Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

The Current State of Affairs

At present time, Israel’s top political leadership is in the state of outright hysteria regarding the Lebanese movement Hezbollah.  Recent statements by senior Foreign Affairs and Defence ministries’ officials certainly lead to that conclusion.

“We will not allow Iran and Hezbollah to concentrate their forces in the border areas in the Golan Heights”, the Minister of Defence of Israel Avigdor Lieberman wrote on his Facebook page on 26 April 2017.

“… we are determined not to give our enemy opportunities and even a hint of an opportunity to harm the security of Israel and its inhabitants. We will do everything to prevent the creation of a Shi’ite corridor between Tehran and Damascus”, wrote Avigdor Lieberman on his Facebook page on 7 September 2017.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman (Photo: Gil Yohanan)

On September 11, 2017, he also wrote “I very much advise our northern neighbours not to test us and not to threaten, because we take threats seriously. I do not recommend that they start a conflict with Israel, because for them this will end badly. Very badly”. This is the answer to Syria’s statement about the strike on the Masyaf plant, in the province of Hama in Syria, where according to unconfirmed reports from the Israeli intelligence, a missile production plant operated. “Aggressive actions against the security and stability in the region will have dangerous consequences”, said the communiqué of the Syrian command.

Israel’s Minister of Defence statement of 19 September 2017 was “We do not intend to tolerate any threats or attempts to harm the security of Israel. Whoever tries to undermine our sovereignty, our security, must know that he will pay a very high price. We are ready for any eventuality, from any direction. The IDF will cope with any surprises, problems and threats”. This statement was as a result of the shooting down of the Iranian UAV by the Israeli air defence, launched from southern Lebanon and which has not crossed the Israeli border.

In response Hassan Nasrallah said at the August 13, 2017 rally commemorating the Second Lebanon War that “Israel continuously violates Lebanese airspace, and it complains to the UN about each member of Hezbollah, or any ordinary Lebanese, standing with binoculars on the border”.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Lebanon’s Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah addresses his supporters during a public appearance at a religious procession to mark Ashura in Beirut’s southern suburbs, Lebanon October 12, 2016. REUTERS/Aziz Taher

In addition to the financial and military assistance, United States provides international support in this matter. During the August 23, 2017 UN Security Counci session, Special Envoy of the President of the United States Nikki Haley, responding to a question concerning the extension of the peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon, insisted that the UNIFIL mandate be changed so that the UN peacekeepers could use force against Hezbollah which the US considers “terrorists”. Haley’s comments mirrored those of Israel’s ambassador to the UN Danin Danon who said that “Hezbollah continues activities directed at increasing and strengthening its presence on the southern borders, which threaten the security of the entire region. The international community cannot ignore the danger”.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Nikki Haley

The US and Israel introduced alternative resolutions introduced before the UN Security Council, which call for :

  • provisions to allow UN troops to enter villages occupied by Hezbollah,
  • increasing patrols and conducting more active and intensive inspections on the controlled territory,
  • monitoring events and reporting violations,
  • more thorough examination of Israeli complaints of Hezbollah violations.

The already difficult situation in southern Lebanon and Syria is further complicated by “The Light of Dagan”, a major military exercise named in honour of the former Director of Foreign Intelligence Service of Israel, Mossad, Meir Dagan, which strongly resembles preparations and a rehearsal for armed aggression.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Meir Dagan

The exercise lasted eleven days, from 4 to 14 September 2017, and involved tens of thousands of troops from all branches of service. The exercise legend posited that terrorists attacked the village of Shavey Zion, fifteen kilometres from the Lebanese border and, together with hundreds of Hezbollah fighters from the Radwan units, carried out the invasion in the north, captured civilians. and occupied the local synagogue. Their ultimate goal was to plant Hezbollah flag of the movement on Israeli soil and send a photo to Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah. In response, Israel carried out the evacuation of civilians, then units of the IDF conducted a large-scale operation in southern Lebanon, which was carried out in three stages. The first stage was defensive, including a counter-attack and the deployment of additional units to counter the Hezbollah movements. The second stage consisted of launching an assault on southern Lebanon. The third phase pushed Hezbollah forces back into Lebanon. The exercises were held in southern Galilee to the south from Highway 85 Akko-Carmiel. The goal of the exercises was the full capitulation of the Hezbollah movement, “depriving them of their ability and willingness to resist”. According to the IDF command, the IDF excelled at these tasks.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

IDF reservists sitting atop tanks as they maneuver during a drill at a military zone near Kibbutz Revivim. Credit: Reuters

The Causes of the Aggressive Rhetoric

The first cause is the parliamentary majority in the Knesset consisting of right-wing and ultra-Orthodox Zionists who badly want revenge for the de-facto Israeli defeat in the Second Lebanon war of 2006. These factions exhibit extreme hostility towards Iran and the Shi’a Muslims because of their political and religious unity. This attitude was expressed in the words of the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the IDF, Yair Golan, September 7, 2017 at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

According to Golan, “Iran is far more dangerous to Israel than ISIS because the Iranians are complex, they represent a higher stage of civilization. They have a great academic infrastructure, strong industry, a lot of good scientists, many talented young people. They are very similar to us. Due to the fact that they look like us, they are much more dangerous”.

The second cause is the Israeli flirtation with the Sunni world and with Saudi Arabia in particular, which is taking place with Donald Trump’s blessing expressed in the May 21, 2017 statement at the Arab-Islamic-American Summit labeling Iran the “main sponsor of international terrorism”,  and calling for its isolation. Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly voiced desire to improve relations between Israel and Sunni countries, hinting at Saudi Arabia in particular. According to the Israeli Broadcasting Corporation (ICB) radio, one of the Saudi royal princes made a secret visit to Israel September of 2017 to discuss the “consolidation of peace in the region”.

The third reason is the damage to Syria’s military capabilities which will need years or decades to restore and in the meantime will not be able to provide military assistance to Hezbollah. Many Hezbollah experienced fighters were killed in battle in Syria. Therefore, the leadership of Israel believes that now is the time to inflict a decisive blow to the movement.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

A funeral procession in Lebanon of a Hezbollah fighter killed in Syria. Credit: Reuters

The IDF Today

Currently the IDF in the regional scale is a formidable force. Below are the data from the yearbook Military Balance 2017.

IDF numbers 176 thousand servicemembers, of which 133 thousand are in the Army, 34 thousand in the Air Force, 9.5 thousand in the Navy. In addition, there are 465 thousand troops in reserve. The border police (MAGAV) may provide 8000 troops to assist the military.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Israeli Border Police arrest a Palestinian youth during clashes in the Shoafat refugee camp in East Jerusalem, September 18, 2015. Credit: AFP

Land forces are organised into three regional commands (North, Central, South), two armoured divisions, five territorial infantry divisions, three battalions of Special Forces, and a team of special operations forces. Overall they command a number of separate reconnaissance battalions, three tank brigades, three mechanised brigades (consisting of three mechanised battalions, a combat support battalion and a signal company), a mechanised brigade (consisting of five mechanised battalions), a separate mechanised brigade, two separate infantry battalions, an airborne brigade (composed of three airborne battalions, a combat support battalion and a signal company), and a training tank brigade. Three artillery brigades, three engineering battalions, two military policy battalions, a company of sappers, a chemical protection battalion and a brigade of military intelligence provide battlefield support.

The Navy consists of a surface ship group, a submarine group, as well as a battalion of commandos.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

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The Israeli Air Force consist of two fighter squadrons, five attack squadrons, six mixed fighter-attack squadrons (plus two squadrons in reserve), an ASW squadron, a maritime patrol and support squadron (patrol and transport aircraft, tanker aircraft), two EW squadrons, an AWACS squadron, two squadrons of transport and tanker aircraft, two training squadrons, two squadrons of attack helicopters, four squadrons of transport helicopters, an air ambulance division and three squadrons of UAVs.

It is believed that Israel has nuclear weapons. The number of nuclear warheads is debatable, but its delivery vehicles include F-15 and F-16 fighter jets, the Jericho-2 ballistic medium-range missiles, and Dolphin/Tanin class diesel-electric submarines capable of carrying cruise missiles.

