On November 11, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) announced that it shot down an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) over the Golan demilitarized zone between Israel and Syria. The IDF said that it targeted the UAV with a MIM-104 Patriot surface-to-air missile system.
A video, which was published on twitter by a Syrian opposition activist, showed that several Patriot missiles were fired against the UAV.
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الاحتلال يعترض طائرة مسيرة للنظام السوري فوق الجولانhttps://t.co/tKuh0gKpn6 pic.twitter.com/JUNlvLrzLQ— وكالة صفا (@SafaPs) November 11, 2017
Meanwhile, Reuters revealed that the UAV was Russian-made. Syrian pro-government sources confirmed the Reuters report and said that the UAV was an Orlan-10 of the Syrian Air Force.
On July 17, the Israel army fired three Patriot missiles against an unspecified UAV over the Golan Heights. However, none of the missiles hit the UAV that was able to go back to the Syria airspace. Llater it was revealed that it was a Russian-made UAV.
The situation in the Golan highest will likely clam down in the upcoming hours, as Israel does not respond usually to this kind of violations, especially that it shoot down the UAV.
HA!
Goes to show Israel’s ‘Power’ against someone on par with themselves!
American citizens are being robbed because , bribery is legal, Israel has a huge Lobbyist force, forever bribing our elected officials.
https://www.aipac.org/
This is merely one of lobbies and they state that they are American not foreign ( and whats worse, such statement was defended in front of court ). All in all, Americans are being shit on by Israelis especially since USS Liberty accident.
Truth is that America is owned by Israel who is their Master. This reminds me of some quotes from Benjamin Franklin.
What if, both the US and Israel were owned and they are both vassal states ?.
Interesting view but bmo it is highly unlikely because of many factors.
For example…
It was only with Lyndon Johnson in power that there was pro-Israeli president in cabinet in the USA. Even so, Israeli lobbyists had to ‘work their arses up’ to cover up USS Liberty.
That case points out differences and subject of American support was done through out by Norman Finkelstein ( case of American Jewry support for Israel which was non existent in early 60s ) and also by other authors.
Interesting view from Norman in interview at Real News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXTWd2rZJYM
OK what if I stated that the Deep state is run by the European Monarchy ?
That is even more interesting but problem with it is that sources with which one could back such claim are not credible. Many of those ‘sources’ are essentially reliant on other conspiracy theories. For example, period when, allegedly, United States FOR America became United States OF America in favor of bankers as compensation for independence etc. What do you have in mind about it? I have dismissed every single of those theories but am always open for credible information, thanks.
Correct. All roads lead to Rome.
The situation with lobbying is quite normal. Large national/religious minorities/majorities can often influence on the foreign policy of the mother state. Of course that the US population with Italians and Albanians or Irish rots will always lobbying for the cause of their roots state if being in trouble or in favour of it’s interests.
That is true but also important to note is that such organizations can’t be registered as domestic in nature but only in the nature of the work they do. Even the Ziopedia has pretty nice information about legal aspect of this issue : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee#Controversy_and_criticism
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Why the certain states had implemented and accepted “double vote” principle?
It’s a nationalistic, right party populist methodology to assure power with manipulating with population which is not really informed about anything in it’s bellowed country of “all of them”. The Jews around a world have some specific, but 90% is equal methodology of motherland right wingers for other spread ethnicity.
Many thanks for posting Norman Finkelstein analyses regarding to that!
I have not gone deep into subject to be able to make argument about double vote.
Maybe by looking at list of countries with such agreements would surely reveal more info.
That will get on my ‘to do’ list in near future as it surely is relevant to my current research. Mr. Finkelstein is highly respected scholar i am glad you appreciate his work :)
Funny (or not?) thing is that they bribe US officials with US taxpayers money…
You beat me to it.
Year 1 ….. US foreign aid to Israeli = xx billion.
Year 1 ….. Israel to US political cronies + lobbyists = xx billion – 10% admin charge.
Year 2…… US foreign aid to Israeli = xx billion + y billion.
Year 2 ….. Israel to US political cronies + lobbyists = (xx billion + y billion)- 10% admin charge.
and so on and so on….. and as you say all of it US taxpayer’s money.
The funniest thing is that the fiat money is worth Jack S.it
Like taking candy from babies.
But it’s a good thing, many an empire has been bled to death by the Jews, and America deserves a slow death.
