Biden’s Big Win in Ukraine

Biden's Big Win in Ukraine

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Written by Eric Zuesse

On March 31st, CNN headlined “Turkey approves Finland’s NATO application, clearing the last hurdle” and reported that Finland, which had applied on 15 May 2022 to join America’s NATO military alliance against Russia, has now received the unanimous endorsement of all 30 existing NATO member-nations, and is therefore expected to become a member within a day or so.

Both Finland and Sweden had stated almost immediately after Russia’s 24 February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, their intention to join. Joining requires unanimous acceptance by all members; so, Finland will now become the NATO member-nation that has the nearest of all foreign borders to The Kremlin, which is only 507 miles away, and this means that a U.S. nuclear missile that would be placed there would be a mere 7 minutes away from being able to blitz-first-strike annihilate Russia’s central command and so the U.S. Government would then “Checkmate!” Russia’s Government and be able to demand its capitulation. Although Russia has a “dead hand” system installed so as to launch automatically all of Russia’s thousands of nuclear warheads against America and its allies if such a first-strike blitz-attack by the U.S. succeeds, that “dead hand” has obviously never been used and so it might not work.

Russia’s RT News was the first to report the Russian Government’s response to the news that Finland will now join: “Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said … Russia ‘does not pose any threat to these countries, since it does not have any disputes with them.'” In other words: Russia’s Government distracts from, instead of addressing, the real issue here. They know that Finland’s joining NATO will present a mortal threat to the national security of the Russian people.

On 13 May 2022, I headlined “Russia’s Weak Response to Finland’s Joining NATO”, and reported that:

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On May 12th, Russia’s RT bannered “Finland’s NATO membership will trigger response – Moscow”, and reported that

Moscow has warned that Finland joining NATO would pose a direct threat to Russia’s security and its acceptance to the military alliance would prompt Russia to develop measures to ensure its safety. That’s after Finnish officials confirmed on Thursday their commitment to join the US-led bloc and announced plans to pen a formal application later this week.

“There is a current instruction from the president to develop a list of measures to strengthen our western flanks in connection with the strengthening of NATO’s eastern flanks,” said Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov during a daily press briefing on Thursday. …

He added that Russia regrets Finland’s decision to join the hostile steps taken by the EU and warned that Helsinki’s attempts to join NATO would serve as a reason to develop respective mirror responses. …

Last month, the former Russian president and prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, who is currently deputy chairman of the country’s Security Council implied that if Finland and Sweden became members of NATO, Russia might be forced to deploy nuclear weapons to the Baltic region in order to preserve “the balance of power.”

It wouldn’t “preserve ‘the balance of power’,” because U.S./NATO will then be in position to place America’s nukes on Russia’s border near its brain-center Moscow, whereas Russia isn’t in position to place its nukes on America’s border near its brain-center Washington DC.

If Finland joins NATO, then America will station its missiles on Finland’s Russian border, 507 miles from Moscow, and that is 7 minutes away from blitz-nuking Moscow.

During the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, America threatened to initiate nuclear war against the Soviet Union if the Soviet Union would position nuclear missiles in Cuba, 1,134 miles from Washington DC, which would be about 10 minutes away from blitz-nuking Washington (but would have required much longer to reach Washington back in 1962).

Consequently, Russia now is in at least as dangerous a situation if Finland joins NATO as America was in during the Cuban Missile Crisis when America was threatening to launch a nuclear invasion against Russia if U.S.S.R. placed missiles in Cuba.

Furthermore: unlike America and the Soviet Union during the Cuba Missile Crisis, when BOTH nations were willing to negotiate a peaceful end to that Crisis, Russia is willing to negotiate a peaceful settlement this time around but America is not and has repeatedly refused to do so. Clearly, America is heading for conquest.

Consequently, Russia must now, if it is to adhere to the standards that both Kennedy and Khrushchev adhered to in 1962, make absolutely clear now to Finland’s Government that if and when Finland will join NATO, then Russia will have no alternative to blitz-nuking not only Finland but simultaneously nuking all other NATO-member nations.