There are nine orbital military and dual-purpose satellites:

  • Three Amos-type satellites.
  • One reconnaissance satellite with remote sensing of the Earth of the EROS type, located on the sun-synchronous orbit.
  • Four optical reconnaissance satellites of the Ofeq type (No. 7, 9, 10 and 11), located in the low earth orbit.
  • One radar-reconnaissance satellite of the TecSAR-1 type, located in low earth orbit.
Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Merkava IV MBT

Land Forces Armaments

Tanks. 500 main battle tanks (Merkava II, III, IV), plus 1060 in storage.

APCs: There are 1200 APCs, including 400 Nagmachon on Centurion MBT chassis, 200 Achzarit heavy APCs on T-55 tank chassis, 100 Namer APCs on Merkava tank chassis, and about 5000 American M113 APCs in storage.

Self-propelled Artillery:

  • 250 155mm M109A5
  • 300 in storage:
    • 155mm Soltam L-33, 30 M109
    • 175mm M107, 203mm M110.

Towed artillery:

  • 276 guns of different types and calibers (all in storage):
    • 5 122mm D-30 howitzers
    • 100 130mm M-46 cannon
    • 40 155mm M-46 cannon
    • 50 155mm M-68 howitzers
    • 81 155m M-839P/845P howitzers).

Multiple Rocket Launchers:

  • 30 227mm M270 MLRS
  • 182 other MRLs in storage, including:
    • 58 122mm BM-21 Grad
    • 50 160mm LAR-160
    • 18 227mm M270 MLRS
    • 36 240mm BM-24
    • 20 290mm LAR-290 in storage

Mortars. All in storage

  • 1100 81mm
  • 650 120mm
  • 18 160mm

Medium range ballistic missiles

  • Approximately 24 rockets of the Jericho-2 type.

Surface-to-Air Missile Systems

  • 20 Machbet.
  • A number of Stinger MANPADS.

Navy Combat Forces

Submarines

  • 5 ships:
    • 3 submarines of the Dolphin class. Armed with 6 533mm torpedo tubes and 4 650mm torpedo tubes. May carry Harpoon SSMs.
    • 2 Tanin type submarines (Dolphin class equipped with air-independent propulsion engines). Armed with 6 533mm torpedo tubes and 4 650mm torpedo tubes. May carry Harpoon SSMs.

Frigates

  • Three Eilat type. Armed with 2 x 4 Harpoon launchers, 2 x Barak SAM launchers, 2 x 3 324mm torpedo tubes, 1 76mm gun, 1 Sea Vulcan.

Missile boats of the Hetz type

  • 8 ships. Armed with 6 Gabriel SSMs, 2 x 2 Harpoon SSMs, 1 Barak SAM launcher, 76mm, 25mm and 20mm cannon.

Patrol boats

  • 18 ships:
    • 5 Shaldag class. Armed with 1 25mm gun.
    • 3 Stingray class. Unarmed, intended for reconnaissance and sabotage operations.
    • 10 Super Dvora MkIII class. May carry SSM and torpedo tubes.

Torpedo boats

  • 13 ships
    • 9 Dvora Mk I class. Armed with 2 324mm torpedo tubes (may carry SSMs)
    • 4 Super Dvora Mk II class. Armed with 2 324mm torpedo tubes.

Torpedo patrol boats

  • 11 Dabur class. Armed with 2 x 1 324mm torpedo tubes.

Air Force

Aircrafts

  • 151 fighters
    • 15 F-15A
    • 6 F-15B
    • 17 F-15C
    • 19 F-15D
    • 77 F16A
    • 16 F16B
  • 248 attack aircraft
    • 25 F-15I
    • 76 F-16C
    • 49 F-16D
    • 98 F-16I
  • Unknown number of A-4N/F-4, F-15-A, F-16A/B, C-7 in storage.

Naval Patrol Aircraft

  • 3 IAI-1124

Electronic Reconnaissance Airplanes

  • 6 RC-12D

EW and AWACS

  • 1 EC-707
  • 3 Gulfstream G550

Tanker Aircraft

  • 4 KC-130H
  • 7 KC-707.

Transport aircraft

  • 62 aircraft of various types

Training aircraft

  • 67 aircraft of various types

Helicopters

Attack helicopters

  • 44 Apache AH-64 A/D

Anti-submarine helicopters

  • 7 Panther AS565SA

Scout helicopters

  • 12 Kiowa OH-58B

Transport helicopters

  • 81 helicopters of various types

UAV

Tactical and electronic intelligence UAV

  • Over 24 UAVs total

Air Defence

Self-propelled guns

  • 165 weapons
    • 105 20mm Vulcan M163
    • 60 23mm ZSU-23-4

Towed air defence guns

  • 755 weapons
    • 150 23mm ZU-23-2
    • 455 20/37mm M167 Vulcan/M-1939/TCM-20
    • 150 40mm L/70 Bofors

IDF Problems

As can be seen from the above list of arms, the IDF at the moment is a unique and astounding combination of nuclear weapons with delivery vehicles, an arsenal of equipment produced in the 1960s and of modern weapons on par with the leading world powers. This combination has its drawbacks and they do not make themselves wait for long.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

An Israeli AH-64 Apache helicopter lands at the Ramon air force base in the Negev Desert, southern Israel, on October 21, 2013. Credit: AFP / Jack Guez

In September 2016, during the removal of the machine gun from a tank at the training base in Shizafon in the south of Israel several soldiers were severely injured.

On 5 October 2016 on the approach to the Ramon airbase in southern Israel the pilot was killed as a result of the ejection from the F-16.

In July 2017 during the course of an exercise, due to his own negligence Lieutenant David Golovenchick was shot dead by a soldier.

On 8 August 2017 an AH-64 helicopter crashed at the Ramon airbase, as a result the pilot was killed, and others sustained injuries.

On 9 August 2017 during IDF operations in the suburbs of Bethlehem, an Israeli soldier suffered wounds of moderate severity as a result of friendly fire.

At the end of August 2017 ten soldiers were lightly injured at the Shizafon base in southern Israel after a smoke grenade exploded.

At the beginning of September 2017 an Israeli soldier was severely injured by a grenade that exploded during military training on the base in the south of the country.

These incidents indicate that the Israeli military has serious shortcomings in the realm of personnel proficiency and equipment maintenance.

The Gideon Plan

In order to give the IDF the ability to confront modern threats from various armed groups, while implementing budget cuts and minimizing the number of accidents, Israel adopted the five-year Gideon Plan in 2015.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Israeli soldiers patrol near Ramallah on Friday, June 20, 2014. Credit: Issam Rimawi/Flash 90

Main Provisions of the Plan

  • Reduction of 2500 professional soldiers and officers.
  • Reduction of military service of male draftees from 36 to 32 months. (Reduction of military service of female soldiers from the draft is not considered so far).
  • Reduction of the age of commanders. If the average age of the regiment staff officers, including the commander of the regiment, was 35 to 37 years, now for these positions officers from the age of 32 will be appointed. The staff officers of the brigade, including the brigade commander, 40 to 42 years instead of 45 to 46 years respectively.
  • The reduction in the number of reservists to 100 thousand. The reservists who will remain in service will be trained and armed as support troops.
  • Reducing the number of artillery and light infantry brigades.
  • Structures such as the Education Corps, Military Rabbinate, Chief Reserve Officer, the Chief of Staff’s Advisor on Women’s Affairs, Army Radio and the Military Censor must undergo reduction and optimization. The command of the Northern District will be merged with the command of the land forces.
  • Creation of the cyber-troops. Jerusalem Post, citing a senior officer of the IDF, reported at the beginning of 2017 that it was decided to postpone establishing the cyber-troops center.
  • Bolstering of the Navy group through the procurement and construction of surface ships and a submarine.
  • Rearming the Air Force by purchasing the American F-35 and UAVs of American and local production.
  • Ending deferment to students in yeshivas (religious high schools) is not mentioned in this plan.

These provisions indicate IDF’s leaders had decided to focus on transforming it from conscript army to a professional one, staffed with a large number of trained soldiers as well as young and promising officers, capable to implement and employ in practice new ideas.  The fact that the command of the Northern District will be united with the command of the land forces indicates that this area (south of Lebanon and Hezbollah) is given special attention. The new army will be armed with more modern equipment and thus will be able to withstand modern threats.

The Israeli Missile Defence Systems vs. the Hezbollah Missile Arsenal

Knowing that Hezbollah will not invade Israel itself, its most capable units are involved in the fighting in Syria, and Hezbollah’s armored forces of the movement are in the development stages, for the Israeli military the biggest threat is Hezbollah’s missile arsenal.

