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On August 22nd, Turkish air and naval forces conducted joint training exercises in the Aegean Sea, amid increased tensions with Greece in the region.
F-16 fighter jets took part alongside warships to “enhance, maintain and improve the operational capability of joint inter-forces operations,” the Turkish defense ministry tweeted.
This is notable, since Greece also announced that it would be carrying out military drills, in the same area.
As a result, Greece and Turkey are carrying out rival exercises in the same area.
Turkey announced on August 24th that exploration by its Oruc Reis research vessel in contentious waters would be extended for four days till August 27th.
“Greece is responding calmly and with readiness both on a diplomatic and on an operational level. And with national confidence it does everything needed to defend its sovereign rights,” Greek government spokesman Stelios Petsas said.
Turkey provided a response in suit.
“Turkey will not take even the smallest step back from the activities of either Oruc Reis or our naval elements escorting it,” President Recip Tayyip Erdogan said.
Greece had “thrown itself into a chaos from which it cannot find a way out,” he said.
Four F-16 fighter jets of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) were deployed at the Souda Air Base in Crete.
They are taking part in the Greek exercise, the UAE has little interest in Turkish drilling activities in the Mediterranean, however, it supports Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar in Libya.
Turkey supports the Government of National Accord (GNA), and as such they are conditional enemies within that scope.
As such, the UAE are attempting to assist Greece in pressuring Turkey in the Mediterranean Sea, hoping that it would give a result elsewhere as well.
Additionally, Egypt opposes Turkish ambitions in both Libya and the Mediterranean, but they’re not taking part in these exercises.
Greece and Egypt, though, signed a maritime deal, allowing them to share usage of their exclusive economic zones, which Turkey deems illegal.
Turkey, on its part, signed a deal with the Libyan Government Accord, allow Turkey to drill in the eastern Mediterranean, which would be Libya’s EEZ.
This agreement is deemed illegal by France, Greece, Egypt, Israel and Cyprus.
Essentially, Turkey has conflicts with most countries operating and exploiting the eastern Mediterranean Sea for one purpose or another, as well as those acting in Libya.
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Cocky, both sides are itching for war.
No need of longing for something if that something is coming your way anyways.
So be patient you will have your war for sure !
I do not believe there is any chance of an armed conflict between Turkey and Greece, unless the Americunt arseholes find it is in their interest, to weaken Turkey, which is growing too big for its boots. At this stage a bigger Turkey is far more important for a dying NATO.
Turkey is second largest NATO military, Greece is weaker than Bangladesh.
you are major military only in numbers, not paper tiger but not far from that either.
against opponent like Greece you can brag about your numbers but against bigger modern army like Russian you would have your arse handed to you VERY QUICKLY !
second largest???…be specific please…
he can’t because,
he is just as dumb motherfucker as you are
looser..this was yesterday…nigga..get a life…
Turkey has a largely conscript army in numbers, next to the Americunts. However, its C3I and logistics to wage multiple front wars is limited. Even bigger nations like Americunts bankrupted themselves fighting multiple asymmetrical wars. If there is serious resistance in Iraq, Syria and Libya the Turks would be exhausted in a matter of weeks not months. Their airforce is mostly F-16 and not real sustained mission capable if faced with modern AD systems. Even Syrian AAA easily downed a RF 4E Phantom back in 2012. If the Russians unleash the S-300 and S-400, the Turks don’t stand a chance.
The Turkish Armed Forces is the second largest standing military force in NATO, after the U.S. Armed Forces, with an estimated strength in 2015 of 639,551 military, civilian and paramilitary personnel.
there are lots of ways getting over with s-300,s-400..
Yeah, you buy them to protect yourselves against US forces ffs.
The Turds are begging Russia to sell them gear that works ffs, it’s a bit stupid of you to slag off gear you beg to buy.
I would recommend you to read my above comment on the stupid Turk. You will find a lot of good information about how “good” army they have !
I would recommend you to read what he is talking when he is talking to some Turks but not on thread like this.
He will say anything he thinks others want to hear, that guy is cunning snake and has no friendship for non Muslim Europe.
” Understanding of human nature is not your strongest.”
Oh but I understand human nature very well. Usually they talk about justice, those who are unjust … immoral people talk about morality.. I’m not an idiot … I understand very well what each one is. The man next to the Iranian is the Moshe Katsav is an Israeli former politician who was the eighth President of Israel from 2000 to 2007. Isn’t that lovely ?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ee_yo4XXgAMSNBT?format=jpg&name=medium
GREAT FIND!!!
THANKS MILLION !
Which second army in NATO? You are talking about the impoverished Turkish army, an army of paper … that fights only with representatives.