Well, there actually IS an alternative: Russia’s Government can cede its sovereignty to America and begin negotiations on a surrender to the U.S. Government.

Russia’s current vaguely worded threat against Finland is just a vague way of doing that. However, another alternative exists for Russia, but one that Vladimir Putin seems not to be considering, at all, even though it really is the ONLY sensible one for Russia to do, and it would adhere to the model that JFK adhered to in 1962. But let’s first review what has led up to this Crisis, so as to place the Crisis into its proper historical context:

Russia’s first strategy against further enlargement of NATO was to demand, on 15 December 2021, to the U.S. Government; and, two days later, to America’s main anti-Russian military alliance, NATO; that NATO would never add any new member-nations — especially not Ukraine. This demand was firmly rejected, on 7 January 2022, by both America and its NATO arm. Worse yet for Russia: after Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24th, hoping thereby to prevent at least that country joining NATO, both Finland and Sweden were so scared that they might be invaded next, that both countries expressed in early April 2022 a desire to join the anti-Russian alliance, and were welcomed by America and its NATO arm to apply to join. So, even if Russia wins its war in Ukraine, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine will have actually failed, because NATO seems now more likely even than before to increase — exactly the opposite of what Russia had been intending.

A more effective strategy by Russia might nonetheless still be possible. If so, I think that it would be something like this:

Russia will announce that its nuclear missiles will be targeted ONLY against the U.S. and its allies, including all NATO member-nations, no neutral or not-U.S.-allied nations. Consequently: Sweden, Finland, Ukraine, and any other nation that isn’t in NATO or otherwise treaty-bound militarily with the United States, will not be targeted by any Russian nuclear missiles.

In other words: any new NATO member-nation will thereby become a target added to Russia’s list for destruction in any WW III that might transpire between the United States and Russia.

Consequently, if  Finland or Sweden join NATO, then that nation’s likelihood of becoming annihilated if and when a Third World War starts, will enormously and suddenly increase, merely on account of that nation’s having become a NATO member.

Furthermore, Russia will simultaneously be announcing that if any nation wishes to have an assurance that Russia will never, under any circumstance, invade it, then Russia will welcome from that nation a request for such an assurance from Russia; and Russia will include in that announcement explicit invitations not only to Finland and Sweden, but to all other nations which have, at some time, expressed an intention or a possible future intention to join either NATO or one of America’s other anti-Russia military alliances, such as AUKUS. In this regard, Russia will also state that if ever Russia were to provide to a nation such an assurance and subsequently to violate it, then Russia would not only be violating its own tradition of rigidly adhering to international treaties that it has signed, but would also thereby be forfeiting any and all of its rights under international law, by doing so. In other words: Russia would, in advance, be surrendering to any country that it would subsequently be violating by its having invaded the country that it had promised never to invade. This inadvance promise to forfeit all of Russia’s rights under all international laws in any such circumstance, would be a surrender in-advance, under all existing international laws; and, consequently, under the arrangement that is being proposed here, there would be no nation in the entire world that has, or ever did have, so strict an international legal obligation as Russia would be having under this proposed arrangement.