Lol What a waste of $!
hehe yeah, maybe even one of those Patriot missiles is more expensive that Russian made drone. But being more expensive doesn’t translate in being more efficient, even tho US military machine wan’t US citizens to believe that.
Efficient at what? The US MIC is the most efficient method ever devised by man to transfer taxes into oligarch wealth.
Well i wrote this : ” But being more expensive DOESN’T translate in being more efficient ”.
I am hence a bit confused by your reply with which i do agree to some extent. US MIC has done great in most recent ‘Korean crisis’.
What is it with you lot today.
He wrote “Efficient at what? The US MIC is the most efficient method ever devised by man to transfer taxes into oligarch wealth.”
Just read this bit “is the most efficient method ever devised by man to transfer taxes into oligarch wealth.”
…… !!
No offense intended.
Language barrier it was my fault :) Didn’t understand his sarcasm.
No worries mate, you wait for some of my comments later on tonight……. Saturday + football + wine and beer = a disaster. I apologise now for what I may say.
Hehe i avoid boards when i get drunk, you are brave man :)
The US MIC has never prized efficiency or bang for the buck. I like the new Oshkosh trucks but they are insanely expensive. So a 400k+ vehicle to replace a 100k+ Hummer to replace a $10k Jeep.
Thank God, I read the whole statement; after “The US MIC is the most efficient method ever devised by man” – I had my fingers at the keyboard.
But you are so right and it really is that simple.
Not the most efficient by far. Most efficient is the monetary system itself.
“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.” -Abraham Lincoln
“Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most conspicuous and sacred responsibility, all talks of the sovereignty of Parliament and of democracy is idle and futile… Once a nation parts with the control of its credit, it matters not who makes the laws….Usury once in control will wreck the nation.”
William Lyon MacKenzie King, former Prime Minister of Canada
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” – Thomas Jefferson in the debate over the Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809)
“Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of a pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you wish to remain slaves of the Bankers and pay for the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits.”
Sir Josiah Stamp, President of the Bank of England in the 1920s, the second richest man in
Britain.
Using the monetary system, the bankers have been able to steal ownership of most corporations on this planet. Big Pharma, MIC, Big Agro, everything. Science says.
The sweetest part of that ponzi scheme. The fact we borrow created out of nothing money from banksters with interest,(1) then the bought and paid for politicos give it back to the corporations the banksters own,(2) for the imperialism the banksters seek.(3) Sweetest scam EVER. Cant accuse banksters of stupidity. The herd is clueless.
1- “In the modern economy, most money takes the form of bank
deposits. But how those bank deposits are created is often
misunderstood: the principal way is through commercial
banks making loans. Whenever a bank makes a loan, it
simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the
borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money”
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q1prereleasemoneycreation.pdf “
2 -“So no, it’s not a hyperbole to say the Banking System is One. We’re not overstating the case when we say it’s just one massive cartel. That the banks own everything, including all the major industries. Oil, Weapons, Pharmaceuticals, Food, Telecom and IT, etc. It’s all one massive monopoly. Controlled from the top down “
’A total of 737 control 80% of it all”
The Money Power is real and these Swiss gentlemen have done us a favor by crunching the numbers.”
Please Google “The network of global corporate control”
3- “Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – One World, if you will.If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it ”
| David Rockefeller | ( see trade deals removing soverignty,immigration, imperialism, and inequality as the effort “to build a more integrated global political and economic structure”)
Syria should buy more and send everyday in exchange for three Patriot missiles . I am sure Israel will give up as each Patriot costs more than the UAV
Now who is correct. Was it shot down?
$3 mil each is the unit price for a Patriot missile as reported this summer. I doubt the Orlan-10 cost more than $250k and probably less.
Well needing 3 missiles at 3 million per pop to shoot down one really is stupid.
As usual US arms are overpriced just like their f35
Sorry to be pedantic – “As usual US arms are overpriced just like their f35 AND UTTER CRAP”.
2 orlan-10 = 83k $ ))
Israel doesnt care much because its US money anyway.
Israel can also use its iron dome system, which is much cheaper. I wonder why they did not use that.
It’s short range.
It is not real
Because it isn’t efficient even against Hamas enhanced fireworks :)
Pretext was never easier to fabricate. Crazy times, world populations have almost been forced out of having any critical thinking or healthy common sense. Very fruitful era for Zionists, it was never easier for them to rule even when compared to ‘information dark ages’ before internet.