We often hear about the Turkish population of 80 million and Turkey’s powerful armed forces, the second largest in NATO, after the United States. Sometimes things are quite different from what they seem to be. Especially in the case of the Turkish Army, one can easily say that the created impression is totally false. In fact it is a myth created by the Americans since the Korean War. The last time the Turks fought alongside NATO was in Korea. THE TURKS IN KOREA CRASHING IN THE FIRST BATTLE..The first contact of the Turkish Brigade with the face of war proved to be disastrous. Raymond Cartier is more caustic, describing the facts with an undisguised ironical manner: Those first incidents with the Turks, revealed that further on the cooperation with them would prove to be extremely difficult and for this reason a stronger contact and a stricter control had to be established. Nevertheless this did not take place right away, due to the fact that the myth had already been created and would follow the Turks ever since. No one seemed to take seriously into account these first signs of incompetence. Clay Blair notes with clarity: “Like the war correspondents, Coulter apparently was mesmerized by the Turks and continued to regard them as superhuman fighters rather than the poorly led green troops that they were. Coulter’s misplaced confidence in the Turks led to disastrous consequences”.(10)For the same battle incidents, Paul Freeman was later commenting, in a clearly sarcastic way, that the Turks “look at the situation, and they had no stomach for it, and they were running in all directions”.(12)
ı am wondering the last war greece engaged…of course we are not superhuman fighters..a typical humans who love travel,watch serials,eating lovely foods and caring our families..( can post you a lot of things about the soldiers at Korean war but ı am not in a mood today)..so how can you get over us in a war..explain in details,be specific ….
No worries. You’ ll see in due time.
like cyprus…
It’s a matter of time to take back the north side of Cyprus. If you hadn’t the support of Kissinger back in 1974 then you’ve never invaded in Cyprus deviously.
all right…time is the ultimate lie detector..it will show us everything..lets wait…
Thats exactly what the Italians said…
Wars are serious business and not kids fantasies on the web. I have been a few conflicts in my lifetime and wars have no winners, especially if one blunders into them by bambast like the loudmouth Americunts. The Greeks hopefully are not suicidal.
sources :
Thomas Nigel/ Abbott Peter/ Mike Chappel, The Korean War 1950-53, Osprey 1986, p. 21.
Stokesbury James, A short history of the Korean War, 1988, p. 238.
Stokesbury James, A short history of the Korean War, 1988, p. 299.
Clay Blair, The forgotten war. America in Korea 1950-1953, New York Times books 1987, p. 451.
Robert Leckie, Conflict: The history of the Korean War 1950-1953, G.P. Putham’s Sons 1962, p. 202, 203.
Admiral William J. Crowe, Jr, The line of fire, Simon & Schuster-1993, p. 91, 92.
You are an army of paper. !!
??????…DO YOU REMEMBER ME????
YOU WILL SOON!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/731452a009b24c5dc6c9fcfc812ca8f724a8ba5159d9fac3237dc66f5603a1e5.gif
Greece will destroy Turkey in 72 hours…keep dreaming…
Some kids have vivid fantasies :) let them dream, it is good free entertainment, like a midget jerking off in the vain hope that his tiny dick may grow :)
come to daddy darling, do you need another extra ship touching ?
perhaps u can invade Denmark….Egypt issued turkey an ultimatum re Sirte—their military is larger than turks
As much as we all would like to see NATO terrorist cuntries shooting at each other reality points to where you indicate. From NATO’s Zionazi Ukropstan to the US nukes in Turkey, the world “order” is still mostly what the US and Ziocorporate terrorist Co. dictate. Even if Greeks shot at Turks, Germany wouldn’t back them and would cut the flow of euros to Athens to save the jewcier Turkish market from being lost.
Others like Russia also want some of that jewcy profits. Good thing is that with the new discoveries, Turks might end up competitors of Putin selling gas to EU.
Only retards (like you) think that all events can be controlled from bigger centers of powers.
Life is full of surprises specially for geniuses like you who think they understand everything.
But do not let me interrupt….Nothing like friendly intimate Shia talk.
As long as you depend on Russian weapons you do not represent much no matter what you talk about Russia.
Russia is being surrounded by NATO and its only hope is a Eurasian alliance system and that is why it is seeking friendship with Turkey, with whom it has had historical rivalry and conflict. The Turks hold the stronger cards these days as the Americunt status as a major power is over and NATO lapdogs are no small and meaningless than no one takes them seriously. The reason Putin sold weapons to Turkey was to undermine a dying NATO even more. Turkey is a major destination for Russian tourists and their economic ties are growing. No alliance is permanent and nations act in their own interest, so the Eurasian power play has just started.
Believe that GREEKS WILL DISAPEAR THE MONGOLS FROM EARTH.
I don’t believe that is even remotely possible.
Easy…but germans and usa PROTECT YOU.
AND…THE KNOW WHY!
Germans are occupied by Americunts and can hardly protect themselves. In all objective sense, Turkey saw an opening in the Mediterranean and filled in the vacuum. Keep in mind it was the Italian, Canadian and UK cunts that destroyed Libya and killed Kaddafi.
excellent—the turkeys spending all their money to prance like girls at a dance while their economy transforms into a nation of beggars—in only 3 months they have been required to transfer 1/3 of their gold prevent their lira from losing all value…having been devalued by 20% in 3 months
non they will not be able to pay their ISIS proxies in Libya/Syrias
What is to celebrate?!?
Erdogan will become even more reckless and nationalistic.
Warmongering is his only ticket that he can sell to his unsatisfied (with existential problems) population.
The situation itself will push already radical Turkey to be even more radical.
And that can not bring serious problems for country like Greece but for Russia also.
The war with Greece in my eyes is becoming inevitable.
And that war together with implosion of dollar can create domino effect in the region.
Turkish economy is four times the size of bankrupt Greece.
You talk about “size” and what difference does it makes if the boat FULL OF HOLES is big or small ?
you one dimensional SIMPLETON incapable of logical thinking.
Can you understand what he writes here ?? Do you have the intelligence for something like that ?? Here you will see that Turkey has gone bankrupt ….