Israel Defence Systems

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

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There are 17 batteries of MIM-23 I-HAWK available for air defence but presumably due to their obsolescence they are not in active service.

For comparison purposes, the cost of Qassam type rockets of Palestinian production according to Israeli experts is in the neighbourhood of a few hundred dollars. Rockets for the BM-21 Grad cost few thousand. The cost of production of ballistic, anti-ship and medium-range Iranian-made missiles is unknown, but may be assumed that they do not exceed several hundred thousand dollars.

Of course, human life is priceless and the potential loss in this case from Grad rockets, not to mention Scud and Iranian missiles, exceeds the cost of the interceptor missile. While the Iron Dome control system will only launch missiles if incoming missiles are calculated to fall in residential areas, the cost balance is still not in Israel’s favor.

Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Over time, IDF’s military effectiveness had declined. Israel has won the 1967 fully and unconditionally. The Egyptian and Syrian armies were dealt a powerful blow, and the Golan Heights, the Sinai Peninsula and the western shore of the river Jordan were occupied. The war of 1973 was won by Israel with heavy human and material losses; however, neither the Egyptian nor the Syrian army was completely defeated. In the 1982 war, where the IDF had numerical superiority, it had won a tactical victory but the task of reaching Beirut to link up with the right-wing Christian Phalangists was not completed. In the Second Lebanon War of 2006 due to the overwhelming numerical superiority in men and equipment the IDF managed to occupy key strong points but failed to inflict a decisive defeat on Hezbollah. The frequency of attacks in Israeli territory was not reduced; the units of the IDF became bogged down in the fighting in the settlements and suffered significant losses. There now exists considerable political pressure to reassert IDF’s lost military dominance and, despite the complexity and unpredictability of the situation we may assume the future conflict will feature only two sides, IDF and Hezbollah. Based on the bellicose statements of the leadership of the Jewish state, the fighting will be initiated by Israel.

The operation will begin with a massive evacuation of residents from the settlements in the north and centre of Israel. Since Hezbollah has agents within the IDF, it will not be possible to keep secret the concentration of troops on the border and a mass evacuation of civilians. Hezbollah units will will be ordered to occupy a prepared defensive position and simultaneously open fire on places were IDF units are concentrated. The civilian population of southern Lebanon will most likely be evacuated. IDF will launch massive bombing causing great damage to the social infrastructure and some damage to Hezbollah’s military infrastructure, but without destroying the carefully protected and camouflaged rocket launchers and launch sites.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Israeli soldiers walk together after cossing back into Israel from Lebanon Monday, July 31, 2006. Credit: David Guttenfelder, AP

Hezbollah control and communications systems have elements of redundancy. Consequently, regardless of the use of specialized precision-guided munitions, the command posts and electronic warfare systems will not paralysed, maintaining communications including through the use of fibre-optic communications means. IDF discovered that the movement has such equipment during the 2006 war. Smaller units will operate independently, working with open communication channels, using the pre-defined call signs and codes.

Israeli troops will then cross the border of Lebanon, despite the presence of the UN peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon, beginning a ground operation with the involvement of a greater number of units than in the 2006 war. The IDF troops will occupy commanding heights and begin to prepare for assaults on settlements and actions in the tunnels. The Israelis do not score a quick victory as they suffer heavy losses in built-up areas. The need to secure occupied territory with patrols and checkpoints will cause further losses.

The fact that Israel itself started the war and caused damage to the civilian infrastructure, allows the leadership of the movement to use its missile arsenal on Israeli cities. While Israel’s missile defence systems can successfully intercept the launched missiles, there are not enough of them to blunt the bombardment. The civilian evacuation paralyzes life in the country. As soon IDF’s Iron Dome and other medium-range systems are spent on short-range Hezbollah rockets, the bombardment of Israel with medium-range missiles may commence. Hezbollah’s Iranian solid-fuel rockets do not require much time to prepare for launch and may target the entire territory of Israel, causing further losses.

It is difficult to assess the duration of actions of this war. One thing that seems certain is that Israel shouldn’t count on its rapid conclusion, similar to last September’s exercises. Hezbollah units are stronger and more capable than during the 2006 war, despite the fact that they are fighting in Syria and suffered losses there.

Conclusions

The combination of large-scale exercises and bellicose rhetoric is intended to muster Israeli public support for the aggression against Hezbollah by convincing the public the victory would be swift and bloodless. Instead of restraint based on a sober assessment of relative capabilities, Israeli leaders appear to be in a state of blood lust. In contrast, the Hezbollah has thus far demonstrated restraint and diplomacy.

Israeli Defense Forces: Military Capabilities, Scenarios for the Third Lebanon War

Credit: Israeli Air Force

Underestimating the adversary is always the first step towards a defeat. Such mistakes are paid for with soldiers’ blood and commanders’ careers.  The latest IDF exercises suggest Israeli leaders underestimate the opponent and, more importantly, consider them to be quite dumb. In reality, Hezbollah units will not cross the border. There is no need to provoke the already too nervous neighbor and to suffer losses solely to plant a flag and photograph it for their leader. For Hezbollah, it is easier and safer when the Israeli soldiers come to them. According to the IDF soldiers who served in Gaza and southern Lebanon, it is easier to operate on the plains of Gaza than the mountainous terrain of southern Lebanon. This is a problem for armoured vehicles fighting for control of heights, tunnels, and settlements, where they are exposed to anti-armor weapons.

While the Israeli establishment is in a state of patriotic frenzy, it would be a good time for them to turn to the wisdom of their ancestors. After all, as the old Jewish proverb says: “War is a big swamp, easy to go into but hard to get out”.

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MD Ranix

cowards and losers = israhell, an illegitimate entity=root of all evil=oppressors which will perish by their own sins= supreme race in perm hell

Joe

Doubt Israel dare to take on Hez and Iran who are battle hardened vs office novice soldiers.

Neither Israelis are able to fight the type of war building for building.

Gaza wars we’re glaring examples

Expo Marker

They will only engage in war if there are enough NATO soldiers to overwhelm/distract the resistance movements.

Omega

True. Despite UN and NATO soldiers were an options in 2006, Olmert refused to the options and believed he could win the war he had planned as early as January 2006.

Olmert determined that Israel should not tip its hand–it would accept the deployment of a United Nations force, but only as a last resort.

First, he decided, Israel would say that it would accept a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) force. In keeping with this strategy, Israeli reserve forces were called to the front on July 21.

How Hezbollah defeated Israel
https://www.counterpunch.org/2006/10/13/how-hezbollah-defeated-israel-2/

Kell

They fear the UN setting up and taking jerusalem as some type of “World City”

dutchnational

Gaza was not a war. It was trying to flush out cowards hiding within civillian population, hence the (too) many civillian casualties.

Omega

True but it’s also not like the Israeli cowards made sure to spare civilian lives.

Kell

Gaza is an open air concentration camp for millions of refugees of jewish instigated genocide.

Don Machiavelli

As Ghandi has said, if there is huge disrepancy in power when weaker side attacks it’s not violence. When Poland fight vs Nazis the Poles did no violence but actually were saving little of human dignity and honor.

That is what Ghandi say and it is true as he is worlds authority in morale.

When Israel attacks and Hamas or Hezbollah retalliates, that is no violence from either Hamas or Hezbollah.

Not a fan of Israel

“…cowards hiding within civillian *sic) population…This is just an attempted Israeli justification for the mass slaughter of civilians.

FlorianGeyer

Is this Israeli posturing to draw Hezbollah units away from Syria at this crucial time ?

The Jews have always been an excitable race prone to histrionic behaviour :)

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/SGkedUm.png

“Jews” are a race?

Solomon Krupacek

moslems are race?
on the earth is ONLY ONE race: homo sapiens sapiens.
you are living in 19th century, baby!

Garga

Silly me, I thought Homo Sapiens Sapiens is our Species, according to classification and these kind of silly things. Today I learnt that it is a race!

I too probably lived in the 19th century, but thanks to you, I’m able to move slooooowly up to the 21st.

Thank you for the futuristic science! Thank you!

Solomon Krupacek

species = race in biology

race as athnic groups is no more in use.

Garga

I was clueless, I thought ethnicity is a sub-division of race.

But I was wrong! Thank you a hundred times for the modern science you teach.