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. … We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. … In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons … who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda
Now that is one great piece to share :)
Truth to be told Ancient Greeks have made great evaluation of government types but it seems that the world wasn’t interested. Hence the situation we live in today.
I don’t think Machiavelli was Greek.
Swarm those filthy terrorist Rothschild spawns squatting in stolen land. The US terrorists should go broke funding the Ziocorporate neocolony’s Patriot systems.
they have the petro dollar, supporting the US dollar printing press, which supports the military industrial complex. How exactly will they go broke when anyone like Saddam or Qaddafi, those who rejected the petro dollar, get invaded and murdered.
Demilitarized Golan Heights zone? How is it demiliterized if there are israilian military. Damn those patriot missile are cost much more than some Orlan UAV.
There has been a demilitarised zone, manned by a UN peacekeeping force, between the Israeli occupied part of the Golan and Syria. This zone has been there for decades.
Yet again, you missed the point.
Educate me
Read his comment again and educate yourself . Sarcasm and satire come to mind.
prerequisite for education is the ability of the person, to be educated, to use logic and abstraction.
there is no evidence, that you possess any of those prerequisites, to contrary, you prove with every comment, that your brain is dead.
Hence you are a useles problem here in the discussion.
Occupied, says it all, thieves, and oppressors.
They planned to shoot it down looong before it gets close to the zone, according to Haaretz.
They even contacted Russians to make sure it’s not one of their drones. The missiles were fired while the drone was still on Syrian airspace and it never entered Israel’s.
Bad drone! That’ll teach you to NOT spy on Israel’s beloved HTS in Qunaytera!
Sok, the yanks pay, and they have an unlimited volume printing press that is supported by the corrupt petro dollar.
There is no IDF and also no SAA between the A (ceasefire line = positions to which the IDF has withdrawn in the 1974 war) and B- line (ceasefire line on the Syrian side); The IDF go as far as their “technical fence” (A-line). Beyond those lines are the demilitarisation zones (DMZ), where limited types of arms and forces allowed (defensive). From the A-line to the border of the “demilitarised zone” on the Israeli side, which runs approximately along the Jordan Valley and the east side of lake Galilee, it’s about 20km at best. A Patriot missile can easily go much further than that. Also it might well be that Patriot missiles are allowed within the DMZ as they are defensive weapons.
A Patriot missile costs between US$2-3 million, so they spent at least 6 million to probably miss a less than half million dollar drone.
Unless Israel produces pics of the crashed drone, they missed it.
they could not care less about the money.
Money is a problem of US tax payer.
The video looks more like a jet launching pairs of missiles. Patriots do not have a smoke trail that far out.
They do not have a smoke trail, that is water re-crystallising.
Any link for explanation of that process in physics? Thanks in advance.
Yes actually and NO this has nothing to with Chemtrails (which are also a fact).
These are chemtrails – https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Fsundaytimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F1c87a27c-5faf-11e6-beb0-462e4fc1b218.jpg?crop=2667%2C1500%2C0%2C0&resize=2400
But even planes or anything flying at certain altitude changes the PVT curves – very similar to when you boil your water in your kettle. You start with a liquid – but you see some steam given off.
In this case, it is the other way around, similar to water => ice or snow; so from what I get, the pressure increases as the rockets are fired, then a sudden de-pressurisation (similar to drag in an F1 race) occurs and the PVT chart moves to the solidifies section.
http://wordpress.mrreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Phase_diagram_of_water.svg_.png
There are more qualified people on here to say if I am right or wrong. This is my view only.
Thanks i’ll look more into it. Chemtrails have nothing with my question tho, i am not into that :)
Patriot missile has a significant smoke trail. All the way to the target.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svZtg_PBr6s
Yes, but no, but Yes; it is the same chemical and physical phenomena that basically sets the two apart.
Now you’re 100% sure about that? I’m trying to be nice here and tell you those look like air-launched missile motor trails to me. You’re suggesting that a PAC-3 missile produces a phenomena post-boost that large jet engine and wings produce somewhere around 7,500m at -37°C.
I have no idea about missiles, but I do know a little about physics and chemistry.
Here you go; on a cold night, just a normal cold / wintery night, throw a handful of water or batter still, shove it on a small firework rocket and shoot upwards … and see what happens.
How do you get ice and snow ?
Please look at the video again.
MMMM – can I say 99.5% sure ?.