”
Turkey in 2nd Currency Crisis in 2 Years. Lira Hits Record Low
The Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey (CBRT) has burned through
tens of billions of dollars of increasingly scarce foreign-exchange
reserves trying to prop up the lira. It has also borrowed vast sums of
foreign currencies from domestic banks and then sold those currencies to
buy lira. But to no avail. The Turkish lira is plumbing depths it’s
never seen before. This week, it sank to a record low of 8.30 lira to
the euro and closed on Friday at 8.25. This three year chart also shows
the currency crisis in August-September 2018:”
https://wolfstreet.com/2020/07/31/turkey-faces-second-currency-crisis-in-two-years-lira-slumps-to-record-low/
gdp is irrelevant—-Vietnam humiliated the amerikans…but of course their GDP was larger than the USA…turkey is riven with internal divisions—urban turks despise Erdogan; his candidate lost the election in Istanbul….they cannot defeat either the PKK or the YPG
Vietnam was supported by China and Russia.
People who think that there will be no war between Greece and Turkey do not understand anything about relations of those countries.
All they needed a motive that would trigger them into the conflict the rest of the substance they had already for very long time.
And the trigger is most definitely for Turkey the energy (gas ) hunger and maritime territorial dispute deepened even more out of that
Both sides will not back off on their demands.
Greece is no match for Turkey and its alliance with UAE is amusing.
Greece could put up very serious fight despite the fact that you are almost 10 times less in numbers comparing to Greece.
Their armed forces are clearly one level higher in matters of training and capabilities and motivation would be even higher than yours in the case of the Turk attack
They could inflict you such big losses that any your “victory” will hardly resemble on victory
I suppose you are going to hate my comment bu that is my honest impartial opinion
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You are an army of paper. !!
Meanwhile the US Ziocorporate terrorists have been amassing narcoterrorist forces in NATO “global partner” Colombia, with Mexican scum and Venezuelan traitor terrorists, to attack Venezuela from banana republic narcostate Colombia and the terrorist Bolsonaro supporting from Brazil.
Russia? Getting its generals killed by US/ISIS in the desert and going on joyrides with Turks who host US nukes pointed at Russia.
shit.ocracy
full of shit as usual
Those nukes were always there for 70 years already you Shia whoring son of bitch!
Did Iran have their honey moon with Turks despite the fact that Turk drones have killed plenty of Iranians in Syria during their 1st incursion in Syria.
Russia has at least kill “by mistake” 40 Turk soldiers and I am sure that they will not stop there while Iran is only KISSING Turk arse and nothing else!
So lets make the balans:
Turkey has lots of military material but ;
-lacks the skills, they are locked up,
-they have no experienced pilots anymore: they are licked up or sacked, missing 75% experienced pilots. This is why time after time Greek pilots hunt them down to Turkey.
– no experienced commando it is locked up or sacked and replaced by fanatic muslims.
– they always let islamic terrorists fight for them and fighting Greece, France and Italy is a queit different level as jihadist.
-Erdogan has no countries who are friendly towards him except puppet state’s Turkmenistan and Qatar and tribes of jihadists.
-Germany is reluctant because of money but if hostilities start noway Europe is gone take side with dictator Erdogan, the public opinion in Europe is for 3/4 against today Turkey. Germany and Europe will join Greece, France, Italy and Britain. Even if Trump would want to support Erdogan out of personal interest he will be stopped by the US state and by his re-elections aims. Anyway it would be his wed dream to give Erdogan a blow (check player) so he could stay out f the fight but support Europe in silence. Ifhe does not he loses Europe mondial support and the elections.
– if Turkey get mixed in a fight with Greece it will lead to a war on all fronts Iraq, Turkmenistan, Syria, Greece, Burglary, Libya, Ethiopia, Somaly and Kurdistan Turkey.
– Russia will not support this maniac because they know Erdogan crossed the red line and is finished, he only can prolong his dead.
So no friends of any importance, no proffesional experienced army, to many fronts and enemies national and international, no logistics means to suplier all fronts. And – -Europe who can blow him out of the mediterranean and lock him up.
– Israel who can take him out with one single shot.
I think he might in his megalomania give it a tray, he lacks today the experienced generals to keep him from doing stupidities.
Maybe somebody Turkish stops him before he gets launched again, but winning no way t will be the next Turkish defeat.
And then we do not talk about the lack on money
turkmenistan,bulgaria,kurdistan turkey,ethiopa… dont play eu4 anymore..you have some issues
You are lost in the writing so you can look away from the content. But a defeat stay’s as defeat even if you write it different.
you dont even reveal yourself…our decision is made.we will accept the consequences..whoever you are dont stand in our way…there is a silence charm on you..you are physically incapable saying the facts
Clueless idiot you don’t even know what you’re talking about…. Go and jump maggot
as expected, the Turkish responses are an example of mind-blowing intelligence. their respond to a sound, scientific and strategic analysis and verifiable facts with arguments such as …..jump maggot,That is not even a remote possibility ( WHAT is THAT), Finding a good psychiatrist, Clueless idiot,you have some issues the closest one get to an argument is are the devine words: your are physically incapable saying the facts.
