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On October 21st, Azerbaijan reported that it downed 3 Armenian UAVs.
The two UAVs were destroyed in the Fizuli direction, and one in the Terter direction of the front.
It also said that more equipment was either destroyed or simply abandoned by the Armenian side on the battlefield, releasing the video above to prove the claims.
According to Azerbaijan’s MoD, fighting continues along the entire front, and their forces have the upper hand, controlling the operation.
During the day on October 21 and on the night of October 22, the combat operations in the Aghdere-Aghdam, Fizuli-Jabrayil, and Zangilan-Gubadli directions continued with varying intensity.
The Armenian armed forces fired at Azerbaijan’s positions using small arms, mortars, and howitzers.
“As a result of the operation carried out by the Azerbaijan Army in the Gubadli direction, the defending units of the Armenian Armed Forces were forced to withdraw from important high grounds and a number of positions, losing personnel and military vehicles,” the MoD claimed.
On the morning of October 22nd, the Armenian forces began shelling Azerbaijani positions, no casualties have been reported.
Also, on October 22 in the morning, the territory of Azerbaijan was exposed to ballistic missiles fired using an operational-tactical missile complex from the territory Armenia.
“The enemy fired 3 missiles in the direction of the Siyazan region at about 07.00, 2 missiles in the direction of the Gabala region, and 1 missile in the direction of the Kurdamir region at about 09.00.”
The report was immediately rebuffed:
“The statement of the Azerbaijani side that Armenia launched ballistic missiles in the direction of Gabala and Kurdamir is complete nonsense, a cynical lie. No missiles were fired from the territory of the Republic of Armenia towards Azerbaijan,” Armenian Ministry of Defense spokesperson Shushan Stepanyan said.
Around the same time, according to the Armenian side, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces were firing artillery in the direction of Martuni and surrounding villages. There is no information about injuries or damages.
The situation in the Artsakh-Azerbaijani contact line remained relatively stable but tense during the night. Artillery duels continued in some areas.
At the moment, localised battles are taking place in all sectors of the front line. In addition to fierce battles, the enemy also carried out subversive incursions in the central direction, which were successfully prevented by the Defence Army.
“Forces of the Defence Army continue to foil the adversary’s intentions of changing the tactical situation in their favour, and continue to fulfill the combat task set before them,” the Armenian MoD reported.
In addition to the evidence of the Artsakh Ministry of Defense about the use of the Czech artillery installation DANA (152-mm) by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces during the hostilities, there is also video footage of these installations on the front line by Azerbaijani journalists.
Additionally, a new recording was released purportedly proving the presence of Syrian mercenaries in Nagorno-Karabakh.
"Take us out of this swamp," a mercenary fighting for the Azerbaijani army says in a call to someone in #Turkey. This recording is further evidence of the presence of mercenaries recruited from Syria by #Azerbaijan and the direct involvement of #Turkey #ArmeniaAgainstTerrorism pic.twitter.com/hq8mDszM4P
— Armenian Unified Infocenter (@ArmenianUnified) October 22, 2020
Turkey expressed its readiness to officially enter the conflict, as per Vice President Fuat Oktay:
“If Baku turns to us, we are ready to send troops to Azerbaijan. Russia failed to resolve the crisis in Artsakh, and the problem cannot be solved without Turkey.”
Separately, Armenian President Armen Sarkissian told NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg that a peaceful settlement in Nagorno-Karabakh is possible if the alliance member Turkey stops interfering in the conflict.
In Moscow, Armenian Minister of Foreign Affairs Zohrap Mnatsakanyan met with Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov.
The key discussed points included:
- As a continuation of the telephone conversations of Russian President Vladimir Putin with the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan and the proceedings on the cessation of hostilities in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict with the mediation of Russia, RA Minister for Foreign Affairs Zohrab Mnatsakanyan met with Russian Minister for Foreign Affairs Minister Sergei Lavrov on October 21 in Moscow.
- The agenda of the meeting included issues related to the operational situation in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and the implementation of the ceasefire agreements.
- Having highly appreciated the efforts of Russia and specifically of President Putin in obtaining agreements on a ceasefire, Minister Mnatsakanyan stated that the agreements reached remain on paper due to the treacherous manner of Azerbaijan and its steps aimed at destabilizing the situation.
- Minister Mnatsakanyan reaffirmed Armenia’s commitment to the obligations taken by Armenia in the joint Moscow ceasefire statements of 10th and 17th of October. He highlighted as a top priority the establishment of a stable truce backed by verification mechanisms.
Essentially, Armenia appears to be hoping for Russia to step in more assertively, even though in recent years it’s policy has been almost exclusively anti-Russian.