Solomon Krupacek

buy one book about genetics.and read less nazi ideology. they mixed the basic terminology like you.

Wahid Algiers

We are all east africans and you are our chief. Please make the tribal dance for us.

Kell

LOL

Gerhard Pleyer

Ur spiritual Father Adolf-Hitler talked a lot about Genetics, U stupid cow.

Solomon Krupacek

You idiot, i am, who tell here, genetics is nothing! nman, how big cows visit this section!!!!

Solomon Krupacek

there are no human races. if you use word race, then is equivalent to entire humanity, the species.

Today, all humans are classified as belonging to the species Homo sapiens and sub-species Homo sapiens sapiens. However, this is not the first species of homininae: the first species of genus Homo, Homo habilis, evolved in East Africa at least 2 million years ago, and members of this species populated different parts of Africa in a relatively short time. Homo erectus evolved more than 1.8 million years ago, and by 1.5 million years ago had spread throughout Europe and Asia. Virtually all physical anthropologists agree that Archaic Homo sapiens (A group including the possible species H. heidelbergensis, H. rhodesiensis and H. neanderthalensis) evolved out of African Homo erectus (sensu lato) or Homo ergaster.[57][58] Anthropologists increasingly support the idea that anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) evolved in North or East Africa from H. heidelbergensis and then migrated out of Africa, mixing with and replacing H. heidelbergensis and H. neanderthalensis populations throughout Europe and Asia, and H. rhodesiensis populations in Sub-Saharan Africa (a combination of the Out of Africa and Multiregional models)

In the early 20th century, many anthropologists accepted and taught the belief that biologically distinct races were isomorphic with distinct linguistic, cultural, and social groups, while popularly applying that belief to the field of eugenics, in conjunction with a practice that is now called scientific racism.[60] After the Nazi eugenics program, along with the rise of anti-colonial movements, racial essentialism lost widespread popularity.[61] Race anthropologists were pressured to acknowledge findings coming from studies of culture and population genetics, and to revise their conclusions about the sources of phenotypic variation.[62][dubious – discuss] A significant number of modern anthropologists and biologists in the West came to view race as an invalid genetic or biological designation.[63]

The first to challenge the concept of race on empirical grounds were the anthropologists Franz Boas, who provided evidence of phenotypic plasticity due to environmental factors,[64] and Ashley Montagu, who relied on evidence from genetics.[65] E. O. Wilson then challenged the concept from the perspective of general animal systematics, and further rejected the claim that “races” were equivalent to “subspecies”.[66]

Human genetic variation is predominantly within races, continuous, and complex in structure, which is inconsistent with the concept of genetic human races.[67]

Garga

An Afro-centrist. It’s good science.

Just to learn something more, how do we classify, Canine for example? Are they all dogs, wolves, foxes and jackals one race too? Or all dogs are one race, wolves the other?
Their breeds probably does not exist, being your clever student I deduced that. Am I right or what?

One more thing, I’m confused. If there are no races, how in last lines of the text you copied, it says: “Human genetic variation is predominantly within races”. I thought human is just one race, why it says races?

dutchnational

Let it go Solomon, they try to confuse the issue by sidetracking you, a sign of trolling.

Stick to your message, do not let them use mistakes in your english against you. Do not let them sidetrack you and just give them a dose of your mind.

Gerhard Pleyer

U stupid cow, U are a zioNazi who must be fucked by Hezbollahs.

Wahid Algiers

Very hard to death. Solomon is a zio supporter and fan.

Jacek Wolski

Are you are saying that Hezbollah are homosexuals????????

Solomon Krupacek

yiu are nazi. worse, also stupid :DDDDDDDDDDDDD

Omega

Muslims don’t claim to be a race.

Freespirit

Many keep forgetting- “War by Deception” is the tactic of Zionists

Tudor Miron

Jews turning to wisdom of their ancestors? Did we forget the history of this tribe? How they killed everyone above 20yo during that famous “Sinai tour”? Jews, I beg you – look at your history. Your zio masters sucrifyed you en mass many many times already. This is about to happen again.

Solomon Krupacek

stalins grandson should not give advices

Garga

Are you really Stalin’s grand son? OH MY GOD! Why o, why didn’t you tell me before?! Can I have an autograph? A souvenir perhaps? No? At least can you tell me the time, so I don’t go empty-handed? ;)

O, thank you @Solomon Krupacek for pointing that out! I already know DeGaul’s great-grand daughter, Kohl’s nephew, Callahan’s son and Hindenburg’s great-great-great second cousin once removed (she’s very old). My collection is getting bigger! They give great advice!

Tudor Miron

Ouch! Solomosha uncovered my secret!

Kell

Yep the Elites are about to flush them, they are too much of a pain in the arse and are exposing the NWO inadvertantly due to their hubaris and greed.

Tudor Miron

They seem to forget how it went in 2006. They try to portray it as a victory but it wasn’t.

kurdi aram

They were victory in their pants.

Solomon Krupacek

it was victory, boy.

Tudor Miron

It was a humiliation of zio forces, girl.

Solomon Krupacek

nyetnyet

Wahid Algiers

Disco girls.

Jacek Wolski
Wahid Algiers

You can read it above: an ass full of death soldiers plus the failure of this jewish-zio gang:

– rescue kidnapped soldiers – FAILED
– stop missile bombardment – FAILED
– push hezbollah north – FAILED
– intimidate Lebanese govt to condemn Hezbollah – FAILED
– jam/cut hezbollah communications – FAILED
and much more failed objective from the overrated IDF.

Solomon Krupacek

BS

Wahid Algiers

You can read it above: an ass full of death soldiers plus the failure of this jewish-zio gang:

– rescue kidnapped soldiers – FAILED
– stop missile bombardment – FAILED
– push hezbollah north – FAILED
– intimidate Lebanese govt to condemn Hezbollah – FAILED
– jam/cut hezbollah communications – FAILED
and much more failed objective from the overrated IDF.

John Veitch

Yes, but credit where it’s due. They are the best child burners since the Yanks in Nam. Cheers

Omega

Is that so? Can you explain the following:

On July 12 and after Hezbollah captured IDF soldiers at a border post, the IAF launched its bombing campaign. The IAF believed the destruction of Hezbollah would take couple days. Some Israeli ministers believed it could be done in a day.

On July 18 and after the IAF could not destroy Hezbollah, Ehud Olmert deployed the “full might of the IDF”. This came to be despite Olmert’s advisors signaled Israel’s willingness to cease-fire.

On July 21 and after the IDF could not achieve the objective of destroying Hezbollah, Olmert called in the reserve army. The Pentagon knew then that the war was not going well for Israel.

On July 22, Olmert called the US for help. Israel needed munition – large amounts of precision-guided missiles. The Pentagon realized Israel had used most of its munitions and still could not destroy Hezbollah after ten consecutive days of intensive bombing.

On July 22, the IDF entered the town of Maroun al-Ras but they were unable to capture it. The Nasr Brigade pushed them out.

On July 24, realizing they could not defeat Hezbollah, Israel did what it does best: crimes. It cluster bombed the south of Lebanon and went after destroying civilian infrastructures unrelated to the war. Many of the infrastructures were in Christian towns. Needless to say, those Christians no longer support Israel.

On July 25, destroying Hezbollah was no longer the objective. It was replaced with creating a “security zone”.

On July 26, the IDF admitted that their battle in Bint Jbail was the hardest. After they failed to capture the town with the IDF, they sent their elite troops, the Golani Brigade. Nine of them died, twenty two others were wounded. The town was not captured.

On July 26, Israel retried capturing the town of Maroun al-Ras with paratroopers but after three days, failed again.

On July 27, Israel called up three more reserve divisions (15,000 troops) after they failed to capture any cities.

By July 28, the IAF realized it was unable to stop Hezbollah’s rockets – 4000+ of them were fired. Some even reached Afula.

On July 28, the Mossad leaked information to the Israeli Publix stating that Hezbollah had not suffered significant degradation of its military and that they could go on fighting for months.

In August and before the implementation of the cease-fire, Israel tried to secure a “security zone” south of the Litani but the paratroopers were surrounded by Hezbollah.

You can read about all this here, if you wish:

How Hezbollah defeated Israel

https://www.counterpunch.org/2006/10/13/how-hezbollah-defeated-israel-2/

Bottom line, the full force of the Israeli IAF (with its precision missiles and advanced weaponry), its IDF and several divisions of its reserve army (15K+ of them) could not destroy Hezbollah (who didn’t even call up its reserve).