Clearly, they are followers of the president who cannot produce a university degree, but a time-traveling forgery, and represent the top graduate of a Hatip school. So this is the rational and intelligent level and the “truthfulness” that Turkey advocates. They do not have arguments to disprove the analysis, but power terms do, just like in the Mediterranean and wherever Turkish jihadists hit another nation. it is then surprising that nothing functions anymore, hunger triumphs and a “leader” has to resort to invasion and oppression in order to keep Tukije under control. thanks anyway for confirming the infinite lightness of the reason in Turkey.
Of course it helps Erdogan to censor information, facts, jail reporters also and the social media so he can keep up his fairytales
as expected, the Turkish responses are an example of mind-blowing intelligence. their respond to a sound, scientific and strategic analysis and verifiable facts with arguments such as …..jump maggot,That is not even a remote possibility ( WHAT is THAT), Finding a good psychiatrist, Clueless idiot,you have some issuesu, etc…. The closest one get to an argument are the devine words: “your are physically incapable saying the facts”
Clearly, they are followers of the president who has NO university degree, but a time-traveling forgery, and they repressent the livingexample of the top graduate ‘s of a Hatip school. So this is the rational and intelligent level and the “truthfulness” that Turkey advocates. They do not have arguments to disprove the analysis, but power terms, just like in the Mediterranean and wherever Turkish jihadists hit another nation.Is it then surprising that nothing functions anymore, hunger triumphs and a “leader” has to resort to invasion and oppression in order to keep Tukije under control. thanks anyway for confirming the infinite lightness of the reason and intelligence in Turkey.
As an elaborated example of the fact finding about Turkish weakness:
-Greek pilots were voted for the thrid year in an row: as the best in the world at the NATO Tactical Leadership Programme meeting (TLP 2019-1). They were recognised for their interceptions, long-range bombardment and strikes against war ships under extreme weather conditions.
– Erdogan looked to replace locked up Turkish pilots by Pakistany but was not allowed to set them in a F16
-Turkish Air Force crippled after mass purge of pilots by Erdoğan government
Abdullah Bozkurt Nordicmonitor.com
NATO’s southern flank was dealt a huge blow by the government of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan that has seriously degraded Turkey’s air force with a massive purge of hundreds of pilots from the service on fabricated charges of terrorism and coup plotting.
The Turkish Air Force (Türk Hava Kuvvetleri) was already in distress before a false flag coup plot in 2016, again thanks but no thanks to the Erdoğan government, which introduced a bill in 2012 that facilitated the departure of pilots who chose well-paying jobs in the private aviation industry. The Turkish General Staff had to put pressure on Erdoğan to reverse the bill and eventually succeeded in getting an amendment in 2014 to slow down the bleeding of the force.
But the damage had been done in the meantime, with 251 pilots asking for retirement or resigning under the 2012 law, which shortened the compulsory service to 13 years. The unexpected purge of hundreds of pilots in the summer of 2016 made it worse for the air force, grounding many warplanes without pilots to fly them. The Turkish Air Force — which concluded in a study months before the coup bid that said the loss of pilots was a national security matter for Turkey — was crippled beyond belief with the unprecedented purge of pilots by the Erdoğan government with no effective administrative, military or judicial investigation into any wrongdoing whatsoever.
According to the air force’s own internal report dated January 19, 2016, the military needed 554 new pilots including 190 combat pilots to reach its normal level. The departures had already brought the ratio of pilots to aircraft to 0.65, which is dangerously low, in 2014. The commanders urged the government to take immediate measures to raise the ratio and delay departures from the force by adopting incentives, extending compulsory service and other attractive options. The projection was that the air force would acquire a satisfactory number of pilots by 2025 considering the losses it had incurred in the last 10 years.
The confidential Turkish Air Force report on how to boost pilot numbers to compensate for the shortage:
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As of May 2016, the air force had 1,275 pilots in total with 378 combat pilots who were assigned to fly F-16s and F-4s. The required number of pilots was projected to be 1,829. The shortage existed both in combat pilots and others according to the data compiled by the air force. A five-year risk analysis table indicated that the air force was at risk of losing between 63 to 76 pilots every year until January 2020, when the mandatory service time for pilots expired. The risk analysis did not anticipate the massive purge in the summer of 2016 by the Erdoğan government.
The military came up with various proposals to stem the loss of pilots including legislative changes to Turkish Armed Forces Personnel Law No. 926. The cost analysis report by the air force showed that the military spent TL 2.1 million (approximately $710,000 at the time the study was done) for a three-year training program of a combat-ready F-16 pilot. The report concluded that it would be far cheaper to keep the pilots already in the force after the expiration of compulsory service instead of spending millions to train new ones. It was suggested that the veteran pilots be put on contract payment after retirement, creating an appealing incentive for them to keep working for the Turkish military.
The cost analysis for the training of pilots and a comparative look at pension funds for retirees:
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The government did not officially announce how many pilots it had purged from the air force in the aftermath of the failed putsch, but the figures reported in the Turkish media ranged from 600 to 716. Using a conservative figure, the number of pilots in the air force should have come down to 675 by yearend 2016. The projected number for routine departures for retirement or completion of compulsory service was 65 by January 2017. Therefore, the real number of pilots the air force lost could be even lower.
A confidential study on pilot needs in the Turkish military:
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This means the air force had a shortage of 1,154 pilots by January 2017, and there was no way to compensate for such a huge loss. The ratio of pilots to aircraft dropped to 0.37. The government tried to recall some retired pilots or those in private industry with little success as many did not want to go back for financial reasons and the climate of fear in the military over the purges. The reported figures show only some 50 pilots decided to re-enlist, while most opted to remain out of the service. When the incentive failed, the government issued an executive decree extending compulsory service for military pilots to 18 years from 14.5 years before they were allowed to leave, for example, to fly passenger aircraft in civil aviation. That did not help much, either.
