The Salisbury case seems to be rapidly developing with more and more details and claims appear over the ‘Novichok’ poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia Skripal.
On September 5, British authorities presented images of two Russian citizens, Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, allegedly involved in “the attempted murder of Mr Skripal and his daughter”. The British side described these persons photographed and filmed in various places across the UK as highly trained agents of Russia’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU).
According to the British version, these very persons carried out an attempt to murder Sergei Skripal, a former GRU officer and double agent for the UK’s intelligence services, and his daughter, by spraying the Novichok on Skripal’s front door and handle.
On September 6, The Daily Mirror reported citing sources in Police and MI5 that the Novichok nerve agent was smuggled into Britain’s Russian embassy in a diplomatic bag.
“And assassins Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Bohirov were probably handed it by a staff member at a prearranged drop off point near their East London hotel or a swift hand to hand exchange before they set off on their mission,” the article added meaning that somebody from the embasssy staff was also involved.
On September 8, The Daily Mirror claimed citing intelligence sources that Petrov and Boshrov were a part of the crew of six – the assassination squad known as The Cleaners. On September 9, The Daily Express reported also citing intelligence sources that Petrov and Boshrov were identified that thanks to a recently-turned Russian spy.
“Although he had a position in Russia’s embassy there, his real job was to glean classified information about Nato.
Sources say he had been groomed for months by an MI6 agent posing as an art dealer, after expressing a desire to defect over his belief that Russian president Vladimir Putin is determined to foster conflict with the West,” The Daily Express article reads.
“He provided Secret Intelligence Service officers with a “wide spectrum of routine and sensitive information” about Moscow’s worldwide spy network.
He was also shown CCTV images of Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, the aliases of the GRU agents sought by New Scotland Yard over the Novichock poisonings. Apollo also provided their real names and true identities.”
On September 12, President Vladimir Putin said that Russian authorities have identified the two men accused by the UK of carrying out the nerve agent attack. He described them as civilians adding that “there is nothing criminal about them.” On September 13, the Russian state-run television network RT released an interview with them. (RT IS STILL RELEASING PARTS OF INTERVIEW HERE)
One of the main British arguments “proving” the Russian involvement in the Skripal poisoning was that Moscow is allgedly hiding Petrov and Boshirov from the media. Now, this point is no more an argument.
However, let’s ignore inconsistencies and absurdity of the British claims and look at them in the context of the work of special services:
Let’s suppose that the Russian top leadership ordered the GRU (one of the biggest special services around the world alongside with the CIA and Mossad) to liquidate Sergey Skripal in British territory. In this case, an authority department of the GRU had to develop a special operation and to prepare means and facilities to carry out it.
It is obvious that the liquidation of a former GRU officer in the UK will cause a new wave of media hysteria in the current geopolitical situation. So, this operation has to be carried out carefully and providently.
In general, any special service establishes a few separate groups with own tasks to carry out such operations:
- A surveillance team tracks the target, schedules his life in time and space and maps his behavior and habits. This work is being made for a significant period and its results are then passed to an analyst. Then, the obtained data is transferred to another group.
- The second group tracks the target during the next phase of the operation – the liquidation. Specialists from the first and second group never meet each other.
- A perpetrator carries out the action. In this very case, he had to spray the Novichok on Skripal’s front door and handle. In such operations, the perpetrator always appears unexpectedly for a short period (one day or a few hours).
- Another group, a covering party, protects the perpetrator and is responsible for his secure withdrawal and evacuation.
Comparing to what the British side says about the Salisbury case, it seems that one of the biggest special services around the world acted like a second-rate business man asking gangsters to assassinate his business rival. British authorities released photos of two persons, who move together under cameras across the UK, carry out the murder attempt and openly leave the country. Furthermore, they use a complicated weapon – the Novichok nerve agent, which was allegedly smuggled to the US via diplomatic channels.
In other words, the British side says that personnel of the Russian special services are idiots. The propagandists developing their story have fell to illusions created by them own. In this reality, snowy Moscow is full of bears, drunk Russian soldiers flood Syria and eastern Ukraine and Russian special agents in ushankas are behind any portentous events in the “civilized world”.