John Veitch

Hullo Omega. Thank you for your fantastic post. I imagine that you will receive countless, contrary opinions but we all know what happened and for people to talk of an IDF victory, well it’s just the bluster of the terminally, unnerved bully. regards to you and yours.

Omega

Hi John. Most welcome.

The IDF is an army of cowards who always attacked unarmed civilians (the Palestinians) and surprise-attacked the armies of surrounding countries (1967). When faced against an organized and disciplined militia/army (Hezbollah), they have always faced the faith of humiliation and defeat.

Solomon Krupacek

they lost 20 from 400. haha, this was big defat for hezbollah. they lost most of the core terrorista, destroyed infrastructure. they were so much defeated, that over one decade are little mouse in hole.

Omega

The IDF claimed 400-500 Hezbollah deaths.

There were 184 Hezbollah funerals in the 2006 war.

Solomon Krupacek

then read again. 500 of core. + others

Omega

What part of 184 Hezbollah funerals were held didn’t you understand?

The IDF’s claim (400-500 Hezbollah deaths) was a lie.

IsraHell could not destroy, yet alone defeat Hezbollah with its IDF, IAF and 15,000+ troops army reserve and then went on making up lies: that they captured Lebanese cities when they only entered them, that 400-500 Hezbollah fighters died when 184 did.

Solomon Krupacek

Hezbollah Fighters:

Killed: 250 (Hezbollah claim)[31]

≤500 (Lebanese officials’ est.)[32]

500 (UN officials’ est.)[33]

600–800 (IDF claim)[34][35]

Omega

The IDF lie was bigger than I thought.

John Veitch

Well here they go again, it’s all about numbers as usual.

Overwatch D.VA

Yes , the classic disinfo spread by the media and internet trolls who kept claiming 2006 war is israeli victory. In fact it is easy to discern Hasbara Troll by their insistence that 2006 is won by israel.

fact , they failed all their objectives :
– Rescue kidnapped soldiers – FAILED
– Stop missile bombardment – FAILED
– Push hezbollah north – FAILED
– Intimidate Lebanese govt to condemn Hezbollah – FAILED
– Jam/Cut hezbollah communications – FAILED

and many more failed objective from the overrated IDF..

John Veitch

Don’t forget their world’s best tanks. Failed. regards

kurdi aram

Israelis are able distribute. Pornos. In the social media.
They are not able. To fight. They like to be fucked

55lanfag

They don’t have the guts to start anything on their own. The more they try to subvert their neighbors, the more their forces are novice and unexperienced in combat. While the wars that they themselves bring upon their neighbours only strengthen said neighbours.

Jesus

Israel is blowing smoke, their past victories in wars was due to surprise attacks neutralizing Arab air forces, followed by land attacks. Hezbollah is more battle experienced and has a more versatile arsenal than it did in 2006, they have been gaining battle experience using combined arms while IDF ground forces have not done much. There is no element of surprise for IDF, Russia will not allow Israel to have a free hand against one of the allies fighting with them in Syria.
Russia can employ asymmetric moves against Israel without being drawn in a war.

Solomon Krupacek

hahaha, the briliant tactics of idf the stupid drunken russian jesus described si primitively :DDDD

how can you described the red army in first 6 month of german attack?

Helen4Yemen
Solomon Krupacek

look, israel delenda est. but arabs should learn from them, beacause israelis fight 2 class better.

Wahid Algiers

Ha, ha. The were fucked in 2006 by Hezbollah and some years ago by Hamas.

Solomon Krupacek

until you and arabs will believe in this bullshit, israel will be undefectable for them

Garga

That’s one good advice.
Learning from the enemy, finding what they’re good at as well as their weakness.

Wahid Algiers

These guys are no ME men. They are no classic europeans. They are jewish linked tribals.

Solomon Krupacek

one more thing, you stupid moron: at arab armies were soviet-russian advisors. so, the moscowian war strategy was kicked in ass by little country. again. and again. and again … and also today, when russians has fear to stop israeli planes. THAT IS THE TRUTH? YOU UGLY LIAR!!!!!!

Jesus

I see, mental limitations are compensated by profanities; you live in the past, Russia of the 60-70’s does not exist anymore. Today, Russia is a smaller country, with smart leadership and self sustainable economy, and with the intent of making this world multipolar. US/Israel axis will be broken, it is going to happen in a way you do not even expect.

Solomon Krupacek

i as former officer in warsaw pact, see the same mistakes in actual russian army. you can make propaganda what you want, you can believe in non-existing thngs, but i objectively know, what i know. you are repeateing the saome bulshit propagadnda which axisted also in the soviet era like papagay.

Helen4Yemen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FMBtZiYysI

Please tell me why are the EUROPEANS occupying the little country not back home in Poland, Lithuania, Hungary? What do the Arab people owe these EUROPEANS?

Solomon Krupacek

plays no role. also arabs are mixture as result of sacred wars. btw., genetics never defined nations.

Helen4Yemen
Overwatch D.VA

Israel are deathly afraid of Hezbollah Ground force and their missile force. Anyone who said otherwise are Hasbara Troll or an idiot.

Solomon Krupacek

sure not. simply focus on all enemies. if IL was abele to destroy 1 million army of enemies within several days, several thousand fighters do not mean lot.

Overwatch D.VA

hello hasbara troll , hows the weather in tel aviv today ? busy spreading lies and propaganda all over the internet ?

Solomon Krupacek

ask the google, cunt.

Garga

So now Israeli officials freak out on the thought of their neighnours securing their territory. As I said before, it must be an awful existence if you seek your interests in other’s suffering.

Israel would attack Lebanon only if it has (at least) US fully on it’s back, and is sure that EU is not against it, otherwise it’s not going to happen. Israel cannot maintain a war (even in that small scale) economically and logistically on it’s own.
In such war the damage (material and life-loss) on Lebanon will be far greater than the damage on Israel, but it doesn’t mean Israel doesn’t receive it’s fair share of destruction and death.

Regarding incidents in IDF, such accidents are not unique to them and more or less are countries have them. It happens and there’s no army in the world that’s accident-free.

The only reason Hezbollah is considered a terror group by the US is Israel’s pressure, otherwise who can a party who doesn’t commit terror acts be counted as one? Is Hezbollah’s actions really equal to the ISIS’s, AQ’s and MEK’s? (they cleared MEK of this designation despite numerous documented acts and more that 12,000 registered victims of the group)
http://www.habilian.ir/en/a-list-of-17000-terror-victims-in-iran.html

Wahid Algiers

Hezbollah is a regular social party in Lebanon which is forced, due to the shameless and dangerous politics of the invading zionists, to have a military arm. But the worlds zionist protector Nr. 1 and self-called sheriff, the US, declares a terrorist as they want without visualizing that they are the greatest terrorist of all.

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/EB6fM2B.png

Are these Middle Eastern or totally foreign to the Middle East region?

Garga

According to my dear friend here which I won’t name, they are absolutely ME Jews who migrated to Scythia, waited a few centuries and then returned.
You know migration has a sever impact on human beings, it changes your hair and eye colour and skin tone, changes your bone structure and even changes your DNA!

We can see the same effects in the Africans who migrated to Scandinavia. True story!

Overwatch D.VA

migration dont change your genetics unless you mingle with other people not from your race. a chinese migration to america wont change their physical make up unless they marry american non chinese people

Garga

I must work harder on my sarcasm. Damn!

Overwatch D.VA

you should do that , because you kept missing the sacrasm in other people’s posts

Garga

My bad.
And all this time I thought: “man, I’m goooood at jocking”. Turned out I know jack about it. Your reply was a wake up call. It’s going to change my whole life.

But, but they say Ashkenazi Jews (granted, Orthodox Jews don’t mingle with other people) are exactly ME Jews, the change in appearance, bone structure, DNA and everything is because of migration alone. Therefore they have absolute and divine right to Palestinians’ lands. MSM backs this claim so we have to accept it fully. If you don’t accept it you will be a tinfoil-hat conspiracy nut.

I’d say it has to be a miracle in Biblical scale, and therefore proves their claim is a righteous one! Their god performed a miracle and it’s on us all to accept it blindly and without question whatsoever!
You would be a racist and anti-Semite if you don’t agree.

All true story!

