Iraqi Army Advances Towards Iraqi-Turkish Border

That doesn’t give them the right to steal other people’s land and homes

They steal no land. Not to mention that they were massacred by Iraqis during Saddam.

Alright so why aren’t they withdrawing peacefully back to their agreed territory. Why are they selling Kirkuk oil which doesn’t belong to them, etc.

So it is for oil not for the fight against Zionism…

Are you trying to change the topic? Yes the Iraqis are getting their rightful oil back from the Israeli allied barazani.

Rightful oil?

Yhhhh. Kirkuk belongs to Iraq, it’s not part of the autonomous Kurdish region in Iraq. Do you not know the meaning of rightful?

Kirkuk belongs to Iraq not to PMU.

PMU is legally under Iraqi government control. I don’t know what you’re trying to say

He’s a good kid by heart and polite, but utterly and hopelessly suspicious of anything Shi’as have a hand in, because of all the propaganda he swallowed.

Not Shias but Shia extremists.

As if it’s a real thing and in existence.

I’m going to act like you: By that statement, you accepted you’re under the influence of propaganda.
How does it feel? :)

This thing happens in Iran:
http://www.metalinjection.net/metal-crimes/iranian-musicians-jailed-facing-possible-execution-for-playing-metal
This thing happens in Saudi Arabia:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zngeew/anti-religious-black-metal-band-in-saudi-arabia-666
Find the similarities.

What happened to the band? Do you know?

I don’t. The Saudi Arabian, however, resides in Canada. So now you see that one type of extremism is not better than the other type? However, Sunni extremism is worse.

Then search for it before jumping to conclusion.
They could… They may….
Nothing concrete, no follow up, no nothing.

Don’t get me wrong, I never claimed Iran is like US. There are limits but nothing remotely warrants putting Iran and KSA in the same page.

Yeah but that thing doesn’t happen in Israel!

Heh.

This is what happens in Israel:
http://217.218.67.233/photo/20150525/6de3ed98-a56d-49bc-9d8c-9c1ae7a81adf.jpg

http://empirestrikesblack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/detainee.jpg

https://wearechange.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/kids-600×406-600×406.jpg

https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/blogs/34021/2012/04/91917-88197.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRVjboEWUAAUjPm.jpg

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The heaven on earth.

Oh jihadists use women and children as shields!

Specially that jihadi old woman hiding those two jihadi children.

But if it helps you to sleep better, go for it by all means.

The same shit that also happens with “refugees” all over Europe!

Wow. That’s the first time I see you use that kind of language.

Do you want to discredit me after I said you were polite? :)

Then change shit with stuff!

u r brainless child FIRST PMU WAS CREATED TO DEFEND IRAQ FROM . AND THANK THE SHIA PMU THAT U R KURDS ARE STILL SURVIVING BCUZ THEY ARE NOT LIKE KURDS WHO STEAL LAND AND RESOURCES LIKE BARZANI KURDS WAS DOING TO SUPPLY ZIONIST. AND ONLY 30 PERCANT I KURDS WANTED INDEPENDENCE BUT BARZANI KURDS SHOWS 93 PERCENT.

I am trying to say that paramilitaries make things worse.

Well the Kurds should have thought of that and withdrew instead of fighting

Why should they withdrew? And if they withdrew where will they go? Kurds and Assyrians are the oldest inhabitants of Mesopotamia.

They can go to the Iraqi Kurdistan Autonomous Region, as envisioned in the Iraq’s constitution (co-written by Kurds) and KRG internal law.

Let’s hear from Assyrians regarding KRG:
https://twitter.com/AXvids

Thank to the Assyrian friend who sent me the link.

Many Assyrians don’t like Kurds because Kurds helped the Turks and then the Arabs do killings against them. But we should find common causes and not hatred.

I wonder who is spreading hatred towards Arabs, Iranians, Assyrians, Shi’as, Turkmens, Turks and Yezidis?
Notice that a sizeable part of Iraqi Kurds are willing to cooperate with Iraqi government, based on the country’s law.
That’s what is the middle ground: “THE LAW”.

With the Iraqi government, not with paramilitaries.

Yes I agree, If there’s a paramilitary force not controlled by the government.
Sadly for you, PMU, Iraqi Army, Iraqi Police and Iraqi Anti-Terrorism force are all under government’s control.

On the other hand, Barzani imported some PKK militia from Turkey to fight with government. That’s a paramilitary force, not controlled by government and entirely foreign. Not so different than a terror group.

I agree that PKK should be kicked out.

Barzani importing PKK? You’re mad if you believe that. Barzani has bad blood with PKK. He helps Turkey attack them. That was fake news to try and involve Tirkey in this “war”. You shouldn’t believe everything you hear and see on the “news”. The Peshmerge do not need to withdraw from Kirkuk. If Iraq sees them as part of the Iraqi military. Kurds never agreed to PMU being part of the military, so Iraq took a one sided majority rules, fuck the minority step. And Iraq has to implement article 140 which it has delayed for 10 years. It was supposed to be implemented in 2007. But everybody here talks about “law” and the Iraqi “constitution”, yet they forget that the Iraqi government violated that same “constitution”.

Did PMU say otherwise?
PMU is an Iraqi force, under authority of Iraq’s prime minister if you forget.

If PMU is an Iraqi force then why do they fight Peshmerga?

Don’t act like a child.
They don’t fight Peshmerga. Based on their country’s constitution, they are sent to exact the government’s authority on it’s soil.
If some factions of Peshmerga engage them, it’s not on PMU.
In order to avoid clashes, PMU even sent local units to the area (not Shi’a units, mind you), like Jeysh-Al-Turkamani to Tuz-Khormatu and Christian units to Sinjar.