Finally: this proposed arrangement will be offering, to all existing member-nations of NATO and of America’s other anti-Russian military alliances, a promise that if and when any such existing member-nation will quit that anti-Russian military alliance, Russia will be happy to — at the moment that this is done — automatically provide to that nation the same legal commitment never to invade that nation, as has just been described here. In other words: the proposed arrangement will be offering, to the entire world, a stark and clear choice between two options: on the one hand, being allied with the most aggressive nation in all of the world’s history — the nation that sanctions, coups, and outright invades, any nation that fails to cooperate with its goal to replace the United Nations as being the ultimate arbiter of international laws, by the United States as being, instead, the ultimate arbiter of what it calls “the rules-based international order” (in which all of those ‘rules’ come ultimately from whomever rules the U.S. Government).  Versus, on the other hand: building upon and remaking the U.N. into what had been the original intention for it by its creator and namer, U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, which was for the U.N. to replace the historically existing (until now) rule-of-force by-and-between contending international empires, by, instead, a peaceful and democratic international order, in which there will be a “United Nations” which will be a worldwide federation of all nations, in which international laws will be produced by the global legislature of duly authorized (under each individual nation’s own internal laws) representatives; and adjudicated by the global Supreme Court, and enforced by the sole global possessor and user of strategic weaponry, the U.N. itself, so that penalties that are ruled by this global Court of international relations can be enforced against the Government of any nation that has been ruled by this Court to have violated the rights of any other nation’s Government. In this understanding of the U.N.’s proper scope of power and of authority, the U.N. will have no authority and no power regarding the Constitution or laws of any nation that apply only internally to a given nation, but ONLY to international laws, which pertain only to international relations, never to a nation’s internal matters. FDR’s objective was to make another World War — another war between empires — impossible, by eliminating all empires, and replacing all of them by an international democracy of nations. Russia, in the proposed arrangement, would be striving to achieve, for the entire world, what FDR had planned for the post-WW-II world, but which tragically became promptly changed and abandoned by his immediate successor, Harry S. Truman — the founder (on 25 July 1945) of the present global U.S. empire (and of its hamstrung currently existing — Truman’s — U.N.).

There still might be time enough for Putin to make that offer, not only to Finland, but to the world.

NOTE: Finland was an ally of Nazi Germany in WW II, invading the Soviet Union during 1941-1944, in Hitler’s “Operation Barbarossa”, aiming to conquer it and enslave the Soviet peoples to Hitler’s Nazi regime. This time, Finland would be serving the U.S. regime to conquer Russia. Unless, perhaps, Putin makes this offer, and Finland accepts the offer.

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A reader-comment there said simply: “Finland was never an ally of Nazi Germany.” That person had apparently not clicked onto any of the links where my article said “Finland was an ally of Nazi Germany in WW II, invading the Soviet Union during 1941-1944, in Hitler’s “Operation Barbarossa”, aiming to conquer it and enslave the Soviet peoples to Hitler’s Nazi regime.” Some people aren’t interested to see documentation that their prejudices are false, but I had made that documentation as accessible to readers as I could; and, as the old adage says: “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.”

At another site where my article appeared, a reader commented “Do you honestly think that Russia will allow nuclear weapons to [be] placed on Finnish soil? It would strike those facilities with conventional weapons during construction.” I replied: “NATO’s section 5 means that NATO will strike back. That would be conventional war between Russia and NATO. Whichever side will then be LOSING that conventional war, will then proceed to blitz-nuclear attack the opposite side. You think that this sequence of events ought to be acceptable to Russia. I do not. So I proposed a possible way to prevent it.” To that, a different reader replied: “NATO’s section 5 gives the members the option of coming to the defense, it does not obligate them to do so.” To that, I replied: “What you said is CLEARLY false. Read this: LINK

It says ‘Collective defence means that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies.’ EACH member has obligated itself to then retaliate.”

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The reader-comments continued in that same reality-denial vein, and seemed to me to be all based upon optimistic assumptions which might well be false and result in a nuclear WW III.

What was disappointing to me was that none of the reader-comments responded to my article’s basic question, which was: Why hasn’t Russia offered Finland (and Sweden — but that’s farther away from Moscow) and any other present or prospective NATO-member-nation, the win-win deal that my article had proposed?

Russia has downplayed the enormous danger that Finland’s joining NATO presents to Russia.

Basically: subsequent events have been confirming the analysis that I headlined on 9 May 2022, “Apparent Poor Planning by Putin of the Invasion of Ukraine”.

What this goes back to is Putin’s persistent refusal to state clearly to the Russian people, and to the rest of the world, that the reason for his invading Ukraine wasn’t really ethnic or cultural (some supposed mutual affinity between Ukrainians and Russians), which he often confusingly referred-to (as-if it might have been ‘why’ Russia invaded), but instead was purely geostrategic — it’s the proximity to Russia’s command-center: it is the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis in reverse. Whereas Cuba is 1,331 miles away from Washington DC and the missile-flight time to DC would have been around 30 minutes, the distance in Ukraine’s case to Moscow is only 300 miles or 5 minutes; and, now, in the case of Finland, it is only 507 miles and 7 minutes.