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From my analysis Russia in this situation is teaching armenia a lesson. Their anti-Russian policy and politics seem to have bitten them in the ass badly.
russia is posing as the good cop and turkey is posing as the bad cop…iran poses as being cautious…extension of the astana process…all in line…pashinyan will go…simple as that…
russia is posing as the good cop and turkey is posing as the bad cop…iran poses as being cautious…extension of the astana process…all in one line…pashinyan will go…simple as that…
Russia is teaching Armenia a lesson for 25 years by not allowing them to recignize Nagorno independence.
Russia and putin don’t care about armenia, cause they can’t earn anything with them. Putin is just a snake
Unresolved NK conflict was a good excuse for Russia to exercise influence in south Caucasus. But current real-politics created a need to solve it in order to continue projecting influence. And importance of Azerbaijan over Armenia is very obvious statistically on all fields. Hence we are in this obvious conclusion of processes.
Russia knows what happened in past:
https://twitter.com/karabaghtruths/status/1319030636078944260
Reuters; Dec 1, 1993
Title: “At least 1 million people from #Azerbaijan fleeing ethnic war face a hard winter, battling cold, hunger, and disease in refugee camps near border with #Iran” #Karabakh #Karabagh
RecordID: 1018316, 1024505
Why Putin and the Jewish oligarchs are TRAITORS to Russia? Read and learn: https://anonhq.com/checkmate-central-bank-russia/
WHY do Putin and the perfidious Russians (just like the Jewish Bolsheviks themselves sold Russian oil for American dollars even at the height of the Cold War!) STILL sell Russian oil for the fake and ILLEGAL MONEY (According to Article 1, Section 10 of the US Constitution) the Americans create out of thin air for FREE, thereby GIVING AWAY Russian oil and propping up America’s main weapon, the PETRODOLLAR? Even the RUSSIAN PRAVDA says it: https://www.pravdareport.com/russia/129285-central_bank_russian_economy/
WHY the gold bought by the Russian central bank does not belong to the Russian people? Because the Russian central bank belongs to the Rothschilds and takes its orders from the City of London. This was WRITTEN into the Russian Constitution under Yeltsin and Putin NEVER changed it and NEVER nationalized the Russian central bank despite having ostensibly dictatorial powers.
Yeltsin CHOSE Putin as his successor because Yeltsin thought Putin was an idiot (a “cipher” as Yeltsin put it):
http://johnhelmer.net/the-love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name-the-secret-in-the-clinton-yeltsin-papers-which-the-kremlin-spokesman-regrets-to-see-exposed-is-the-love-of-submission/
their are so many things wrong with this…its not even funny…
Irrelevant…
Current desperate situation now requires to bark at Putin…. Forgot how you got into this situation in the first place?
Expose the traitorous crypto-Jew Putin and the perfidious Russians for the benefit and enlightenment of the human race so that they don’t ever make the mistake of trusting Russians.
That’s what you call “barking,” Khazarian troll.
Khazarian you mean Dagestani?:)))) Aue uff uff. Dog barks caravan moves on. Bye bye Armenians in Karabakh, see you 100 years
Why you bigots always blame jews for your own shortcomings ?
Why do you goatfuckers bend over for the Jews, they’ve been fucking your sisters for generations.
Even your colour has become yellower, lol.
Yeltsin stayed in power just because Russia armed forces saved him after the coup of 1993..when he failed in Chechenia and Yugoslavia…he was expelled and Putin came to power!…like the US Deep State…the Russian armed forces and the military-industrial complex are the true power in the shadow which allow business and economic ties with the enemies of Russian military interest like they are Turkey and Israel but sometimes they make decisions…in the past NK war Russian military ( not Yeltsin) threated Turkey if Turkish troops entered in Armenia or when Russian forces were deployed in Pristina airport..recently we have seen the destruction of an entire Turkish Hawk AD complex and Koral EWS in Al Wattiya ( Tripoli) beside an Hangar with TB2 drones in Misrata air base…airstrikes carried out with SU-24&MIG 29M…also in Syria we have seen the destruction of a Turkish-CIA post with cruise missile in North Aleppo 2016 , one Turkish post in Al Bad 2016, another in Idlib, airstrikes vs SDF in Deir Ezzor to avoid these US backed militia occupy the City after ISIS was expelled…also airstrikes vs US backed militia near Al Tanf when they tried to advance towards East Qalamoun…The deployment of S-300 which force Israel to fly low and have to launch expensive cruise missile from Israel or Lebanon coast which are unable to destroy the Al Kiswah bunkers complex…I dont have doubts that we will see next movements in coming days..
Armenians have their problems.
That huge American “embassy” which is a spy nest in Armenia is an abomination.
Sending armor and troops in counterattack in the open lowlands was suicidal.
However Russians have stabbed Armenians in the back.
Just like the Turks are operating terror drones in Artsakh and murdering Armenians with impunity, the Russians MUST HAVE USED THEIR KRASHUKA-4 ELECTRONIC WARFARE ANTI-DRONE SYSTEM to DEFEND the Armenians.
FACTUALLY,
The Russians helped the Azeris and the Turks to massacre Armenians instead.
