least. However, in the area of imports/exports, Nazi Germany did quite well. In 1933, 1935, 1936 and 1937 there was a trade surplus while the annual trade deficit of 1934 and 1937 were relatively small.”
~ “Nazi Germany and the Economic Miracle,” C.N. Trueman

Low worker wages compared to foreigners but having so much domestic production there are trade surpluses is exactly what China is doing now to reduce poverty and grow the middle class. Do you really believe the corrupt elites and financiers are happy China is doing that with the money? Then why would they be happy with Germany doing the same thing?

The Soviets’ policies were a different story: They enacted similar false flag wars (see: the Shelling of Mainila), waste, fraud, abuse socioeconomics (see: the Holodomor, Chernobyl May Day cover-up), supporting of other dubious administrations (see: Afghanistan’s Saur coup), etc. that we see in “Western” bankster-run countries.

But it was still a loan, and the amount of supplies shipped to Russia was nowhere near the rates you quote.
Russia and China both sell goods to the world, the Nazis built weapons for their army. No comparison with the Germans being fed money so as to start a war against Russia/SU, and the normal everyday commerce Russia does today.

Sorry, RIW, but what is with this fixation on the Soviets paying back the loan? Their American Studebaker trucks are eerily similar to, say, the Wahhabists’ American pick-up trucks, but just because oil, gold, factory infrastructure, etc. is being used to pay for the materiel, does that make it legit…?
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If you are going to claim “the amount of supplies shipped to Russia was nowhere near the rates you quote,” you will need evidence to counter it. Historians, even Russian ones like Evgeniy Spitsyn admit the nonlethal military aid was significant, but then try to hand wave it by saying that Americans like Rockefeller and Ford continued oil and automotive business deals with Germany. However, he presents another similarity with today’s continued “Western” business with Russia and China in spite of the real, regime change warmongering.
https://conspiracyanalyst.org/2015/05/18/wwii-lend-lease-was-the-us-aid-that-helpful-ii/

If you were not aware from South Front’s reporting on Russia’s hypersonic missiles and drones, “Russia and China… [like] the Nazis [also] built weapons for their army.” Obviously, Russia and China are not only producing weapons, but neither did Germany, hence the years of trade surpluses and middle class growth. Arguing that Germany’s industry was only about weapons is similar to today’s propaganda that Russia’s industry is only about weapons.

Face facts: The world elites were fine with the Soviets and their Bolshevik-brand Communism, just like the elites showed they were fine with China’s Bolshevik-brand Communism when they began normalizing “Western” relations with China and outsourcing corporate production in the 1970s. It is only now that the Soviets are gone and Christian Russia has returned that we are seeing world war levels of propaganda and provocations against Russia. Without today’s quick access to counter-propaganda, like through South Front, why wouldn’t you believe the “new Hitler” narrative against Putin like you believe the old Hitler narrative…?

They got a loan from the USA, Britain. They paid it back. The Russians say 4% of the war effort was by loans. The Russians appreciated the equipment, but don’t be naive in over stating its importance. I couldn’t give a bollox what proof you want, stop reading Mein Kampf and look elsewhere.
Russia and China both sell products to the world, the Nazis did not. People like you say Russia only sells weapons, I didn’t. The Nazis got their money as they were puppets for the bankers, who needed a martial nation to attack Russia.

You can post all day, I hate Nazis and no amount of bollox at all will change my mind about the gay Austrian rent boy.

Not enough people cared about seeing proof that “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction:” How well did that turn out? Sorry, RIW, but your thinking, hating things regardless of facts and evidence is exactly the kind of opening the banksters have always exploited and will keep exploiting if we continue to smooth-brain this.

Let’s assume you want to do better and lead by example. My guess is that you do not support people falsely believing the banksters’s warmongering narratives, yeah? Well, World War 2 is not a magical oasis where the warmongering was legit.

1.) Lend-Lease’s loan nature is irrelevant and devaluing its importance, particularly of the nonlethal aid, requires stronger evidence.