With Finland in NATO, Biden will have gotten what Obama had grabbed Ukraine back in 2014 in order to supply: a possible way for America to blitz-nuke Russia’s central command center too fast for Russia to be able to launch its retaliatory arsenal. America will have won its war against Russia in the battlefields of Ukraine, by getting NATO to expand to Finland instead of to Ukraine. Finland presents almost as big a danger to Russians as Ukraine does. If Putin had not prematurely launched his invasion of Ukraine but instead waited for Ukraine to launch first an all-out invasion against Donbass, and THEN invaded Ukraine, in response to that, then Finns and Swedes would have interpreted that as defensive instead of aggressive and thus not have sought membership in NATO, and Putin would then have won, instead of (as he now is by Finland’s now joining NATO) lost, America’s war against Russia in the battlefields of Ukraine. For America to be able to launch an invasion against The Kremlin from Finland is virtually as dangerous to Russia as to launch it from Ukraine. In fact: now, America could even abandon Ukraine; Biden has no need for it any more. It has served its purpose.

Putin’s handling of this entire matter has been a PR disaster. Russians really are in severe danger from Finland. As I headlined on 3 December 2022, “What ‘Victory’ and ‘Defeat’ Would Mean in Ukraine’s War”, it’s all about “location, location, location” just like the Cuban Missile Crisis was (and like any real estate is); and Russia’s only remaining safe fallback position, the way that things have been heading, is to relocate Russia’s central command away from Moscow — which now is far too near to NATO — into probably Novosibirsk, which is Russia’s third-largest city, and which is located midway between Beijing to the east, and the border of Ukraine to the west. That would position Russia’s central command nearly two thousand miles away from U.S.-and-allied territory.

Maybe it’s now too late for Putin to make any such offer to Finland as I have suggested; but, still, he must give it a try. And, if that offer then gets rejected, Russia will need to relocate its central Government, probably to Novosibirsk. What other reasonable option would Russia then even have? Moscow will soon be far too near to NATO. An alternative must be found, and implemented.

Investigative historian Eric Zuesse’s new book, AMERICA’S EMPIRE OF EVIL: Hitler’s Posthumous Victory, and Why the Social Sciences Need to Change, is about how America took over the world after World War II in order to enslave it to U.S.-and-allied billionaires. Their cartels extract the world’s wealth by control of not only their ‘news’ media but the social ‘sciences’ — duping the public.

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The Saint

Terrible article. One of Zuesse’s worst and that is a low bar. Like a confused stream of consciousness, punctuated by the overuse of red bold and italics, that ultimately went nowhere.

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Johny cash

Shut your dirty disease ridden mouth u scum lord mr know it all suck some ukro cock suka.
Do u know what brush your teeth means

grazyfinn

Finland is not my coyntry any more. Period.

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Adam Kafei

More likely time to step up information gathering in NATO military and political centres, early warning and surveilance systems while setting up a contingency command somewhere deep in siberia, maybe have a high speed lift and shuttle system installed at the Kremlin for rapid evacuation of important persons.

If America has the ability they claim to identify any missile launch anywhere on the planet at a moment’s notice, there’s no reason Russia can’t develop the same capability if they haven’t already… Certainly I would have given how America is.

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Icarus Tanović

instead waited for Ukraine to launch first an all-out invasion against Donbass, and THEN invaded Ukraine, in response to that, then Finns and Swedes would have interpreted that as defensive instead of aggressive and thus not have sought membership in NATO…
If you teally think so, you are rather naive one. People in those countries F and S doesn’t choose for them selves. A president of F country is an american puppet and does whatever they wish, a stupid little whore (and I’m not making this up) and any eventual demonstration against F country in H city joining the nato will be choked in blood and protesters would be deemed as terrorist/dead russian agent/intelligence. So america choose what is best for f and any other country. Not many are left with sovereignty, almost all but become slave to america and theirs evil, psycho policy of playing a god on the Earth.