There is one unlikely variant, which may rescue the British version of the events: a corruption in Russian special services. If we suppose that a major part of the operation budget was stolen, we can also suppose that some gangsters were hired to carry out the liquidation. However, it is hard to believe that this may have happened. Modern Russia is not that Russia, which one could observe in 1990s.
A full version of the interview with Petrov and Boshirov in Russian (ENGLISH TRANSCRIPT):
The fact that Skirpal and his daughter had departed their home long before these 2 Russians even arrived in Salisbury makes the story of MI5 even more outlandish. If these 2 sprayed the entire of Sergei’s home with Novichok following their arrival in Salisbury, fact is it could NOT have caused Sergei and his daughter’s ‘poisoning’ ‘cos they were nowhere near the house ……….. they departed their home c 9.30 that morning whereas the 2 Russians didn’t even arrive into the Town until lunchtime!!
Their car was seen at 930 and then again late lunchtime. Both times heading for town from the direction of their house.
Have you never gone out for a short while and then returned home? If not, you’ve clearly never lived in a British town…
You conspiracy theory guys will latch onto anything. Seriously ?
brainless comes to mind reading what you posted.
Your callous rejection of another theory out you as either a misguided fool or a disinfo agent. The fact that you guys latched onto the russians did it right away shows where the real conspiracy is.
Allegedly does not work in an honest court. Period, the british have no evidence because its fake!
The Skripal’s car was seen at 1330 heading on the road from their house into town. Before 12 the suspects were filmed on a petrol station forecourt, near the Skripals house (which is on the opposite side of Salisbury train station to the cathedral – undermining claims of sightseeing)
There has been no trial and there won’t be as the Russians do not extradite suspects. So these men have not been proven guilty. And the evidence so far released is clearly circumstantial. But you lot have no evidence, let alone fake evidence, to support any other theory… sorry.
I guess that’s ok though, as I know you’re not looking for evidence ??
Over and out from me ?
Later disinfo agent.
I like how you dont even get into the technical aspects of chemical weapons, and how you know, there useless. Why use such a convoluted way to whack an old man, when a simple beating would have done the trick.
I aint the smartest butnseeing through this charade is a no brainer. Have fun in the sand!!!
In order for an extradition, the UK has to make a formal request to Russia…or any country. A formal extradition request requires cooperation with that State/Country, that means, you have to show/share the evidence….witch the UK will not do.
I wonder why they will not? Is it because there is no evidence?
Yes maybe, they would`n have lost anything by sending the request to the Russians…if they have evidence. Had the Russian said no, the Brits would have had an even stronger case and used it against the Russian state. But the Brits choose from the start not to cooperate.
And, the evidence against the accused is tested in a court of law.
No way will the British try for extradition, the whole world would see their lies.
I agree.
Honestly, this is the first time I have heard anyone say the Skirpals car was seen close to their home at lunchtime!! The entire of the “Story” peddled by media and by Home Office since the occurrence is that the Skirpals left home at 09.15 – 09.30 and neither returned home thereafter nor were see anywhere near their home thereafter. The entire of the story of their movements on the day they were ‘poisoned’ from the very beginning was crystal clear …… they left home that fateful morning and did not return home. Next anyone knows of their whereabouts following their eating lunch in the pub is that they were seen sitting on the park-bench ………. BUT
We DO know from very early on that shortly after they left home that morning, their mobile phones went silent and were switched off and that, up to date, no public information has emerged to tell us the whereabouts of the Skirpals throughout that fateful Sunday morning.
I think he works for the British Government, and has the authority to create new facts whenever they are required.
Yep thats why i called him a disinfo agent….and hes gone…make a new accunt a d hebwill return
Ditto. They said the Skripals left home around o9:15, caught 3 times on CCTV. They turned off their cell phones for 4 hours, and could not be detected. It was around 13:30, when they turned the phones back on, when located On Devizes Road one of the many pubs in Salisbury. Before going for Sunday lunch, followed by a walk, then being found on the park bench.