2.) Germany’s trade surpluses are a fact and this was achieved by exporting mostly manufactured goods. If you want to argue that Germany’s exports were all weapons, again, that requires stronger evidence.

3.) The banksters using Germany as “a martial nation to attack Russia” is not supported by the actual war. Most military aid was shipped to the Soviets in 1944 when it was clear they would defeat Germany. Then there is the 1945 Lend-Lease aid: It was still about half of what the Soviets received the year before, and that’s with the aid finally stopping in September. The banksters obviously wanted the Soviets to win.

The banksters paid the Germans to do their fighting for them, and the Germans went along with it.

If the banks wanted the SU to win, then they would have been the ones supplying all the money to bankrupted nations, not the US. The USA loaned to all sides, like how they sent Venezuelan oil to German forces right up until 1945. The banks tried their best to help the US to advance through Europe, and the Germans helped them by keeping the vast majority of their forces in the East.

Germany sold nothing, no VWs, no BMWs, these companies became world leaders after the war, again, with US/UK aid. Payback for German sacrifices for big finance.

Thanks, that’s much better. Spitsyn’s article also explains why the US was the “dominant” puppet country “supplying all the money to bankrupted nations.” He quotes Terkel’s “The Good War” as saying, “While the rest of the world came out bruised and scarred and nearly destroyed, we [Americans] came out with the most unbelievable machinery, tools, manpower, money.” The US took less damage than the SU, so the US took the lead with the banksters. That’s it.

Next, what do you mean the banksters wanted “to help the US to advance through Europe”? What would be the point of that? So the US forces could save Germany? Fight the Soviets? That makes zero sense. If the Soviets were the banksters’ true enemy, why split the US’s war effort by fighting Japan? Germany’s ally? Why weren’t the US, Germany, Japan, etc. all framed as “allies” or “frenemies” from years before the war when the propaganda and provocations began? After the war, why didn’t the US fight the SU? US General George Patton planned to finish off the Soviets, yet he got into a minor car “accident” and died, various excuses were made for why “the West” could not do what Patton was ready to do, and when the Soviets developed “their own” nukes, those were used as the excuse.

Yes, RIW, the USA, or rather, the banksters “loaned to all sides,” including sides they wanted real regime change against. They still do that. But considering Germany got real regime change while the SU did not, even though the banksters could have made that happen, why is it so unbelievable the banksters wanted regime change against Germany, not the SU…?

Slight correction on this one: “These companies became world leaders after the war, again, with US/UK indefinite military occupation.” The banksters treated and continue to treat Germany like they conquered it because they did. Then there is the nature of some of Germany’s current trade, like the Dolphin nuclear-capable submarines being shipped to “Israel.” Do you think Iraq and Iran would have sympathized with Nationalist Socialist Germany, and got invaded by the Allies because of it, if the country were a Zionist vassal like it is now?

Speaking of Zionists, please note that the Soviets were supporting the Zionists’ weird chemical weapon claims with “Nazi gas chambers” long before the White Helmets were doing it with “Assad gassed people.”

Good to know the Soviets were warning us about Nazi gas chambers.

So the US are now supporting the Nazis again, in Idlib, Libya,Nigeria, Mozambique etc.
They never change.

Cannot tell if serious…
You mean the MacGyver-esque “shower rooms” turned delousing pesticide “Nazi gas chambers” which were eventually retconned to all be on the Soviets’ side of Berlin? Where camp detainees’ hair was cut, not to protect the detainees from head lice (hence all the Zyklon-B), but for “hair-yarn booties for submarine crews and hair-felt-socks for the Reich’s railway workers”? Three years’ worth of human hair footwear is nowhere to be found, but the Soviets have always been a trustworthy source… Maybe the hair socks are where Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction are hiding… [/sarcasm]
https://www.cwporter.com/gussr511.htm

Come on, RIW: If people had the Internet and alternative media back then, a way to investigate and analyze these claims without waiting years or decades, we would be treating it like the Wahhabists’ claims “Assad gassed people for no reason.”
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Let’s do the math: The banksters were supporting and pretending to fight the Soviets for almost 70 years, longer when one considers that the banksters hated the Christian, anti-serfdom tsars and had every reason to back the Marxist-Leninist Atheists to murder the tsars along with millions of other Christians. The banksters were doing the same with the Wahhabists and Al-CIA-da spin-offs for almost 40 years and counting. That’s how controlled opposition works, being kept around indefinitely.