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Icarus Tanović

So you think that so called Russian invasion to Ukrotardia country was futile? You haven’t shown any realistic evidence to confirm that.
It was,,and Russian government new that just matter of time when Turkey will do yes to F country to join nato. Because Turkey is NOT trustworthy country. It is ridicule that America pays fat for dredging to do all sorts of crimes from Germany to Bosnia to Greece to Syria. (Case of Dženan Memić). They are rapist, savage turkomans that are in their substance a sort of a gypsy degenerate nation without any radical national feeling.
So, this is rather pathetic attempt by America to distract Russia by semi-transparent country that doesn’t even have decent army finland. It is theirs desperate cry because they are LOOSING in Ukrotardia.
Go take chill-pill, you are visible in distress.

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Cromwell

Yes i could never understand why Russia is even talking to Turkey,they are double dealers.

CentralAsianStudies

Regardless, they would have sought to join NATO even if Ukraine invaded Russian Territory or launched attacks against Russia in any way as the west would still blame Russia. The end result would be the same. Interestingly though if Russia starts using Latin America with China ss their future alliance sites the same could be done. Remember, Mexico is a wild card in the end. Mexico isn’t exactly friendly with the US. A reminder that for decades the US has harmed the Mexican economy, aided the creation of drug gangs and helped various political organizations dominate the landscape. The Mexican people know this and aren’t too happy with it. Just saying, one shouldn’t discount Chinese and Russian diplomatic pressure in the years to come. If the US puts nukes in Finland or Norway, you can count of Russia putting them into space, or withing other areas close to the US.

Icarus Tanović

Right next to the American border at Barings sea, to that little island. No need for supersonic fancy missiles, no fancy things only 55 batteries of D 30s, and they can do shit, they can do none. Also in Cuba, Venezuela, Peru, Bolivia, Chile.

Cromwell

Well we don’t know what the people in Finland think about it,its been decided by the whore who is president and her puppets,there have been no problems between Russia and Finland since the end of WW2 almost 80 years ago,now they want to be an enemy of Russia again,do they never learn?

Ojhnny Zepp

Finland didnt join by referendum that shows its a nato coup

Icarus Tanović

Urho Kekkonen was a smart guy.

Christopher

The Finns go to the polls to elect a new government any day now. I wonder how fixed the result will be. Oy vey.

sad

As I stated here many times, the problem is that nobody in Finland knows that Ukrainian-Russians live in Donbass. Media giving the impression that Russia invaded Ukraine, for no reason.

President of Finland is not puppet, he is openly supported NATO long before presidency. But no one here seriously believed that Finland would join NATO before 2022. NATO had no support. For example, the majority of people in Finland still think that Ukrainians lived in Crimea and Russia took it over. It is not known here that Crimea is inhabited exclusively by ethnic Russians. Years of lies do their job.

But still, it has now turned out that the NATO decision was made in secret from the people already in 2014, at the same time that Ukraine was planned to become a NATO member.

Icarus Tanović

He is also a puppet. That little whore she is a prime minister is also a little hunter bidens prostitute.

sad

Yes, SHE is in many people opinion in here too.

Today is the election and hopefully will be eliminated. At least according to predictions.

Erik Nielsen

Russia is all talk and dummy weapons.

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Icarus Tanović

Dummy weapons-deadly wepons.

Edgar Zetar

Bad article. Nothing that Russia wasnt prepared to deal on… This is a new Iron Courtain in NATO, the European front is secure now so USA could move back to Asia, to try to contain China using the Quad. USA is playing a very dangerous game and I guess it is because its Order and Hegemony is falling apart Worldwide. After Arab Spring USA showed to the world that Skull and Bones Inc are just a Military Tyrant who wont retreat anymore from now on, and USA could easily use any of his puppet countries has cannon fodder if they needed to, just like they did in Ukraine. The Liberal Radical Democratic Order in the Civil World or Civil Domain just is a strategy to weaken all countries from the inside, creating civil unrest and chaos while their Hard Institutions could advance their preplanned Agenda to own “naive” countries and enslaved them to their “democratic” International Institutions… The Masters of the Universe and their Western Order.

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sad

The US ruined its chances in Asia by confusing Europe. They threatened India with sanctions, which bought S-400 systems. India laughed in USA’s face, “you can’t intimidate with sanctions”.