The ball is in your court. :)

Overwatch D.VA

most of the jews in israel today dont have any belief into anything .. only some hardcore orthodox jewish sect still have the belief..

there’s no call for jewish people return to judea after the diaspora of jewish people in the aftermath of Rome-Jewish war.

the Holy Spirit left the temple of Jerusalem when they reject Christ.. the current ‘israeli’s are those who believed in Jesus Christ as saviour.. the Christian is the new ‘Israeli’ ..

Garga

You ant-Semite you!

They worked tirelessly for about a century to brainwash everybody, and that’s how repay them?

How dare you!

Overwatch D.VA

i cannot refute that , anyone who against shemitic race are anti semite..

wait , that means the white european ‘jews’ who steal the judea land from the palestinian shemitic people , are the true antisemite ?

Garga

You are getting there, a few more moment of thinking, and there will be a “click” and all gets clear.
Yes, that’s what I’m saying.

Mortal

That’s some nice illumination for you!

Wahid Algiers

You got it.

Helen4Yemen

And you don’t! I got your sarcasm right away!

Solomon Krupacek

you arre joking, but in the ME yes, were such nations. the barbarian hordes of assyrians, arabs killed them. therefor have lot of people bklue eyes. the color of skin means nothing. this is adaptation. but eye color will not adapted.

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/6q4UVjU.png
Here is what a typical Ashkenazi DNA looks like.

Show me a DNA result for any Ashkenazi with even 1% Middle DNA. There are none. The Middle East DNA is totally lacking in the Ashkenazi. The Ashkenazi in fact is one of the purest of any Europoean groups at 99% European ancestry.

Solomon Krupacek

again! nobody educated interest your bullshit with fascist genetic theories. what you are spreading is totally unscientifical. so, i would take beck from you all papers fromm school and lifelong employ you as pig-feeder. zhis is your niveau.

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/tw6DfWk.png

a) Do you see, Europe higlighted to reflect the Ashkenazi’s European DNA of 99.6%?

b) Do you see US and South America highlighted because he has a tiny 0.1% Native American DNA?

c) Do you see East Asia highlighted because he has 0.1% Japanese DNA?

d) But the Middle East is left totally blank, because they found nothing – not even 0.1%!

e) Why don’t you present DNA evidence like I am showing to prove me wrong?

Garga

He clearly says he is not interested in scientific evidence. Don’t tire yourself, talk to him in the same language he speaks.

Helen4Yemen

It is simply funny that white Europeans arrived in Palestine claiming to be non-whites but Middle Eastern. I am Middle Eastern and what I am looking at are totally an alien peole to the region. They used to say (like he is attempting now) that there are a few “white-looking Arabs” and therefore, the Ashkenazi was simply coming home. But DNA is here and what is fascinating is that the entire world seems to have some level of Middle East DNA but one group of people who have NONE are the Ashkenazi. It think that is very funny!

Garga

Zionists use the science to back their claims, but only the parts that help them (tiny part) and reject or forget the overwhelming parts that is against their claims.
They “forget” to tell us the genetics studies they perform on Ashkenazi Jews which results in finding ME roots, are done using the last 3 generations of migrant “samples”, not the ones currently live in for example Belgium.
There are a few light-hair and blue(ish)-eye groups in ME, but their bone structure and features are different and their lineage is different.
The ones looking like Europeans are found in western parts of Syria and Lebanon and their lineage goes back to the Crusades, not further. The ones in Turkey have usually Eastern European ancestry, going back to almost 500 years ago. They too have different features.

They use anything to “prove” European Jews have ME roots and therefore have a claim on other people’s lands. Using half-truths and media hype. At the same time, they do their best to suffocate genuine scientific findings and destroy/twist historical evidence. Their science too is driven by ideology.
Ever heard of the “story” of Masada? It’s all a big bubble of bullshit, without a shred of evidence, but using media hype they turned this story into one important part of their claim, complete with tours and everything.

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/5XmUvII.png

There is a Middle Eastern genetic group and also a North Africa genetic group. The people of Palestine, Yemen, Oman, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait,Bahrain have the same DNA type which is called Middle Eastern. Had they found that the Syrians had a different type of DNA type, they would have assigned a separate DNA group

What they call “Ashkenazi” or “European Jewish” is in fact Khazar DNA. 23andme which owned by recently sent notices to their clients that they believed the Ashkenazi DNA was Khazar DNA. As you might guess, they force to withdraw that statement and even aplogize. Google:
23andme confirmed Ashkenazi DNA is Khazar DNA.

Garga

Thank you for suggestion. I did.

I advise any reader here to do the same, it takes about 30 minutes, do it whenever possible, but do it nevertheless. As Helen4Yemen told, search for:
23andme confirmed Ashkenazi DNA is Khazar DNA

Solomon Krupacek

there is no khazar dna, sperm!

Garga

Good. Resorting to name calling is a good sign in a debate.

Solomon Krupacek

i can call you and cunt helen as nazi eugenist- this is your exact taxonomy

Garga

You can call me whatever you want, as I said, it’s a good sign.
So go ahead, let me see what you are made of.

dutchnational

Solomon, let it go.

Kell

Be careful, 23andme has an admitted 50% accuracy at best.

Kell

Iran means Aryan and prior to the Arab invasions was actually Aryan – a girl from Rasht of Alan decent – https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d2b49e72e0e5a25b38d2a27d1b36c545fc398f4c69e50befd9e96649c16f17d5.jpg

A Yezidi girl – https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/481e0d9a8a2dcb10bb79131020410d4e98eb99666cf978e5f96cba0c203b36db.jpg

The jews are not white and are in fact the greatest enemies of whites the world has seen, once most of Central Asia was White before the Mongol Invasions.

https://youtu.be/YN3YwyTLz-8

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/QzmOpOv.jpg

Do you the Ashkeneazi DNA? It is always grouped with and added to the total of European DNA.

Helen4Yemen

How many of these European looking people are in the Middle East? 5? 10?20? 100?

Here is a link of what the Ashkenazi look like.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/what_do_jews_look_like/

Kell

After Arabs and Mongols killed them all not many, but what about if we did what you and the jews did and just went in and genocided you all and moved in, then the 23andme test would say my DNA was middle eastern wow –

Kell

23andme is not accurate – it is a jewish for profit company and it does not matter if they say the Khazars are from Germany because they moved there from Khazeria or that the moon is made out of cheese it is not true because they say it is, we know it for a fact, just because some jew puts a color on a screen does not mean its true that is what we are trying to get through to you!

Real Anti-Racist Action

Ashkenaiz is just a term for Khazars. The Khazars Empire was Modern day Turkey.
Turkey is in Asia-minor also known as the ME.
Khazars of Turkey have nothing to do with indigenous Japetic tribal peoples of Europe. They only invaded European lands recently as in 500 AD which was not very long ago.
The Indigenous tribes of Europe were there over 15,000 years ago free of any Khazars or Ashkenazi’s or Hebrews or Shemitics whatsoever.

Garga

Not exactly modern day Turkey, more to the north-east, but I get it. Good old days…

(You mistakenly liked your own comment, fix it before somebody accuses you of doing so on purpose, then give me holler to remove this line)

Kell

Black Sea region actually and they converted to judaism in 749AD, the Vikings got sick of them raiding their villages and slave trading their little blond girls to Arabs as sex slave so invaded south destroying Khazeria, they fled West to the Poland/German region

Kell

You are actually playing into some zionist propaganda actually, the jews are not European but also not from the Mid East, actually Whites used to populate much of North Africa and Central Asia until genocided but jews were not part of them, they are of Tucic/Mongol decent.
Rameses III Egypt – https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bd22d170782a833cde960c179962d823f7abbf34c3ead6726486b2315847dbd2.jpg

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0662105f621c957dd08c3fe43e508f159422e298184fa7b7b85f62afd0142599.jpg

A Berber girl North Africa – https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e84114a72bc4c833d88afc1218b9494a0e35e7c86fe048254cc73ce4b3efb486.jpg

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09c273f50424878dd39bd8e0db7cf116968f89ca3f28f33fa8c60a2ed30f839c.jpg

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/244f603c6dd19ecbe9f1b96f3ef64358a7832d72c4fe9ef00013ab9f7baa5376.jpg

A girl from the remote Chitral region of North West Pakistan (Still Pagans) nearly extinct 1500 remaining.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7207e59b7852011fa18dcad5cd2c9de4fb844fe123c157e608b9c2e096b8b6c5.jpg

Solomon Krupacek

this is not evvidence. this is bullshit. buy one book about genetics, and yaou will understand.