The shortage of pilots was not the only problem. Many of the veteran staff members, especially at the operations and logistics centers that help pilots fly successful missions, were also removed, hampering the close coordination between the air and land elements of the air force. Hundreds of engineers on the ground were also removed.
The five-year pilot loss risk analysis data:
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Among the 4,215 military members fired from the air force by executive decision, 32 were generals, 2,059 were lower-ranking officers and 1,993 were noncommissioned officers. Most had nothing to do with the very limited mobilization that corresponded to only 1 percent of the Turkish military during the failed coup. Almost one-third of the purged pilots had staff rank, which means they were commanders and veterans who were in charge of bases, fleets and squadrons.
Yet the government dismissed hundreds of pilots through executive decrees issued under a state of emergency that were not subject to any effective judicial, military or legislative oversight. When the coup charges did not stick, the Erdoğan government threw bogus terrorism charges at the pilots and accused them of affiliation with the Gülen movement, a civic group that is strongly critical of the Erdoğan government and which was made a scapegoat by Erdoğan for all the wrongs that have taken place under his watch.
Ankara entertained the idea of training new pilots in a fast-track program and asked the Pakistani government to send trainers to the fly F-16s. But the United States vetoed such a request from the Turkish government, which sought prior approval from Washington to make F-16s available to non-Turkish nationals in line with the procurement contract for the F-16s. In the past, the US had allowed Turkey to train Saudi and Qatari pilots on Turkish F-16s, but this time Washington denied Pakistani pilots permission to fly them. This was a clear signal that the Pentagon was not happy with Erdoğan’s witch-hunt in the Turkish Air Force, which took down most, if not all, pro-NATO officers.
Draft legislative amendment that would allow retired pilots or pilots who had resigned in the force on contracts:
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Not only pilots but also cadets who were studying at the Air Force Academy were targeted by the Erdoğan government with dismissals and wrongful prosecutions. Although the evidence showed that none of the cadets were actually involved in the coup, prosecutors acting under orders from the government launched criminal probes and filed indictments against hundreds of Air Force Academy students, demanding life sentences.
The government not only closed the Air Force Academy on July 25, 2016 and stripped the title of officer from all of that year’s new graduates, it also transferred cadets who had not graduated or were still studying to other universities that have nothing to do with military training. It reopened the Air Force Academy again in February 2017 under the newly established National Defense University but found it difficult to attract new students.
The Turkish Air Force not only has an obligation to protect the nation’s airspace in the tumultuous region but also has commitments to fly overseas missions. It simply cannot keep up with these obligations with the huge shortage of pilots. This is the most fundamental challenge to Turkey’s long-term interests and strategic security needs. At the same time it is a formidable threat to NATO’s security structure, one that cannot be taken lightly given the far-reaching implications of this transformation in Turkey for allied nations.
The legislative draft amendment on pension funds for pilots:
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Abdullah Bozkurt
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Greece does not need to defeat turkeys—they defeat themselves with imperialism, poverty and internal self hatred—the previous Armenian genocide and the present effort to genocide Kurds
Finding a good psychiatrist in Covid era is not easy.
That is not even a remote possibility.
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Greece was a colony of Turkey for centuries and is that is history. Today, Greece is a bankrupt pauper while Turkey is G-20 economy.
Maybe your English is that bad or maybe it is your knowledge (the lack of) history, I dont know which, most likely its both, but Greece was never a colony of anyone.
Greece made colonies from Spain to India.
Get your facts straight before you comment cause it makes you look rather dumb!
As an impartial observer and a teacher of FACTS, this is the real history, just stating the reality so no insults are warranted children :)
After the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans in 1453, the Despotate of the Morea was the last remnant of the Byzantine Empire to hold out against the
Ottomans. However, it fell to the Ottomans in 1460, completing the
conquest of mainland Greece
This period of Ottoman rule in Greece, lasting from the mid-15th century until the successful Greek War of Independence that broke out in 1821 and the proclamation of the First Hellenic Republic in 1822 (preceded by the creation of the
autonomous Septinsular Republic in 1800), is known in Greek as Tourkokratia.
A country that would of lost it’s blood like you say would not of fought for it’s independence.
Nations fight for independence for political and cultural reasons not DNA nonsense which did exist till the 1990’s lol
Self declaring your self impartial does not make you impartial.
I am the Pope in the Vatican then.
Also, The Septinsular Republic was an oligarchic republic that existed
from 1800 to 1807 under nominal Russian and Ottoman sovereignty in the
Ionian Islands.
So not only you are not impartial but you are a liar.
A pinch of truth with whole lies makes you a tool, a troll, an agent.
The Turks ruled over you guys for over 300 years, so you have 100% Turkish blood, take a DNA test and it will say so.
https://youtu.be/86RLzOPOB-0
How is this relevant to the economic and military discussion? I could care less.
You just said 3 hours ago take a dna test. Well there is an example of a dna test of a Turkish girl. And she has 90 plus percent Greek blood. So first you say take a dna test and then you say I could care less?
Thew turkish scum among other attrocities would steal male Greek babies to take them to Konstantinopole (yeah thats the name) and turn them into their best soldiers.