The countries of Oceania replaced Europe with China as the most important trading partner. 600 million people went. It all started when the USA started confiscating the property of Russian citizens: Ships, houses, etc. In Asia, it was found to be risky to do business with the USA and the West..

Why is the US in a panic? The Russian ruble recovered within a few months after the conflict began. A large part of the world’s land wealth, oil, gas, wood, metals, is located in Russia….

sad

….Russia, China, India, Oceania countries, Brazil… Axel has moved there. The World’s resources and population live in those countries.

The West has strangled itself into isolation Resources are scarce. Idiot politicians would rather sit on the US bandwagon than be neutral. However, the USA has made sure that no one can be neutral in this situation.

But the fault is in the propaganda, very few know where the conflict really started. In Europe, it has been dark since 2014 that ethnic Ukrainians live in Eastern Ukraine at all – If you knew, you wouldn’t support Ukraine. The secon video is great: https://www.southfront.org/making-history-with-meat-ramparts-cest-bakhmut/

JGarbo

The famed NATO Art.5 doesn’t *mandate* retaliation against an aggressor, but only consultations, ie “we’ll get back to you”, especially in Russia’s case, where NATO would be in hiding…

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Psionists slaves of America

So. Latvia is like 400 miles, but Ukraine is like 200 miles from Moscow and that’s a no, no.

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Alain

“whereas Russia isn’t in position to place its nukes on America’s border near its brain-center Washington DC.” Are you kidding ? Ever heard of submarines ?

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CentralAsianStudies

Submarines are a good tool. But they aren’t always the best in terms of capacity. A submarine is only so good as long as it’s location is unknown. In any case if you’re suing subs to launch, it’s already too late. Nukes are already exchanged and this is secondary or immediate followup strikes.

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Stephan Williams

Yeah…that stuck out to me too. Russia has the largest and quietest fleet of submarines on the planet and the fastest missiles that apparently cannot be stopped. The author is losing it.

TomB.

yes, but apart from that, what for is russia still waiting for?
lets build nuclear missile silos in cuba and venecuela and arm the with a few nukes.
that would be the right medicine for the whole western and us mafia.

Hunguy

Russian guarantee about anything worths exactly as much as the Budapest Memorandum does, in which Russia guaranteed to never attack / invade / you_name_it the Ukraine in return for abandoning their nuclear military power. There is no sane person on Earth who would give a penny for any Russian “guarantee”. Alas.

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Stephan Williams

Can you tell me what you get out of proving how dishonest your are by posting crap that NEVER passes the smell test?

Do you think informed people take you seriously? No, of course you don’t. So why bother?

Alz

The guarantee was based on a sane elected govt not controlled by foreign entities, as I assume at the time they weren’t. Today’s zelensky govt is anti anything to do with Russia, and ready to accept any offering from foreign govts to make things worse, I.E. ESCALATE. INSANE.

Cromwell

That was before Ukraine decided to be a bitch of the US Reich.

Darius

To some degree I agree with you.
The trouble began though earlier , with Gorbatchov’s naivity , ignorance and simply stupidity , to allow the dissolution of the Sovjet Union without international treaty for security for all Russians , who lived in all the republics. There should be no Ukraine , Estonia , Latvia , Kazakhstan etc, which persecute Russians in their countries. The federal status , minority rights and a possible peaceful foreign policy towards Russia should have been ruled 1990 and not 2020.

Stephan Williams

Zuesse tried too hard to appear intelligent and well informed in this article.

He failed miserably at both.

What a pile of POO!

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Sage

Nuclear weapons are a hoax. Directed energy weapons are real. The Venetian Black Nobility run ONE government for the whole world. Govern yourself accordingly. Masonic Oligarchy is the reality.

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Cromwell

Try telling the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

mikael

WTF is this, Finland Mofo, was attacked by the Bolshevik scums, period, and I know, because my family owned large lands in what was then Finland (kola penninsula) confirmed it was our tribes land, by Ivan 3 Vasileyvich, and we stil have the 500 year old original document.
And the rest just gott blurry.
Lord have mercy, what we have to endure of drivel. I have been curteous, out of respect, but please, piss on us and I will hit back, I swear I will, with no mercy.