Garga

Yes, o master!

What books do you suggest?

Solomon Krupacek

any of them what you fing on amazon, pupil.

Garga

There are so many, and being in Iran and all, I can’t buy from Amazon, then I need names to buy them from somewhere else.

Wahid Algiers

“The truth” by Schlomo Weinstein.

Kell

Khazars ie Ashkenazi are not Europeans but also not of the Middle East, they are Turkic Mongol Hybrids, the highly European individuals are rape spawn.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0411c21ccc54e50d6ee9df6ee60535a4dc8c5a6f94924c15318fa12d1131dc3a.jpg

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/VL1lk6p.png

Look at Alan Dershowitz’s DNA results.
1) Europe is highlighted to trace his 99.9% European ancestry.
2) Africa is highlighted because he has 0.1% African ancestry.
3) Asia is highlighted because he has 0.1% Asian ancestry.
4) The Middle East is totally left blank because they found
no trace of Middle East ancestry – not even 0.1% – nothing – zilch!

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/7EFzMDf.png
Look at Tony Kushner’s DNA results.
1) Europe is highlighted to trace his 99.9% European ancestry.
2) Africa is highlighted because he has 0.1% African ancestry.
3) Asia is highlighted because he has 0.1% Asian ancestry.
4) The Middle East is totally left blank because they found
no trace of Middle East ancestry – not even 0.1% – nothing – zilch!

Kell

FMore crap fom 23andme – their sliding confidence scale is at very very best 50% accurate.
https://dna-explained.com/2017/01/17/calling-hogwash-on-23andmes-ancestry-timeline/
Ashkenazi isnt European even if the jews wish it was which they dont because they are constantly calling for White Genocide, if they were white they wouldnt be doing this!
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21adff9c97c748308ce8bf61d6478c5f656053ef6cda7e75362edf629ee4cecb.jpg

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0bd4904c795db39514af19503cb7ed6e6d506eece0c1ff646dc4acd3eeb8c7d7.jpg

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6798b08e8f71610c48dacc6f3b38047fe636787a6fbd7e65c10315b71b642f8b.jpg

Helen4Yemen

Do you have any DNA results for any Ashkenazi to show me whose DNA is below 99% European?

Kell

Ashkenazi isnt European – heres a REAL DNA plot not from an inaccurate jew run company –

If you cant deal with REAL SCIENCE then fuck off and die
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0411c21ccc54e50d6ee9df6ee60535a4dc8c5a6f94924c15318fa12d1131dc3a.jpg

Wahid Algiers

Heil Adolf Schlomo Solomon.

Solomon Krupacek

this heil save for your family, nazi gay

Wahid Algiers

I am no gay but I am a Nazi here in Europe not far away from you.

Solomon Krupacek

your real father?

Real Anti-Racist Action

Ashkenazi’s are from Northern Turkey of Shemitic decent.
That is why they have always looked different then the indigenous Japetic tribes of Europe.
Shemites range from China and Pakistan to Iraq and Egypt and Turkey and Syria.
Ashkenazi’s come from Asia-Major.
They invaded indigenous European lands, they should all go back to Turkey from where the Khazar people come from and leave Europe and Palestine at once.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
John Veitch

What the hell is that?

Kell

The Khazars are actually of Turkic/Mongol decent, the European aspect coming from European girls they raped or lured during their European stay

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/QOmZYGr.png

Tell me what you consider the Ashenazi genetic make up to be since he does say he is a product of European women and Israelite men.

Press on the image to see a larger one

Solomon Krupacek

i dont know what want you show with these circles, but with genetics has so much common like crocodile with jupiter.

Helen4Yemen

https://i.imgur.com/LwirmPe.png

Are they not both equally European and genetic cousins of one another?

Helen4Yemen
Kell

What is Middle Eastern DNA?
Arab?
You must be really stupid if you think the Middle east is made up of one race?
What about the Iranians ie Aryans before the Arab invasion?
Heres a girl from Rasht one of the few survivors –
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d2b49e72e0e5a25b38d2a27d1b36c545fc398f4c69e50befd9e96649c16f17d5.jpg

Here is a Yezidi Pagan girl one of the few survivors of the Arab/Mongol Anti-White mass genocide –

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/481e0d9a8a2dcb10bb79131020410d4e98eb99666cf978e5f96cba0c203b36db.jpg

Helen4Yemen
Kell

23andme is not accurate 50% at best – its a jewish run company for profit not accuracy this is where Khazeria is not where some fucking jew says it is to make them feel better about themselves, just because an African moves to Sweden doesnt make them genetically Swedish!
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b66c21fb542bfc07e8900052765751b1ccd3dfd6f035e9581b0190c3f994f404.gif

Solomon Krupacek

typical me faces

Helen4Yemen
Solomon Krupacek

i can put white faces from syriam tukey, irak. this s ONLY ONE LINE, what youput here. the ugliest :)

Helen4Yemen

Here is a link that has hundreds of pictures of the Ashkenazi. Do they look “swarthy”, Middle Eastern, olive, Italian, Mediterranean? NAH!

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-semite/what_do_jews_look_like/

Kell

Before plastic surgery and hair dye, blue contact lenses et al the Nosebergs looked a lot more like this –
The Bar Rafieli type is very rare other than Russian/Ukrainian women sex slaves you will see very few in Israel.

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Helen4Yemen
Kell

They are not European although claim to be when it suits them, they are extremely Anti-White and seek to destroy White Europeans.
They actually have a very high neanderthal admixture.
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Helen4Yemen
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Helen4Yemen

Therefore, I take it that you have no DNA samples to show me that the Ashkenazi is not European, right – like this?

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Kell

23andme is at best 50% accurate – they even admit this look at a science plot not some jewish run company that only wants to make sales!
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John Veitch

Now he would strike terror into the hearts of the most battle-hardened Hezbollah fighter.

John Veitch

Woah! I mean to say ughh! Regards

Helen4Yemen
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Lone Wolf

Most of them are from Europe and US … some of them has got a distinct British or American accents

Helen4Yemen

You are simply of waste of time – just an ugly white supremacist.

BLOCKED!

Kell
Overwatch D.VA

Simple fact is this , Hezbollah troops are now highly combat experienced due to syria , they are led by combat experienced NCOs and they been exposed to Russian training and now have special ops capabilities including sniper teams with anti personel and anti materiel high calibre rifles supplementing theri ATGM and MANPADs teams.

IDF troops only ‘experience’ is against unarmed civilians in occupied territories.. they have no motivation to die for senseless and pointless war in lebanon..

Wahid Algiers

Easy answer, for sure. Hezb knows what to die for. An IDF soldier want to enjoy his life, has nothing in common with the land grabbers in the sixties or seventies of the last century.

dutchnational

Very easy, indeed. Israel knows a real defeat means another genocide.

Having “enjoyed” the first one, they will make sure that in case of a real defeat, Israel will not be the only country to be wiped off the map. Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and as much as they can get of Iran and likely KSA and Turkey will join them in the nuclair abyss.

Wahid Algiers

I am talking about conventional means. Of a war nukes are not used by Israel. That means that an israeli defeat must end at a round table.

Lone Wolf

Yes … another genocide of Paletinians … geez … why is it that when an Israeli Rabbi talks about wiping off the Palestinians and driving them to the sea etc … no body says anything but when Iran President Ahmadinejad talks about wiping off Zionism(and not Jews) … he gets attacked … !!!
Just to let you all know Iran has got the largest Jewish population in middle East apart from Israel !!! ….You think Saudis, Qatar, UAE will allow Israelis to come even as a tourist let alone buy property or live there … ? How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia … ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

Kell

LOL bullshit, defeat means a (most likely free) flight to New York, Hollywood, Miami or London where they will continue to infest the rest of us.

Overwatch D.VA

the irony is this , the current hezbollah commandos are very similar to the early IDF , very motivated. ,highly trained and disciplined , everyone brave and ready for sacrifice , fiercly loyal to their fellow soldiers ..