How long would it take the Russians to arrive at the Skripals, from Salisbury train station?
(Devizes Road, India Avenue – Head east – Make a sharp left –
Make a slight left onto Fisherton Street – Enter St. Pauls Roundabout and take the 2nd exit onto A360 – Turn left onto Devizes Road (A360) – Turn left onto India Avenue – Turn left onto Christie Miller Road – Turn left to stay on Christie Miller Road – You have arrived at your destination, on the right)
…………………..
‘…The first and most obvious regards the weather on 3 and 4 March. It is in fact absolutely true that, if the two had gone down to Salisbury on 3 March with the intention of going to Stonehenge, they would have been unable to get there because of the snow. It is therefore perfectly possible that they went back the next day to try again; and public transport out of Salisbury was still severely disrupted, and many roads closed, on 4 March. Proof of this is not at all difficult to find…
… The Metropolitan Police state that Boshirov and Petrov did not arrive in Salisbury until 11.48 on the day of the poisoning. That means that they could not have applied a nerve agent to the Skripals’ doorknob before noon at the earliest. But there has never been any indication that the Skripals returned to their home after noon on Sunday 4 March. If they did so, they and/or their car somehow avoided all CCTV cameras. Remember they were caught by three CCTV cameras on leaving, and Borishov and Petrov were caught frequently on CCTV on arriving.
The Skripals were next seen on CCTV at 13.30, driving down Devizes road. After that their movements were clearly witnessed or recorded until their admission to hospital.
So even if the Skripals made an “invisible” trip home before being seen on Devizes Road, that means the very latest they could have touched the doorknob is 13.15. The longest possible gap between the novichok being placed on the doorknob and the Skripals touching it would have been one hour and 15 minutes. Do you recall all those “experts” leaping in to tell us that the “ten times deadlier than VX” nerve agent was not fatal because it had degraded overnight on the doorknob? Well that cannot be true. The time between application and contact was between a minute and (at most) just over an hour on this new timeline…
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/
https://www.doogal.co.uk/ShowMap.php?postcode=SP2%207EN
Well said!! I had forgotten those experts telling us that the novichok had degraded on the door-knob overnight to explain why they hadn’t died immediately upon leaving their home on the Sunday morning!
The narrative is so fast, moving onto the next instalment/chapter, with the intention of us forgetting, what happened first. Which is why I have OCD, posting archived posts.
It seem that only Jon Nickolas have seen it.
The whereabouts of the Skripals now are also a big mystery. The Brits do NOT want them seen or heard from. Just bizarre at this point.
But let’s swallow the May version! Makes sense! Evil Russians!
The Russians do not extradite Russian citizens, not ‘suspects.’ No country worthy of the name extradites its citizens to a foreign country. Especially a demented one like the United Queendom
No reports of seeing the car, around 12:30. Their telephones were switched off and apart from three CCTV recordings, in the morning, there was no sign of them, till they turned up for a lunch-time drink, in Salisbury around 13:30. They then go to lunch, with another person, shown in the background of the photo, below. Who was he? Then they went for a walk, before finding a park bench to collapse on, hours later. Now how long does a military grade, nerve agent take to work? Seconds or hours?
Who took the photo? Image in the mirror.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1556616410cd08644368ef7442accfb9654b01159d9b958c001120432900d6ba.jpg
Well spotted.
What’s the bet that is their MI5 handler, and the person who poisoned them.
Which just may be the case, as I noted, look at Ms. Skripal’s face. She has a very disconcerted uneasy look.
The person they met with for lunch is clearly identifiable ……. enough of his face shows for digital enhancement AND …… how did this foto get out into the public domain? Was it in the Skirpals Camera(s) or in the camera of the (unknown???) person with whom they met for lunch. If the Skirpals phone(s) were recovered, was there any note of the identity of the person they were meeting with for lunch on either phone? Questions Questions Questions
WHY has the British ……. sorry my apologies, the ENGLISH Media made no reference whatsoever to the fact of and identity of the Lunch Guest?
That is what I cannot understand. Why no reference to their friend? Didn’t they put Skripal’s mentor under a ‘D’ Notice, so the media could not report on him?