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Alz

Who were the Bolshevik scums? Definitely were not Russian. Who was Bolshevik Tito? Definitely not the Croatian they write about, but this is the world history written by the narrator- a jigsaw of ill fitting pieces that people recite at school, written by the types who aim to pervert and manipulate humanity for their ill gotten gains. It’s the wider global picture.

Raptar Driver

Tito was a Jew from Odessa.

Rightiswrong

Finland gained independence from the Soviets, it was Russia under the Tsars. Before that it was part of Sweden. Any 500 year lease would place it within Swedish rule.

sad

You get to fight alone. Everyone I’ve talked to in Finland will turn on their heels and march to the West if war breaks out.

Few people today are willing to die for political leaders. Not me at least. I do not support the current political line at all. Defending land and fields is at least as stupid. A nation is people, not land.

A good leader resigns so that no one has to die. Zelenskyi is the worst example of a leader ever. His resignation would have saved hundreds of thousands from death.

Christopher

Finland obviously thinks that by following the US mantra it’ll get all of Karelia back.

sad

In fact, it has been calculated that the construction of Karelia’s infrastructure would be so expensive that Finland would not be able to afford it.

Second, no one has relations with Karelia anymore. The children of those who lived there have already died, why would anyone want forests and lakes when everyone is already moving to cities in Finland?

Karelia came and went. The majority think that they will first live in the EU and only then in Finland. Free movement is the new norm. A small minority supports leaving the EU, even though economists have shown that the EU has become expensive and that leaving the EU is profitable. However, that won’t happen, the EU won’t let anyone leave after Britain.

TomB.

bullshit article all over.
but true, russia made giant mistakes in the last at least 30 years.
first, why invade ukraine and be now exposed world wide as the big bad agressor, instead of waiting for an ukro attack on donbas and/or krimea and after that respond with the full iron fist, sending in all 2,5 million active and reservist soldiers, and not only laughable 150.000 troops in the beginning.
second, the so calles missile shield bases in romania and polan, officially against iranian missiles (what a fcking joke) are prooven able to install also attack cruise missiles.
from the beginning russia should have put an ultimatum, defense missiles only allowed there or strike them with iskender, kinshal or kalibr to dust.
sadly putin iwas and is still a soft hand under too much western and zio khasarian oligarch influence.

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Georgeous George

Strategically much better preempting the attack of the Ukronazis, than waiting for it. Whatever Russia is doing it is daemonized anyway by the Western presstitutes.

sad

The problem is that nobody in Europe knows that Ukrainian-Russians live in Donbass. Giving the impression that Russia invaded Ukraine, for no reason.

For example, the majority of people in Finland still think that Ukrainians lived in Crimea and Russia took it over. It is not known here that Crimea is inhabited exclusively by ethnic Russians. Years of lies do their job.

If people knew the truth, the whole war support and arms aid would end there, and people would no longer have to die because of the USA’s policy of world conquest.

Mark

This makes no sense. It’s all based on the premise that Finland joining NATO fundamentally changes things because it’s so close to Moscow – 507 miles.

But NATO is already less than 400 miles from Moscow, in the Baltics. The Ukraine joining would have put NATO within 300 miles.

Did Zuesse forget about the Baltics? Understandable, I suppose, but it renders the whole of this piece irrelevant.

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Rightiswrong

Zuesse also discounts the Russian statement of Dec 2021 when they demanded NATO bases go back to 1991 status.
That’s a demand Russia will enforce, either by sending troops to dismantle NATO infrastructure, or forcing the Poles, Slovak, Balts, Romanians to either dismantle while remaining NATO members, or by enforcing neutrality on them.
Either way, Russia will not have US forward bases anywhere further than where they were in 1991.
Who’s going to stop them?

Cop

So we won. What, not yet?! How come? Our soldiers are cheap and nobody misses them. And time is on our side.