So if a government has paramilitaries then it is corrupt. And MIT-funded “Turkmen” groups are also making crimes what about that?

Would you keep it related to discussion?
MIT is Turkish. If you have any issue regarding it or any groups related to it, I suggest you discuss it with Turks, not me.

Okay, what about paramilitaries? Paramilitaries create havoc just like in Colombia.

Paramilitary groups following the law and the ones outside the law are apples and oranges.

PMU is under government’s direct control. They participate in country’s defence. They don’t wage wars or raids against foreign countries or their own, and even don’t seek to impose Iraqi government’s will inside the Kurdish autonomous region.
Their actions are according to the country’s law, nothing more.

You disagree, you tell me when and where they did something against the law.

I don’t know about that law. However, the PMU were created to fight ISIS and not the Kurds. Remember the fatwa?

What are you trying to prove?
PMU was created to defend Iraq, end of story.
They’ll face any threat endangering their country’s sovereignty.

And look into it, I mean Iraqi constitution, KRG law, you need to know more about the matter you want to question.

PMU were created to fight ISIS, not “any threat”.

Don’t twist it.
Iraqis themselves were massacred by Saddam, specially Shi’a Iraqis. He did it to Kurds too.

Yeah but what’s the problem Shias have with Kurds?

Basically nothing.
Barzani and co create hate. They spread lies about Shi’a forces to use it for strengthening their power. I have another post on this page, regarding just one of these lies.

Barzani even had good relations with Turkey… Spreading hate?

You said: “Yeah but what’s the problem Shias have with Kurds?”
[my reply]
You said: “Barzani even had good relations with Turkey… Spreading hate?”

Is Turkey Shi’a or are you trying to evade?

Barzani has good relations EVEN with Sunni Erdogan.

Is it in any way related to what you asked?

Yes, why are Shias against Barzani?

Do you want me to repeat my answer half a page above?

My bad, I meant Shia extremists.

No problem. I’m getting used to it.

Well, the PMU came and literally disrespected all of the Kurdish nation by stepping on, and its defilement of the Kurdish flag. Also, the PMU is an umbrella term. There difference of opinion among different PMU factions.

Kurds are mostly sunni AND non arab.

They put national pride before religion.

And who helped the Shia? It was the Kurds.

Everybody here is fighting ISIS but it didn’t stop you to accuse PMU and Hezbollah of all kinds of things in the past.

But I apologized for my mistake.

I didn’t notice.
But it’s a very welcomed move. Thank you.

However, I also accused Hezbollah with having relations with cartels.

But never showed your evidence, did you?
Accusing others are very easy if you’re not planning to prove it.

I have read articles about it but I don’t remember them.

So, no evidence. How convenient.

Keep up the good work!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/worldwide-drug-trafficking-ring-links-hezbollah-to-latin-american-cartels-a6849141.html
France, Italy, Belgium, Germany and US disagree with you.

Were the accused a member of Hezbollah? His crimes proven? Then why did they release him quietly?
All they did was adding his name to the sanction list.

Every coin has 2 sides, you know
:http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/24/515500/US-charges-Lebanese-businessman-with-evading-sanctions

And lastly, those countries were involved in that investigation. They didn’t announce anything so I can evaluate if they agree with me or not. Maybe you can.

Yes they were involved in the investigation. And the result of this investigation is that Hezbollah are not “good guys”.

The result is there was not evidence, so they released to accused.
But you’re free to draw any conclusion you’d like. Just know that there’s no evidence to connect Hezbollah to Drug cartels. Just speculations.

There is no evidence or you see no evidence?

If he was sentenced then you’re right.

Helping ISIS pass stolen oil to turkey for a cut? Doesn’t sound like fighting to me.

I think there are some Peshmerge who did that, they were caught. But I think one of Barzanîs son had a hand in it as well. Don’t blame all Peshmerge for what a very small percentage do.

The oil passed through to Erdogan’s son for years until Russia said “this ends now”. Now they want to steal oil themselves. The last thing the Mets needs is another Zionist bastard.

In Iraq oil revenue has been stolen for the past I don’t know how many years or decades, even Maliki’s government did it. People complained, but nobody listened. Kurds have blamed their official repeatedly about in-transparency of oil revenues and business dealing, but nobody listened. And Russia is helping Turkey invade Syria right now, Turkey invaded Idlib with HTS aid, yet the people hate the SDF who are part of Syria.

fighting as a mercenary army to promote israels and anglo-saxons interest in the area does not make them fighters against isis just the stooges who die to clean the mess israel and anglosaxons have created in middle east.

Who you think formed isis and armed it?

ISIS was created by ex-Saddam officers and was funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

no isis is the left over of BlackWater mercenaries and an army of the western globalization run and financed, by the war industry of them. So stop quoting what mass misinformation western media is spreading. Is one thing to know what you talking about and another to be an echo of their propaganda and misinformation.

If you are just another misinformed person then begin searching GLADIO get educated and the follow the trail of all the various allegedly terrorist groups operating around the globe and you have your answers.

other you just another clone of the western system brainwashed and holywood educated and not someone worth wasting time on.

Western system? Hollywood educated? All these things are against Europe and Israel while supporting “Refugees” and illegals.

another zionist idiot.

Another insult by haters…

keep it up braindead.

But not the USA and Israel eh. You are a zionist troll mate.

What civil war? Do you know anyone on the ground in Kirkuk, or anywhere in Iraq? There is no civil war.

Sorry , did not mean to imply that there was one . However Barzani mob has been put in place by the national government , and is likely to be “unhappy” .

Barzani clan? I wouldn’t blame the whole clan. But barzani and co (their media arm) are making up all kind of fake news right now. They even hyped the Kirkuk take over and had innocent civilians take up arms. Whilst the PUK came toa compromise with Baghdad to save lives.