Those soldiers did however had s3x with turkish females …
So who is whose father and who is whose sons…
Can you do the math or do you need help?
When was India or Spain a colony of Greece ? Parts of Afghanistan and North India were invaded by the Macedonian General Alexander. It looks like Greek education system is failing like its economy.
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The Greek colonies expanded as far as the Iberian Peninsula and North Africa. In North Africa, on the peninsula of Cyrenaica, colonists from Thera founded Cyrene, which evolved into a very powerful city in the region.
Other colonies in Cyrenaica later included Barca, Euesperides (modern Benghazi), Taucheira, and Apollonia.
On the north side of the Mediterranean the Phocaeans founded Massalia on the coast of Gaul.
Massalia became the base for a series of further foundations farther away in the region of Spain. Phocaea also founded Alalia in Corsica and Olbia in Sardinia.
The Phocaeans arrived next on the coast of the Iberian peninsula.
As related by Herodotus, a local king summoned the Phocaeans to found a colony in the region and rendered meaningful aid in the fortification of the city.
By the middle of the 7th century the lone Greek colony in Egypt had been founded, Naucratis.
The pharaoh Psammitecus I gave a trade concession to Milesian merchants for one establishment on the banks of the Nile, founding a trading post which evolved into a prosperous city by the time of the Persian expedition to Egypt in 525 B.C.
The Indo-Greek Kingdom or Graeco-Indian Kingdom, and historically known as Yavanarajya (Kingdom of Yavanas), was a Hellenistic kingdom spanning modern-day Afghanistan, into the classical circumscriptions of the Punjab of the Indian subcontinent (northern Pakistan and northwestern India),during the last two centuries BC and was ruled by more than thirty kings, often conflicting with one another.
The kingdom was founded when the Graeco-Bactrian king Demetrius invaded the subcontinent early in the 2nd century BC.
The Greeks in the Indian Subcontinent were eventually divided from the Graeco-Bactrians centered on Bactria (now the border between Afghanistan and Uzbekistan), and the Indo-Greeks in the present-day north-western Indian Subcontinent.
The most famous Indo-Greek ruler was Menander (Milinda). He had his capital at Sakala in the Punjab (present-day Sialkot).
The expression “Indo-Greek Kingdom” loosely describes a number of
various dynastic polities, traditionally associated with a number of regional capitals like Taxila, (modern Punjab (Pakistan)), Pushkalavati and Sagala.
Other potential centers are only hinted at; for instance, Ptolemy’s Geographia and the nomenclature of later kings suggest that a certain Theophila in the south of the Indo-Greek sphere of influence may also have been a satrapal or royal seat at one time.
India was and STILL is ANGLO SAXON COLONY
By the way, Alexander was a greek general.
Turkish economy, land size, strategic mass and military manpower pool is several times bigger than Greece. Global Firepower gives very accurate strategic and demographic stats. Turkey and Iran are giants in their own right and can whup anyone at anytime.
Turkey
PwrIndx: 0.2098*
*PwrIndx score of 0.0000 being ideal.
Ranked 11 of 138 countries
Iran
For 2020, Iran is ranked 14 of 138 out of the countries considered for the annual GFP review. It holds a PwrIndx* rating of 0.2191 (0.0000 considered ‘perfect’).
Greece
PwrIndx: 0.5311*
*PwrIndx score of 0.0000 being ideal.
Ranked 33 of 138 countries
By no means we wouldnt want you to believe otherwise, please Keep thinking that.
But here is another thought, what was the landmass and population of the Ottoman empire in the year 1820-21 ?
Cause then this happened :
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But dont let me distract you from your ”well educated thoughts” of a new Erdogan empire …(Troy comes to mind?) nah…
” Turkey and Iran are giants in their own right and can whup anyone at anytime.”
Turkey and Iran have become colonies of China. Ruling mullahs sell out country in China, just as some African governments have done. A new secret deal with China appears to give Beijing significant control over Iran.
The 25-year-old secret agreement, which looks like a colonial agreement, gives China significant rights over the nation’s resources. According to leaked information, it is revealed that one of the terms of the agreement is that China will invest nearly $ 400 billion in Iran’s oil, gas and petrochemical industries. In return, it will have priority to bid on any new projects in Iran related to these sectors.
China will also receive a 12% discount and may delay payments for up to two years. He will also be able to pay in any currency he chooses. It is also estimated that, in total, China will receive a discount of almost 32%.
Another secret element of the agreement has a military dimension: China will deploy 5,000 members of its security forces on the ground in Iran. These concessions are unprecedented in the history of the Islamic Republic. The deal is a clear victory for China.
A headline in the Iranian newspaper Arman-e Melli, for example, paradoxically criticized the government: “Iran is not Kenya or Sri Lanka (to become a Chinese colony).”Mahmoud Ahmadi Bighash, a hardline member of Iran’s parliament, told a state television channel that he believed the proposed deal included “the transfer of full power to China on the Iranian islands.”Even former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pointed out the danger of the deal.!!!Ahmadinejad told the ruling mullahs:
“Are you the owners of the country and you put it up for auction without the people knowing it? We made a revolution so that nothing is hidden from the nation and no one considers himself the owner of the nation “.
These are the FACTS..that you became a colony of China. And I’m not the only one saying that … but the Iranians themselves.
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That is rather banal nonsense. Greece is in no position to kill anyone, but its own economy.