It probably slipped through, they are amateurs after all.
I think most of these people get their jobs because of old bum buddies from Eaton.
Not forgetting they outsourced intelligence to the likes of ‘Belingcat’. Prefer the ‘Carry On’ scripts for comedy. Not the ‘Belingcat’ version.
You can see a look of anxiety or worry in Ms. Skripal’s eyes.
Didn’t her father behave in a state of anxiety, when they were dining? So witnesses mentioned?
I don’t see that.
Let’s just say she doesn’t exactly look casual, relaxed and having fun. I can read people’s faces as I have Aspergers. Perhaps I may be over analyzing. I can see she is tense and not quite at ease. Perhaps she doesn’t know their guest so well or maybe she doesn’t think too highly of him. I see that she isn’t in the present and she looks as if she has a lot on her mind. She ought to letting down, she’s with her dad and on vacation, right? She doesn’t look like she does in other photos. I see anxiety in her face. Maybe you are just seeing what you want to see. I haven’t really seen too many photos of her to have any special bias. Just stating what I see.
They’ve since taken the photo down I noticed.
Ah, I see. Thank you.
Lavrov.
One of Christopher Steele’s friends?
Pablo Miller: The Mystery Man Who ‘Recruited’ Putin’s Poisoned Spy
Russia says he’s a spy. The British say he’s a diplomat. So who is Pablo Miller?… https://www.thedailybeast.com/pablo-miller-the-mystery-man-who-recruited-putins-poisoned-spy
What is interesting, is the links Cambridge have, with the old ‘Soviet Spies’. When you take into account the Soviet Union fell in 1991 and how many nations, excluding Russia, ran with their begging bowls to the Soviet EU? Run on the same ideology, which they claimed they were escaping from.
How many politicians, plus, employees of the Foreign Office, MI5/MI6, together with journalists, found themselves being ‘highly schooled’ over in Cambridge?
‘…Harold Adrian Russell “Kim” Philby (1 January 1912 – 11 May 1988) was a high-ranking member of British intelligence who worked as a double agent before defecting to the Soviet Union in 1963. He served as both an NKVD and KGB operative…
Kim Philby, Born Harold Adrian Russell Philby, 1 January 1912, Ambala, Punjab, British India
Died 11 May 1988 (aged 76), Moscow, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union, Burial place, Kuntsevo Cemetery, Ryabinovaya Ulitsa, Moscow, Nationality British
Alma mater Trinity College, Cambridge
Spouse(s) Litzi Friedmann, Aileen Furse, Eleanor Brewer, Rufina Ivanovna Pukhova
Parent(s) St John Philby, Dora Philby
Spying career, Allegiance Soviet Union, Codename(s) Sonny, Stanley
Harold Adrian Russell “Kim” Philby (1 January 1912 – 11 May 1988) was a high-ranking member of British intelligence who worked as a double agent before defecting to the Soviet Union in 1963. He served as both an NKVD and KGB operative.
In 1963, Philby was revealed to be a member of the spy ring now known as the Cambridge Five, the other members of which were Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess, Anthony Blunt, and John Cairncross. Of the five, Philby is believed to have been most successful in providing secret information to the Soviet Union. His activities were moderated only by Joseph Stalin’s fears that he was a triple agent providing Soviet intelligence to British authorities. Philby was an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) from 1946 to 1965, and he was awarded the Order of Lenin in 1965… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Philby
Who created the Bolsheviks?
Well, as far as I was taught via USMC training, nerve agent works very quickly. I may not remember exactly but, you maybe have 2 minutes before the victim starts to be seriously incapacitated. At 5 minutes, you better have had the atropine injector sticking into the leg at the mid femor. At 15 minutes, if they have not been treated move onto something else and they can be collected later, because they are already dead.
I had a lot more respect for the professionalism of British Intelligence services before this fiasco. They are turning out to be just another bunch of political thugs. Even the Laboratory at Porton Downs doesn’t want to touch this mess with a 10 foot pole.
My take folks. Have a good weekend.