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Darius

Oh my god! Haven’t we won yet? Is there a single Russian out there? Why this? Are we really lost ? oh weh

Cromwell

First thing Russia should do is break diplomatic relations with Finland,next they should issue a warning that if the American try installing nuclear weapons in Finland they WILL be taken out,simple as that.

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sad

Smarter people are already talking about the post-conflict period in Finland, but I don’t think the USA will allow European countries to start trading with Russia.

As I stated, nuclear missiles are not coming and the bases were also on the prohibited list in the application.

And as I stated, 80% of Finns believe media propaganda, and they have no information about the actual situation. In Finland, nothing has been said about Ukrainian-Russians since 2014. Here, they are not known to be in the Donbass region at all.

Darius

If the world survives all these tensions , there will be definitely a post-conflict period in EU , Russia and especially between Finnland and Russia. I have no doubt about it. Let’s pray , there will be not too much damage until then.

AVMaster

I dont think it really matters…

xiden is gonna launch nukes before the next elections regardless of anything…

Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock….

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Gordana

That is rubbish about Russia to wait for defense against Ukraine so Finland and Sweden would see it as russian defense. Ukraine killing and torturing russians in Ukraine since 2014. Finland wants to have option to attack Russia and this is it. Nobody is stupid here not see what in reality is going on.

What ever Russia would decide or not decide to do, NATO’s and USA’s only goal is own world and Russia to submit to that goal. And Russia and all people in the world know this. Same plans west has for every country which does not submit to one world USA’s government tyranny rule.

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Gordana

Few months ago I was reading article ( can’t recall the article ) that Russia plans to move Moscow to Siberia, I guess command HQ of nukes would be moved too.

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Gordana

And since it is coming USA presidental election in 2024, Biden’s and deep state’s only goal is to remove all internal opponents and external obstacles. Biden is just the lapdog working as an crisis actor for deep state, as all other are from NATO and it’s allies and from EU.

Ojhnny Zepp

Finland didnt join my referendum, but by coup.

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stay cool

moving a gov center outside the capital city is not a big problem.
in practice it could already be done long time a go leaving the public buildings in the city.

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José Valente

Será erro meu, ou a Finlândia terá declarado que, mesmo na qualidade de membro, nunca permitiria a colocação de armas nucleares no seu território?

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Raptar Driver

What Russia should do is immediately invade Finland.

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Darius

just calm down , a week internet abstinence please

Raptar Driver

Sure I see just like with you having a week off of brain activity.

Viktor

“They know that Finland’s joining NATO will present a mortal threat to the national security of the Russian people.”

Not really. Americans are already in Estonia and Norway, so what the difference? They can attack Russia from the north as well (submarines) so Finland change nothing… a few minutes difference perhaps. Ukraine is different, Russia is exposed from attack from the south. Also, Kazakhstan would be another major problem. But Finland (and Sweden) are not so important, both countries are ultra-‘liberal’ and 100% pro-globalist. And what Russia can actually do to prevent them joining NATO? Declare war? Yes, Finland capitulated and accepted neutrality, but then USSR disappeared long time ago. USSR allowed Germany to unite, they allow independent Ukraine and Baltic, so enforcing Finland neutrality is impossible.

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Safety Patriot

Are you smoking crack like Hunter?
Russia has a launch to target hit time in 3 minutes using hypersonic missile that can be launched from the stealth subs deployed around the east and west coast of the US and tsunami nukes that can wipe out the coasts of Europe and the US.
If Biden deploys nukes to Finland Russia, under its current updated nuclear doctrine can again in 3 minutes or less wipe western decision making centers out because the doctrine alloys for a preemptive strike.
The time from launch to hit is in the Russians favor so your article is rubbish.
Moscow is updating its missile defense shield and the Yars nuclear system are on maneuvers.
Finland and Sweden joining NATO establishes those countries as unfriendly as the rest of the worlds nations head to multipolarity.
By the way every Western Aircraft Carrier is a floating fixed target ready for a hypersonic kiss.
Go back to smoking crack with Hunter

sad

There are no missiles coming here, this is what the politicians have “promised”.

And there shouldn’t be bases here, that was a condition for the NATO application.

Intelligence stations are already being talked about in the elections (the elections are about to start)