The economy of Greece is the 51st largest in the world with a nominal gross domestic product of barely 209 billion in 2020. It decreases $10,709,739 million (1 January 2020 prov. est.) GDP.
Austerity measures created a humanitarian crisis, homelessness increased, suicides hit
record highs, and public health significantly deteriorated. The measures, applied amidst the worst financial crisis caused by Goldman Sachs since the Great Depression, proved to be one of the largest factors attributing to Greece’s economic implosion. Today Greece ranks as a low income country with scarce resources and a falling standard of living.
P.A.O.K .
Panthessaloníkios Athlitikós Ómilos Konstantinopolitón is destroying Beshitass
3-0 in the 30th minute in.
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http://vipbox.biz/soccer/watch-32ml7-paok-thessaloniki-besiktas-a-s?l=1443741992
There’s only a fact: Turkey’s history is nothing but a criminal record.
If you want our marine territory, then come and get it. If you can….
Προς το παρον τρώνε καυλι απο τον ΠΑΟΚ στην μπαλα…
Greeks were a colony of Turkey and share that history.
Hahaha! Is that so? Try again wise guy ?
You know, it’s kinda funny. Veritas in latins means “truth” but there’s no truth in your comment.
Actually, he is correct and that is history that not even an complete illiterate idiot can deny. I am only interested in the FACTS and not you Turkey and Greek kids insulting each other.
And why would Muslim kid speak Latin?
He/she choosed a latin phrase for nickname. “Lux and veritas” means “light and truth”.
So, i presumed that he/she knows that.
Of course he “knows that”…it will take him 3 seconds to Google the translation.
Does that mean that he speaks Latin?
How much are Turks familiar with Latin really? ( Not their favorite language I suppose )
https://youtu.be/86RLzOPOB-0
And there were so many colonies that now have an independent country and no one doubts what blood they have. Look at Hong Kong, India and so many African Nations.
Greeks have created civilized history when Turds like you were climbing the trees.
As long as Turkey doesn’t know her place, there is risque that they will be shown their right place by countries like Russia.
Changing borders by force was luxury that was taken only by US terrorists.
But Turkey is not US and they should remember that for their own good.
Turks ruled you guys for over 300 years so you are 100% Turk in DNA and blood. Take a test and find out. It is easy these days.
Try again you ignorant.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals#
What does an nondescript magazine have to do with the FACT that Turks ruled the Greeks for over 400 years? Personally, I could care less, but at least be FACTUAL. BTW, insults don’t work on an old warhorse like myself :)
Btw, where r you from?
I just posted the period of Turkish occupation. It’s 377 years. Not over 400 as you wrote.
Moreover, this article is published in sciencemag.org which is known for its validity.
Just read it.
My point was that historical FACTS can not be denied. Look, I am against a lot of Erdogan’s idiotic meglomaniac policies, especially in Syria, but that does not mean that Turkey is pushover. They have the second largest battle tested military, BTW, moving thousands of troops to Libya, 1500 kms away is no mean feat. I hope your Greek leaders are smarter and more realistic that the braggadocio festival here.
Well, you have a very erroneous aspect about historical facts. I just proved it before. Have you read the link?
Where are you from?
Turkey is a huge bully. Not just nowadays with Erdogan but from the from the foundation of Ottoman empire.
Greek airforce and navy are among the best worldwide.
The power of turkish army is just a fairytale, a propaganda of Erdogan’s regime.
Believe me, if Turkey was as strong as it claims, it would evaded in Greece.
He is most definitely Shia Muslim and could be from anywhere.
From Iran origin to Paki origin Muslim probably living in Europe.
I advise you to read all his comments with his Turk friends if you
want to learn about his point of view and duplicity.
He’ll never tell you where is he from.
He is well know big mouthed pro-Iranian bot born here long time ago.
Not very partial of non Muslim Europeans and specially not partial of Anglo Saxon culture and appurtenance.
His spinal strength equals worm and he will tell you anything he thinks you want to here.
And if he slightly opposes you that means that he hates you.
Essentially, Turkey has conflicts with most countries operating and exploiting the eastern Mediterranean Sea for one purpose or another…
Whats so difficult to understand that for many Turks here?
Unfortunately Turkey has to calm down and accept that cant have areas which are not belonging to them.
GReece is not Lybia or Syria.
And Turks know that.
Hopefully Turkey will calm down and dont do another mistake to open a war with Greeks.
If this happen then the big guys will start negotiating in how many pieces Turkey has to split and how this will happen.
SO SIMPLE
They will not “calm down”.
They think that Greece is weak and that their moment of robbery and violence (they love so much ) has come.
Nobody from the West will be “splitting” Turkey or even opposing them actively.
If dollar collapses the NATO and EU will collapse too and US strength will dwindle.
In that very moment Turkey will attack Greece with everything they have.
Greece will be on her own unless of course to some point that puts Russian interests in danger
which can push Russia into the war against Turks.
And that war will destroy Turkey completely.
Egypt and France will not just stand by either.
Maybe now, but we are all heading in very turbulent waters of troubled global economy
and many things will change.
Nobody should count on external help and should be pleased if still happens.
Don’t get me wrong I am just trying to be as objective as I can.
I would choose Greeks side over Turk all the time,
but I am of no importance in all this…
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seems Constantinople will return to Greek hands pretty soon… and i remember me laughing at people saying that some years ago..