Considering the banksters crushed the Nationalist Socialists after only 12 years in power, what logical conclusion can be reached besides “the US are now supporting the Soviets again, in Idlib, Libya,Nigeria, Mozambique etc.”?

It’s all over the internet print news, Jens, and if the US wants to provoke war, it will be all over the MSM news. Do you read?

“… if the US wants to provoke war, it will be all over the alternative media news.”

Fix’d that for you, Steve. In the MSM, there will be news the US’s “beautiful” bombs protecting “freedom and democracy” from the hands of “Russian aggression.”

We have been through this already with the previous world wars. In fact, about one month before years of American sanctions and provocations led to Japan attacking Pearl Harbor, US Congressman Wright Patman criticized the Great Depression and the banker gangsters’ “idiotic system” of “the Federal Government borrowing the use of its own money.” He said, “I believe the time will come when people will demand that this be changed.” After FDR and the MSM pretended Japan attacked for no reason, Americans kept the banksters and fought Japan instead.

Today, the Internet and alternative media have been doing good work to defuse the warmongering and shift people attention to the real enemy, the idiotic money system, but what will happen when the censorship and media repression against the alt media really ramp up is anyone’s guess.

Thoughtful response. We both agree that MSM is a propaganda tool, and it is true that they lie by omission just as often, if not more, than by commission.

LSD Jens knows zero believe his LGBT hallucinations to be reality

As far as I understand, the Armenians’ Russian SAMs couldn’t track slow-flying drones nor engage them above an altitude of 5000 meters. What S-300s they had failed to even fire and hit anything before they were destroyed by Turkish drones.

cornhole understands very far—all the way to fake news guardian

Exactly, I’m not even gonna bother with his constant repeating of that lie. He doesn’t learn, he just keeps spouting the same BS.

You are denying the facts below:

As far as I understand, the Armenians’ Russian SAMs couldn’t track slow-flying drones nor engage them above an altitude of 5000 meters. What S-300s they had failed to even fire and hit anything before they were destroyed by Turkish drones.

cornhole understands fake anglo news…no s-300s in arts
even s-200 have shot down amerikan planes over syria
cornhole=military expert
LOL

They couldn’t because the Armenian S 300 version was designed in a pre drone era and not meant to engage very small targets moving very slowly.

Neither could the other Russian systems they had except for the Tor with limited success only.

The S-300’s Armenia has are older models, and not even as useful as the S-300PMU2 owned and operated by the Azeri. Russian Radars are better than the export models and way better than the older export models, and can illuminate larger drones just fine. Loitering munitions, made from mostly plastics and composites like Israel’s Harop (exported to the Azeri) are hard to track on most radars. But Russia doesn’t have to track them, they have newer auto-cannons mounted on armored vehicle chassis with 360 degree optical and infrared sensor coverage. Some Russian BMP’s are also equipped with an anti-drone optical option. And Russia’s forces have way better EW equipment and expertise, just keeping a remote drone under control anywhere near their forces is going to be difficult.
We will see some Russian units destroyed by drones and loitering munitions. There will be camera footage. These strikes will be militarily impotent. They won’t occur in numbers enough to effect the outcome of major combat operations. And the bases these drones operate from will experience something that hasn’t happened in NK or in Syria, and only twice in Libya: long range precision fire against the bases that operate and control these units.

So you’re saying the Russians have the technology to track the signals controlling the drones all the way back to the base they’re emanating from and destroy it?
If so, do the Americans also have this ability to isolate and home in on the signal source?
Have the Russians struck the base whence the drone swarms were directed at them? With success?