More Yank crap doesn’t work !! – “are you watching, are you watching, are you watching the total farce, ….. are you watching the the total farce”
Are surveillance drones covered under the list of military equipment not allowed in the ‘de-militarized’ zone?
If I was the Syrians or Hezbollah, I’d be keeping as many eyes as possible on the Izzies.
Using the monetary system, the bankers have been able to steal ownership of most corporations on this planet. Big Pharma, MIC, Big Agro, everything. Science says.
The sweetest part of that ponzi scheme. The fact we borrow created out of nothing money from banksters with interest,(1) then the bought and paid for politicos give it back to the corporations the banksters own,(2) for the imperialism the banksters seek.(3) Sweetest scam EVER. Cant accuse banksters of stupidity. While the herd is clueless.
1- “In the modern economy, most money takes the form of bank
deposits. But how those bank deposits are created is often
misunderstood: the principal way is through commercial
banks making loans. Whenever a bank makes a loan, it
simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the
borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money”
http://www.bankofengland.co… “
2 -“So no, it’s not a hyperbole to say the Banking System is One. We’re not overstating the case when we say it’s just one massive cartel. That the banks own everything, including all the major industries. Oil, Weapons, Pharmaceuticals, Food, Telecom and IT, etc. It’s all one massive monopoly. Controlled from the top down “
’A total of 737 control 80% of it all”
The Money Power is real and these Swiss gentlemen have done us a favor by crunching the numbers.”
Please Google “The network of global corporate control”
3- “Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – One World, if you will.If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it ”
| David Rockefeller | ( see trade deals removing soverignty,immigration, imperialism, and inequality as the effort “to build a more integrated global political and economic structure”)
“Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.”
Gilens, M., & Page, B. I. (2014). Testing theories of American politics: Elites, interest groups, and average citizens. Perspectives on Politics, 12(3), 564-581. DOI: 10.1017/S1537592714001595
“In short, Really Existing Capitalist Democracy is very remote from the soaring rhetoric about democracy. But there is another version of democracy. Actually it’s the standard doctrine of progressive, contemporary democratic theory. So I’ll give some illustrative quotes from leading figures – incidentally not figures on the right. These are all good Woodrow Wilson-FDR-Kennedy liberals, mainstream ones in fact. So according to this version of democracy, “the public are ignorant and meddlesome outsiders. They have to be put in their place. Decisions must be in the hands of an intelligent minority of responsible men, who have to be protected from the trampling and roar of the bewildered herd”. The herd has a function, as it’s called. They’re supposed to lend their weight every few years, to a choice among the responsible men. But apart from that, their function is to be “spectators, not participants in action” – and it’s for their own good. Because as the founder of liberal political science pointed out, we should not succumb to “democratic dogmatisms about people being the best judges of their own interest”. They’re not. We’re the best judges, so it would be irresponsible to let them make choices just as it would be irresponsible to let a three-year-old run into the street. Attitudes and opinions therefore have to be controlled for the benefit of those you are controlling. It’s necessary to “regiment their minds”. It’s necessary also to discipline the institutions responsible for the “indoctrination of the young.” All quotes, incidentally. And if we can do this, we might be able to get back to the good old days when “Truman had been able to govern the country with the cooperation of a relatively small number of Wall Street lawyers and bankers.” This is all from icons of the liberal establishment, the leading progressive democratic theorists. Some of you may recognize some of the quotes.”
Noam Chomsky
Israel disavows claims of Russian origin of downed ‘Syrian spy drone’
Israeli military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Jonathan Conricus confirmed that a drone downed by Israel over the Golan Heights on Saturday belonged to Syrian government forces, but disavowed claims that the aircraft was manufactured in Russia. “We have determined that it belonged to the Syrian regime. Earlier I said that this is a Russian-made UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle], but additional checks do not allow this to be asserted,” he told RIA Novosti.
https://www.rt.com/newsline/409555-israel-downed-syrian-drone/
How to “disable” AA defence, swarm it with drones.
The US taxpayer gets drop-kicked once again.
russia should begin nuking israel lmfao
US taxpayers will pay for all these. A Drone shot with Patriot missile good economy. Zionist can afford it thanks to US taxpayers.
Great demonstration of Patriots capabilities. Has it been designed to shoot down drones?
Bringing down a 1,000 USD drone with 1,000,000 USD missile, what a great business, isn’t it ?