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The Greeks have a very distorted sense of history and somehow forget that most of the time they have been occupied by someone. It is quite baffling how some people can be so ignorant. I try to remain objective that annoys most thin skinned people, but the Greeks are no match for Turkey. I know the Turkish armed forces inside out and they can literally be in Athens in leas than 48 hours, by sheer dint of manpower and firepower. Same way Iran can decimate the Zionists in a week by sheer numbers and missile power. I only try to educate people to make more sensible comments, not based on emotions.
Only two times through the millennia, Greece has been occupied. The first one was by the Romans in 146BC and the other one was by the Turks in 1453. You fucking liar!
I would doubt that very seriously. Let’s have a mature discussion based on history where the Turks ruled Greece for over 300 years and did wonderful things for you guys with good administration. It was the only prosperous era for Greece and then it went downhill to a beggar status.
I can understand why are you so prejudiced against Greeks. You still remember the outcome in Greek-Persian wars and your annihilation by the Alexander the Great a century later.
Poor fella ?
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And. Souflaki girl?
All the countries around the world have national anniversary days. They celebrating independence and the enq of war’s. Greece is the only one that celebrating the start of them…
Winston Churchill:
“The word heroism I am afraid does not render the least of those acts of self-sacrifice of the Greeks, which were the defining factor in the victorious outcome of the common struggle of the nations, during WWII, for the human freedom and dignity. If it were not for the bravery of the Greeks and their courage, the outcome of WWII would be undetermined.” (Paraphrased from one of his speeches to the British Parliament on 24 April 1941)
“Until now we used to say that the Greeks fight like heroes. Now we shall say: The heroes fight like Greeks.” (From a speech he delivered from the BBC in the first days of the Greco-Italian war)
Joseph Stalin:
“I am sorry because I am getting old and I shall not live long to thank the Greek People, whose resistance decided WWII.” (From a speech of his broadcast by the Moscow radio station on 31 January 1943 after the victory of Stalingrad and the capitulation of marshal Paulus)
Charles de Gaul:
“I am unable to give the proper breadth of gratitude I feel for the heroic resistance of the People and the leaders of Greece.” (From a speech of his to the French Parliament after the end of WWII)
Franklin Roosevelt, President of the United States of America:
“On the 28th of October 1940 Greece was given a deadline of three hours to decide on war or peace but even if a three day or three week or three year were given, the response would have been the same. The Greeks taught dignity throughout the centuries. When the entire world had lost all hope, the Greek people dared to question the invincibility of the German monster raising against it the proud spirit of freedom.” (Paraphrased from speech he delivered on 10/6/1943)
Adolf Hitler:
“For the sake of historical truth I must verify that only the Greeks, of all the adversaries who confronted us, fought with bold courage and highest disregard of death.. ” (From speech he delivered to Reichstag on 4 May 1941)
Benito Mussolini:
“The war with Greece proved that nothing is firm in the military and that surprises always await us.” (From speech he delivered on 10/5/1941)
Churchill was a racist fool and Stalin was a mass murderer, so quoting them is like quoting Charles Manson.
Plenty baked beans take it easy
confusions here regard military size and equipment…wars regard persistence and logistics—this informs why the US loses all wars—Nazis were defeated by USSR and Napoleon’s armies were defeated in Russia….these wars are expensive and are resented by many when they involve invading another nation. Greece is not invading Syria or Libya—turkeys have attempted to flood Greece and Bulgaria with their ISIS proxies (refugees) created by the amerikan/UK/French invasions of Libya/Syria…USa can defeat an island nation like Grenada/turkey can invade part of Cyprus–illegally….nothing more
All bragging and emotional diatribe aside, just based on the size of economies and military strength, Greece is no match for Turkey. The events in Cyprus clearly demonstrated that.
You comment like you were born yesterday, never been to school or oponned a book, or maybe you are just working for Erdogan him self.
Please entertain us more with your silliness.
…and keep in mind, this is one group of turkIsis cockroaches plus the turk – loving jew, 2nd on 2nd row.
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Souvlaki girl on the roof again playing zorba sivtaki again https://media0.giphy.com/media/11JsmDbdbziOWI/giphy.gif
And the Human race doesn’t approve of your kind turkisis cockroach!
Cause some turko-trolls like to play the old ”Ottoman sons” card…
“Greeks are some of the earliest contributors of genetic material to the rest of the Europeans as they are one of the oldest populations in Europe”
“All European populations are related to Greeks, Basques, and Finns, which form the borders of the genetic structure in Europe.”
“Greeks cluster with other North-European and South-European populations (like Italians) and are close to the Basques.”
Similar to European peoples, classical sub Saharan Y chromosomal haplogroups are not seen in the Greek population.
The African type E haplogroups seen in the Oromo and Amhara peoples of Ethiopia are virtually not existent among Europeans, although some E subhaplogroups are shared by sub Saharans and Europeans. In this regard, and in contrast to Arnaiz-Villena’s and Hajjej’s conclusions, Greeks and sub Saharan people do not cluster together genetically in modern times.
Vardar Slavs (Skopia – fyrom ) cluster very close to Bulgarians.
Turks have around 15% Mongolian DNA and a lot more central Asian from around the areas of Kyrgystan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan.
Greek DNA
Detailed Analysis of the Genetic Results for the Greek Population
https://greek-dna-sub-saharan-myth.org/greek-dna.html
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Your END IS COMING
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