Take care. UK intelligence, do believe, much of it has ended up with ‘private contractors’, more interested in ‘cyber trolling’ then actual intelligence. How low do we go?
So you are saying it’s possible that the “suspects” made a beeline for the house from the train and put the poison on the door just as the Skripals were leaving again? Maybe possible but also improbable as is much about the British presentation of this incident. And none of it worth the massive tension it’s been spun into. Unless certain people just want conflict with Russia, regardless of cost.
Well. I guess one would make a beeline if the accusations are founded.
And of course it’s worth it – if as *suspected* Russian nationals travelled to the UK specifically to murder someone. The preservation and upholding of the rule of law is vital to the democratic system, whatever the alleged sponsoring country is.
Sorry. Now I’m really done…
Yes one could make a hasty trip directly from the train to the Skripal’s front door. With luggage in tow, I guess. But the timeline, Mr. Nicholas. They did it within fifteen minutes and without being seen by the now twice departing Skripals? Note: I have yet to encounter any claim by authorities that the Skripals returned home late morning. I accepted your claim they did for arguments sake. Either the Skripals were gone from the house before our Russian guests arrived or they literally ran into them at the front door as deadly Soviet era poison was being massaged into the door handle. Either version leaves massive room for doubt.
How dare you Ricky Miller! Confronting Scripal case peddler with facts and logic? This is beyond offensive.
The conspiracy theory is that these two men conspired with other Russians to assassinate the Skripals.
The apparent conspiracy seems to be the British framing up this charade.
There are no CCTV, no data, no information from the police, that the Skripals returned home from the town.
I see you are new, and only this story interests you.
You wouldn’t be in the employ of the British Government by any chance?
Haha… no! ?
Haha….. yes!
Skeleton Screens & Wales …….. only other comments on Disquis: few and v far in-between
No it wasn’t!!
OH, Poor freedom loving CIA, Mossad, Mi56
So true, the Skripal’s leave home 09:15, caught on CCTV, not to return. The assassins get off the train at 11:48, before making their way to the Skripal’s house. Did they go by taxi or public transport, with their bottle of ‘door friendly perfume’. How did it work, when father, plus, daughter never returned home, to use the ‘door knob’? How come the animals were not affected, owing to the strength of a military grade, nerve agent? Who put the animals down? Wasn’t it Porton Down?
Classical case of being framed. Period. No more to discuss.
We do it so badly, over in the UK.
That’s what Barba_Papa is talking about – attention span of a goldfish. Western elites are sure that after many years of soap opera, than reality shows, than instagram etc they have obedient sheeple (work force) at their disposal. Their problem is that elites themselves seem to be degraded a lot – I don’t have another explanation of what May and Boris are doing at the helm of UK.
Exactly also prozac and other anti anxiety medication makes people uncaring of consequences even when they should be. Large portions of the leadership is medicated and shouldnt be trusted with anything more than a toaster.
Heroin from your local CIA dealer.
Also….if the UK police fount traces of Novichok in the 2 dudes hotel room in may, as they claim, why did the police not seal the room, exam other rooms, inform/warn the Hotel owner, why would the UK police be so reckless and risk other guests lives for the next 4 month.
Russians can time travel it seems.
Sorry Jim, this was intended for Gregory
I couldn’t agree more with you!!
Now the Brits claim that the 2 dudes had smoked weed and had sex with a prostitute in their hotel room. They and the prostitute where so noisy that guest complained.
https://southfront.org/sex-drugs-novichok-british-media-claims-gru-agents-had-nigh-with-cannabis-and-prostitute-before-skripal-poisoning/
That’s typical for underground operation!
Arguing with the staff is the topping – you know that ‘grey man’ stuff is sooooooo yesterday.
Also advised is engage in marijuana smoking in a country in which is prohibited – that has the potential to make an encounter with a policeman even more interesting..
– “what have got there?”
– “no agent I have Nothing – just this bottle of parfume”
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I look forward to the fully translated into English account from these two tourists.