IDF today are filling with well to do kids who dont want to die in pointless wars , that explains why there so many discipline problems in regular units..

how many people here knew during 2006 war plenty of soldiers disobey direct order to charge the enemy due to basic reason : they dont want to die.. and this is from elite regular unit , the reserve unit were far worse

Wahid Algiers

Absolutely right. In my opinion the beach at Tel Aviv (I never will go there) is a much better place than crossing the Litani with the death on your neck.

Kell

Yep – its not the size of the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog that will determine victory.

Douglas Houck

The US is leaving the Middle East as its too costly., Israel is being left to learn how to deal with it’s neighbors. As such, Israel needs to actually address the Palestinian issue. It will require sacrifices. Time will tell.

Gerry Hiles

No wonder that the tenuous, borderless state of Israel is in a panic. The Zionist invaders left declared borders in abeyance pending expansion as Greater Israel, from the Nile to the Euphrates, so now that their mercenary army, ISIS, is being soundly defeated in Syria, they can have no complaint (in international law) if Hezbollah crosses over non-existent borders to defend Lebanon and Palestinians, should the need arise. And Syria can reclaim the Golan Heights. What’s the problem Zionists? You mob should have never invaded the ME in the first place, via Rothschild finance and the British Balfour Declaration. Blow back is a bitch when it comes.

dutchnational

Interesting report.

A few small additions : Israel still has some 200 kfir C7 fighters in store.

The reserves you mention are the recently active conscripts and officers.

Beyond that, over a million are mobilisable. Trained in use of armes but out of training. If a war is expected to come, many of those will be recalled into duty and deployable in a very short time

Gerry Hiles

These ffing Zionists stick in my craw, such as Golda Meir and Nutty Yahoo, both from California and with zero connection with the Middle East. Most Zionists do not practice the Judaic religion, therefore are not Jews. Nearly all originate as Ashkenazi converts c. 800 where the Ukraine is now. With the entirely
fake “history” of being descended from the fictional Abraham. No wonder that so many Zionists are at least dissociated, if not psychopaths. Insanity is, by definition, being detached from reality … which includes the fact that no one of European origin belongs in the ME.
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IF passing centuries enable the gradual migration of people to regard a country as home, then OK; but the apartheid state of Israhell has only existed since 1948 in small form and only in present large form since the 1970s … and the greed for more territory knows no bounds, exactly like Nazi Germany … a chosen people entitled to lebensraum. Similar to US “exceptionalism”.

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nwoecb

In all seriousness and beyond all the Israeli rhetoric: if they were certain of victory, they wouldn’t hesitate a second to attack Hezbollah and the SAA frontally. The political climate for Israeli aggression is always present as all Arab and Western governments are at their feet (and Russian for that matter).

If you can pull of 9/11 and get away with it, the sky is the limit.

Omega

Let’s recall the war of 2006. Planned by IsraHell as early as January 2006 and assisted by the US from Cyprus and treacherous elements within the Lebanese government.

According to the leaks, Olmert first discussed the preparations for a war against Lebanon in January and then asked for detailed plans in March.

Olmert told Winograd that, far from making war on the hoof in response to the capture of the two soldiers (the main mitigating factor for Israel’s show of aggression), he had been planning the attack on Lebanon since at least March 2006.

Olmert’s leaked testimony reveals real goal of summer war
https://electronicintifada.net/content/olmerts-leaked-testimony-reveals-real-goal-summer-war/6803

Two years after the war’s end we now learn, thanks to WikiLeaks, that Lebanese Defense Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Elias Murr gave Israel strategic military advice on how to finish the job.

WikiLeaks also exposed that the U.S. flew U-2 reconnaissance missions over Hezbollah positions in Lebanon, known as “Operation Cedar Sweep,” and used a British airbase in Cyprus to do so.

The Story of Elias Murr, Saboteur
https://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/the-story-of-elias-murr-saboteur/

The chronology of the war …

Is that so? Can you explain the following:

On July 12 and after Hezbollah captured IDF soldiers at a border post, the IAF launched its bombing campaign. The IAF believed the destruction of Hezbollah would take couple days. Some Israeli ministers believed it could be done in a day.

On July 18 and after the IAF could not destroy Hezbollah, Ehud Olmert deployed the “full might of the IDF”. This came to be despite Olmert’s advisors signaled Israel’s willingness to cease-fire.

On July 21 and after the IDF could not achieve the objective of destroying Hezbollah, Olmert called in the reserve army. The Pentagon knew then that the war was not going well for Israel.

On July 22, Olmert called the US for help. Israel needed munition – large amounts of precision-guided missiles. The Pentagon realized Israel had used most of its munitions and still could not destroy Hezbollah after ten consecutive days of intensive bombing.

On July 22, the IDF entered the town of Maroun al-Ras but they were unable to capture it. The Nasr Brigade pushed them out.

On July 24, realizing they could not defeat Hezbollah, Israel did what it does best: crimes. It cluster bombed the south of Lebanon and went after destroying civilian infrastructures unrelated to the war. Many of the infrastructures were in Christian towns. Needless to say, those Christians no longer support Israel.

On July 25, destroying Hezbollah was no longer the objective. It was replaced with creating a “security zone”.

On July 26, the IDF admitted that their battle in Bint Jbail was the hardest. After they failed to capture the town with the IDF, they sent their elite troops, the Golani Brigade. Nine of them died, twenty two others were wounded. The town was not captured.

On July 26, Israel retried capturing the town of Maroun al-Ras with paratroopers but after three days, failed again.

On July 27, Israel called up three more reserve divisions (15,000 troops) after they failed to capture any cities.

By July 28, the IAF realized it was unable to stop Hezbollah’s rockets – 4000+ of them were fired. Some even reached Afula.

On July 28, the Mossad leaked information to the Israeli Publix stating that Hezbollah had not suffered significant degradation of its military and that they could go on fighting for months.

In August and before the implementation of the cease-fire, Israel tried to secure a “security zone” south of the Litani but the paratroopers were surrounded by Hezbollah.

How Hezbollah defeated Israel
https://www.counterpunch.org/2006/10/13/how-hezbollah-defeated-israel-2/

All in all, full force of the Israeli IAF (with its precision missiles and advanced weaponry), its IDF and several divisions of its reserve army (15K+ of them) could not destroy Hezbollah (who didn’t even call up its reserve).

Sadde

The statement at 19:15 that “Israel should KEEP its INTELLECTUAL and MORAL SUPERIORITY” is wrong in many different ways. Coupled with the two leading “imperatives” in the Israeli Declaration of Independence (“I. Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people and II. Israel is Jewish”) sounds alarmingly similar to the height of Nazi Germany. It seems that he truly believes in what he says. To assign the writing of defence strategies to a megalomaniac does not bode well.

Kell

The Elites have had it with the jews and are pressing the flush button on the toilet as we speak, watch the interesting moves out of the City of London very recently and the comments from another faction represented by Kissenger.
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Nigel Maund

Once again matters are coming to a head which is apparent in the rhetoric from key Israeli political figures. Israel posssess massive material and human resource advantages and theoretically should win hands down over Hezbollah. However, with Hezbollah now comprising a battle hardened corps and well attunied to Israeli advantages and tactics one can sense this will not prove a “walk in the park” for their forces. One day Israel will suffer a major defeat at the hands of the Arab forces as no one wins forever and Israeli forces do not perform well when demoralised by defeat due to the shock to their titanic self perception and ego’s. Russia, Syria and Iran have no wish to see Israel prevail on anything other than extremely expensive human and material costs that will crack their moral and leave them substantially weakened and unable to establish their hegemony in the ME. US support will dwindle once the imminent financial debt behemoth implodes taking down the US economy and giving rise to major internal mayhem in the US and possiby a civil war. Without US money, equipment and moral support Israel may become very desperate and resort to using battle field nukes and other game changing super weapons even biochemical / biological warfare.

First Lastname

It seems like Israel is gearing for a war against the Shiites. It looks like they will use KSA as their army against Iran. But just like the war in Yemen, it won’t go well for the Saudis.

Maybe Israel should stop meddling in political matters of other countries.

John Brown

Hezbollah is very smart. They will concentrate their rocket barrage on Israeli military air strips, military bases and critical civilian infrastructure it like oil refineries, water treatment plants, electricity generation, air ports and Israel’s Dimona nuclear reactor. If Hezbollah succeeds in this it will be a major defeat for Israel as they will be in similar economic shape to what Syria is in now. As such targets are very large, I expect Hezbollah to succeed in this in any war started by racist supremacist israel.

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