The Russians have not done so in combat. Iran demonstrated combat capability by blocking the signal to a top of the line U.S. drone and acquiring partial control of it, causing it to crash land. They recovered the drone.
Russia has specialized battlefield EW equipment able to determine direction and intensity of distant signals. They could jam these signals or use anti-radiation guided missiles to destroy the emitters. In an American strike on Syria in 2018 Russian EW defenses interfered with cruise missile re-targeting guidance causing some Tomahawks to strike the same building that had already been destroyed.
I’m not certain about American capabilities but I’d suspect them to be similiar in both EW warfare and anti-radiation suppression.

Thanks for the information. Another rude person mentioned that the cannon in your pictures is a 57mm piece. How effective is that going to be against loitering munitions or drones flying at an altitude of 5000 meters?

Well they are slightly more powerful with a longer range than naval units I’m familiar with that are effective at 3000 meter ranges to 5000 meter ranges. But if loitering munitions or drone fired missiles attack from the top axis position the range would drop slightly. But a positive feature of autocannon defenses, especially when operating together to provide team fire support ( something not seen with surface to air missiles in Nagorno- Karabak) is the range of motion provided by the gun and it’s optical sensors. Meaning it can target directly above, or near to it while it’s networked neighbor opens up from an oblique angle as well. Only a drone swarm is going to beat enough of these things to get around them and get at the equipment and personnel they’re protecting. The best defense against that would be decoys and or destruction of launching sites, vehicles, or aircraft.

Thanks again.
The surest way to defeat the drones is to destroy the launching site then. Good reconnaissance assets would be crucial for the job.

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A single-barrel light cannon? What’s the rate of fire/effective range on this piece? Do you know what the Russians supposedly used against the drone swarms attacking their base in Syria?

Its a 57mm autocannon. Just shows how little you know….

Dumb slapper.

Armenia only used one TOR M2…it was in Martuni region….and that system shot down 2 TB2 and 10 Harop&Orbiter drones….AZ couldnt destroy it….and only when was spotted by special forces using an small Cuadracopter drone…that TOR M2 was destroyed when was hided in a grain…

Indeed, Putin is Jewish: https://www.quora.com/Was-Vladimir-Putins-mother-Jewish?share=1

Why, you’re ashamed of being Jewish?

What? I think you are 100 % nuts.

Putin is Jewish: https://www.quora.com/Was-Vladimir-Putins-mother-Jewish?share=1

It appears you’re wrong about that: https://www.quora.com/Was-Vladimir-Putins-mother-Jewish?share=1

right. See that i updated my comment to say, “or perhaps it’s obvious to us all”. If you have any specifics, I wouldn’t mind reading them.

2021 is not 2014.

Go back to Haifa Joseph – you babylonian talmud rabbi is calling you. You’re the dumbest troll I’ve seen on the internet – so far.

I am not Jewish, just a long time resident of Kyiv.

Your anti-semitism is loud and clear though!

Just out of interest were you always a racist bigot or did you have to work at it?

Dobre – I’m a long time resident of Crimea – and worked for a Kyiv/Moscow company in 08 . I hope your tanks and your Zionist Jew leaders – do the Unthinkable. And you, as an educated man, should now understand about the Zionist Jews their Pecheneg/ Khazarian history. And who backs the Wars going on. Of course it’s not all jews – I have friends in Israel – no offense. oo dah chee – I hope your Neo nazi’s don’t track you down and beat you , for conversing in Russian. lol

I don’t speak Russian but most business in Ukraine is discussed in Russian as you are well aware.

The wars in our area are not started by Ukraine. Defending one’s country against invaders is al that is happening here after all it wasn’t Ukraine who attacked Russia it was Russia who attacked Ukraine when not shooting down passenger jets.

Strange how Putin said on many occasions that Ukraine and Russia are the same people we are brothers. Then we rejected Russia in favour of Europe and suddenly we are Neo Nazis.

Ask yourself why the children of all the Russian leaders live in the West … maybe because it is better.

That must be why Lavrov’s daughter is an American and why Putin’s kids live in The Neherlands.

You seem to be very anti-semitic, are your friends in Israel arabs?

You are really programed — us Alaskans never got programed. Paka