I also look forward to ‘Cruella May’s’ puppet on a string impressions as she attempts dance in another Voodoo anti Russian ritual :)
She was so not expecting Russia to present them. Wonder, why they cannot do the same with the Skripals, over in the UK? Let them hold a ‘one on one’ press conference, to show they are not being held hostage.
Because they are :)
Both are maybe in the U.S. by now. They are probably under guard in some Hollywood hills McMansion watching the doping informant guy drive by on his way to Malibu in his American taxpayer provided Lexus, or whatever overpriced sled the CIA gave him.
What I cannot get my head around, is why would two state funded assassins rely on ‘Southern Rail’ especially on a Sunday? They fly into Southern UK, Gatwick airport, then travel to East London, in the opposite direction to Salisbury, which is in the South West part of England. Then they stay in Tower Hamlets, (Bow), before getting the underground plus train service to Salisbury. Next, after delivering their part of the contract, which did not work, they then get back on the Sunday service train, to catch a flight from Heathrow to Moscow. Whilst in Salisbury, they find time to check out the antique shops. Can anybody imagine Ian Fleming using such a script for the ‘Bond’ franchise?
When I went to Cyprus, I seriously enjoyed visiting the Cathedral in Lanaca, owing to the beauty and history, behind the building. Making sure I return, whenever back in Cyprus. Salisbury is an old English town, versed in history, including the Cathedral.
No state agents operating together in a hit or theft would arrive in the country together. Nor travel together openly in front of cameras. Or take a train together or stay in the same hotel, let alone the same room. In fact Russia would not have used Russian citizens in this case because of Visa requirements. Russia surely has agents who are European citizens who could and have carried out discreet hits for national security. As does the UK. The U.S. Israel. And others. But none of them would use a nerve agent and in fact there is no actual evidence that a nerve agent really was used here. This could all be contrived on the word of…whom?
Agree. It is like saying that Russia decided to do a hit job in the most poorly manner and hopefully get caught, take the old dude out while his daughter had just arrived in the UK. Use the most amateurish guys you can find, let them do everything together and make sure they where seen and caught on many cameras….then let them arrive in Salisbury 2 hours after the Skripals have left their house and never came back, the 2 dudes put then Novichok on their door handle in hope the Skripals would come back home….witch they did not do. This story has more holes than a swiss cheese.
I kind of wish HRC had won and was potus. At least the conservatives would be far more awake at this point and resolute as to what is what.
Steele and UK intelligence involvement in his dossier. Comes in handy when May is in trouble with BREXIT.
Plus, wasn’t Salisbury meant to have been the first part, or a 2 chapter scenario, with Part 2, keeping the media happy. Salisbury, was just to add some more meat to the story. Remember, how Russia and Syria prevented the ‘White Helmet’ CW production from taking place. Leaving them with chlorine, plus, crisis actors? The missiles were all lined up, ready to go, hoping to have the support of the public, plus, UN behind them.
” in fact there is no actual evidence that a nerve agent really was used here.”
That is 100% correct. All the OPCW has ever said is that ‘We agree with the findings of Porton Down’ :)
It was all part of a cunning plan AM.
By the way , I never realised you were a secret agent. I am too. :)
I will be standing by the entrance to Westminster Abbey on Saturday at 12 o’clock with an Orange in my mouth if you want a clandestine meeting :)
LOL, please not an orange. Reminds me of the Eastleigh politician Stephen Milligan, who was found hanging, with an orange in his mouth, wearing stocking and suspenders. Not forgetting the spy, who locked himself in his suitcase, from the outside. Now cannot remember what he was wearing?
How about a lemon?? For old times sake
Only on Saturdays Mike.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the “MI6 agent” (maybe he really IS an art dealer who was in the wrong place at the wrong time) really did get the real names of Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov and their true identities from this mysterious “Apollo”, then the British Government can end the speculation by publishing that information. If MI6 really does know who they are, why not tell the world? Of course, if they are just Accidental Tourists, then their story collapses.
THe Skripal case had to be constructed in the most simplistic non-complicated guaranteed not to confuse the average UK reader kind of way, because apparently the average UK reader (and not just the UK for that matter) has the attention span of a goldfish. We have social media, smartphones and reality TV to thank for that.
Maybe that’s why its so hard to convince others of the nonsense of this case, because we are trying to use such nonsense like actual arguments and logic, when actually we should be using baby talk.
Yes, I had the same discussion with a senior retired fireman yesterday. His eyes seemed to see the absurdity of the British story but he was finding it difficult even to accept the UK timeline of events that go against the UK narrative.
Its rather like trying to discus the scientific beginnings of Earth to someone who attends church and accepts the fables in the Bible.
How was accusing these guys ever going to work?
If they’d gone with Boris and Natasha instead, at least RT couldn’t have done the interview.
A few centuries of island inbreeding, and here we are.
The British government has a history of framing people for crimes they didn’t commit. The Russian government may have recourse in supranational judicial institutions to protect it’s citizens from this type of abuse.
True, the Guildford pub bombing is a perfect example of how the British Government frames innocent people.
AND the Birmingham 6 plus numerous others in both Britain and Ireland throughout history …… recent history!!
Scchhh, they are old secrets now :)
The real mystery is WHERE are the Skirpals?Why was a relative not allowed a VISA to visit them?Why are they kept hidden ,or are they dead,to keep them quiet,and the scam running along nicely,?to be used to demonise Russia,especially in Syria,and Ukraine
If you were in Britain, the police would probably pay you a visit, for asking questions like that.
It’s hard for me to figure out which good the interview could bring to Russians. Unfortunately, it offers rock solid support to the British story instead. Is there anyone gullible enough to believe that they traveled from Russia to Britain to stay there for two days just for the sake of visiting a cathedral?
Agreed, who in their right mind would travel to Britain?
Well I’m flying to San Francisco in September 25th spending two nights and one full day just going to my favorite places in Golden Gate Park and attending the Giants game before flying home on the 27th. People go all kinds of places to see all kinds of things including centuries old giant cathedrals. The massive International tourism industry banks on the busy life quick trip and I’m sure that Salisbury Cathedral is promoted by the British tourism office.
So you’re a Borland programmer, I started learning OOP before I went to uni.
Why haven’t you got a job, or do you write tools for the circus?
So it seems that houndreds of thoudsands of tourists around the world are doing something that you can’t believe in?
A year ago I flew from Australia and went to Malaysia to meet my future but now wife and her parents. I only spent 2 night’s there and returned home. What is your analysis of this? Does this make me a possible spy? Based on your logic this would be very suspicious. In actual fact I could only spend 2 night’s there because of many factors that didn’t work in my favor to be able to stay longer. 1 of them been my job at the time only gave me the 1 day plus the weekend off. Also my wife and her parents had to time their jobs too AND I do shared care of my daughter and it was supposed to be my week starting on a Friday. So I asked my ex if she could extend her care of or daughter until Sunday. Does that make me a spy?
The British are just ramping up the propaganda, both The Independent and the Daily Mail have banned me from making comments that don’t follow the Government line.
There were also other posters, who did not trust the UK Government story, but not any more, all gone.
A retired British chemical weapons expert, who appeared on RT, has been arrested.
The UK has gone 100% police state.
Take the ban as a compliment.
I’d be very concerned for the safety health and life of the retired British Chemical Weapons Expert!!
Yes he could end up like David Kelly.
I wondered why the two Russians would have gone to East London, from Gatwick, rather than go direct to Wiltshire, in the South West of the country. Completely forgetting what the transport is like in the UK, when we have the wrong type of weather. We shut down, roads, rail, public transport, seriously cannot handle the wrong weather. The BBC, plus, all the media was reporting the 15 hour train journey, that normally takes around 3 hours.
Waterloo to Weymouth, via Salsibury, on the 1 March 2018, the day that President Putin was delivering his ‘State of the Nation Speach’, where he mentioned the new hypersonics.
‘You did not listen to us then, now you will listen’. President Putin 1 March 2018
Train passengers describe night of hell as they are trapped on board with no heat, light, food or water… Victoria Ward 2 MARCH 2018 • 8:00PM … ‘…The 15-hour ordeal began when passengers happily boarded the 17.05 South Western Railway service in a snow-covered London Waterloo.
They were bound for Weymouth, Dorset but as the train approached Christchurch at around 8pm, it broke down, grinding to a halt.
Not far behind, three other services left London one by one, all headed for the south coast and all eventually stranded in a lengthy tailback along the line…’ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/02/train-passengers-describe-night-trapped-board-no-heat-light/
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‘…The 17.05 Waterloo to Weymouth and 18.24 Southampton to Poole services both broke down separately on Thursday.
After merging and becoming one service, the train stopped again near to Christchurch where passengers were not released until after 6am on Friday…’ http://www.itv.com/news/2018-03-02/desperate-passengers-left-stranded-on-broken-down-train-with-no-water-food-or-heating-for-over-12-hours/
The real question that should be asked, is why is Britain going to such extremes.
They must know they are making fools of themselves, but continue on this path.
It must be something very important, and I think it is in Idlib, remember that it is the British who have arranged the upcoming gas attack in Idlib.
Something big is going on behind the scenes.
Try checking out the Daily Mail, 3500 comments and it seems everybody agrees with the British Government, not a single dissenting voice.
Now what do you think the odds would be, that every person agrees with the Government version?
I reckon Lotto odds would be shorter.
Now why would the media disinformation be all over the story? Doesn’t it always happen when the trolls are let loose, when their masters are in panic mode? Wonder who is financing them.
Weird, over in the UK, together with friends, we rely on ‘cyber trolls’. The Government has openly stated that they keep upping the ‘cyber troll’ budget, the same with the other nations who fund the ‘White Helmets’.
Meanwhile, over in Russia, their military exercises use 300,000 serving members of the Forces, not forgetting Mongolia and China chipped in. 36,000 land vehicles, including tanks, to go with the 1,000 military jets. Not forgetting the ships and submarines. In the UK, we only have around a third of those figures, military serving personnel. Funny, how May plus Williamson are so desperate for war with Russia.
Did they not notice just how many Forces, Russia can easily provide, when conducting a simple exercise. Whilst also, operating in the Med, under the threat of the US and EU declaring war. Not forgetting, they are also up to speed, plus, defending their nation from the Nato Forces, encircling their borders.
Who would you fight for? Russia or Forces led by ‘Belingcat’?
But why is Britain sticking its neck out so far, for Syria?
There is more to this than we know about.
It is the same crowd behind every war since the 90s, plus no doubt earlier. Why is the ‘Greater Israel Project’ so important to our politicians?
Operation Gladio, turned into Operation Beluga.
Because in pure numbers NATO has more personnel. Politicians are not that bright as they prove time and time again. Just remember the start of Russian involvement in Syria – they were loughing and predicting total failure. But if you ask real NATO officers (not higher than colonel) and they will tell a different story about invading Russia. Another important point is that they hope that Russian 5th column (and this is still very large part of Russian “elites”) will prevent effective resistance.
I was seeing pretty much the same on the Guardian opinion page.
And every other post was an open ended remark about the presence of ‘russian troll army’, directed at any dissenting voice.
This whole thread would be marked as a russian troll hangout where the talking points are refined.
Madness.
It is crumbling all the time but refusing to crumble down. They were honing those skills for a long time
The stories can be piled one on top of another till they are sky high, but they still can’t hide the simple truth that no hard evidence has been presented to support the accusations against Russia. Nor has any motive been established, nor a credible means. CCTV photos of two Russians who happened to be walking around town doesn’t cut it.
I think all this is an attempt to put Russia on the back foot while a new false flag chemical attack in Syria justifies a US/UK/France intervention to save a lost cause.
When the assault against ISIS in Idlib begins, the British will be there with Uncle Samuel and the French.
I expect the British planes will get special attention.
And the British base in Cyprus they’re flying out of. I think it might need some attention too.
Its getting more insane, now the brits claim the 2 dudes smoked weed and had sex with a prostitute in their room.
https://southfront.org/sex-drugs-novichok-british-media-claims-gru-agents-had-nigh-with-cannabis-and-prostitute-before-skripal-poisoning/