What a bunch of perfidious traitorous animals, these Russians are.
Even if Pashinyan goes and gets replaced with the “Karabagh Clan,” Armenians will never forget Russians’ betrayal and the hundreds of young Armenian men who died in vain.
The world will not forget either.
No civilized human being can be NOT against the genocidal Muslim terrorists of Turkey and Azerbaijan.
Russia owes you NOTHING. At first go away from occupied Azery’s territories, then negotiations might be possible.
Sure,
Jew’s slave.
Slav = slave
Greek = Doulos (slave)
Isnt that the reason you call yrslves Hellenes ?
LOL
Well , why you are waiting everything from Russians and bad mouthing them when they dont ?
Why You Greek boys dont help Armenia militarily ? What is holding you back ?
Why dont you send some planes , soldiers and some military equipment to help Armenia ?
Now please curse Greek government and tell them that they are also a ”bunch of perfidious traitorous animals” LOL . Come one we are waiting.
As I said,
Turk,
You are an abomination.
No reply , eh ?
So Russia is a traitor when they dont help Armenians , but you can not tell anything to your beloved Greece who is only watching from a distance.
What makes you such a hypocrite , the Bible stuck in yr ass ?
How many bibles did your Mom take up her ass?
Divisions done it, Army, Navy and Aircorp. lol
Armenia could stop all drones attacks just with SU-30SM in constant flights over NK searching drones which most of them fly at hight alttitude!…even one drone was shot down by a SU-30 when 4 of them tried to attack Yerevan,,,then accord Armenian press 2 where shot down, later another one near Yerevan and the last one( which was lost) was Intercepted by a SU-30 and shot down!…the problem is that NK underestimated AZ forces and commited military error ( lack of shields, Bunkers, to build fake models like Serbian army).. while Pashinyan trusted in west and dont send Armenian troops to NK when he had to attack Nahkchivan to force AZ to stop offensive!
It’s my understanding the Russians are impeding the Armenians usage of the SU-30s.
That the Armenians, including the supposedly ant-Russian Pashinyan, aren’t able to recognize Artsakh also reeks of Russian blackmail.
To hell with the Russians. They are worse than the Americans.
You are wrong!..it is Pashinyan who dont want to be involved in a war vs Turkey..because Turkey is a NATO member and for a Pro Western president to attack Turkey soil is to attack a NATO member which can ask for support!…with SU 30 over west NK all drones would be intercepted and moreover SU-30 with KH.31 air to ground missile would smashed AZ troops…but in that case Armenia will face a war vs Turkey ( a NATO member) while Russia surely would send weapons in support of Armenia like they do in Syria ( Idlib, Aleppo) in support of SAA vs Turkish army and backed terrorist!
Incorrect.
Attacking Azeri troops or destroying terror drones over NK would not result in casus belli involving Turkey or NATO.
Those SU-30s are being held back by the Russians who are telling the Armenians that spare parts will not be delivered and certain codes will be deactivated precluding usage of the aircraft.
But,
There is also the prevarications of Pashinyan and the fear and reticence of the Armenians of attacking Azeri forces directly hence technically declaring war on Azerbaijan which already is attacking them.
I would not hold back in their place, throwing everything I had at the Azeris at once to at least maim them to diminish their fighting ability.
But I’m not an Armenian fighting in Armenia or Artsakh. It’s their lives and their lands. They decide. Not me.
If Armenians use SU 30 means no fly zone for drones in NK beside SU 30 with KH 31 missile and guide bomb can destroy one by one AZ military assets inside NK…then Turkish would have to intervene to save the Face of Aliyev!…in that case a war between Armenia vs Turkey ( a NATO member)…whre Iskander missile can hit Turkey soil and even a Bases where NATO troops are deployed ( Spanish AD Patriot missile, USA Forces…among others).
” Because the Russian central bank belongs to the Rothschilds and takes its orders from the City of London. This was WRITTEN into the Russian Constitution under Yeltsin and Putin NEVER changed it and NEVER nationalized the Russian central bank despite having ostensibly dictatorial powers.”
Everytime I think I have seen yr most stupid post , you surprise me with another one.
Turk,
Your eyes got straight because you raped and enslaved millions of Armenian and other Christian women.
When you look in the mirror, you are looking at Armenian eyes which hate you.
Your very own eyes, your genes, your flesh, hate you.
Just like the Greek and Armenian lands you are desecrating presently.
Turk,
You are an abomination.
Bigot ,
Your beloved Europe , raped slaved , leeched more than a billion of people of this world , Russians raped almost all Germany , Germans raped and killed you Greeks during WWII , while Germans and Russians cleansed , raped an important part of Poland during 1940’s.
You stupidity is not related with rape or murders, your anger stems from some Christians being dominated by some Muslims which is out of the original pattern you believe , that wrecks you .
If you are trying to say that we are also Greeks and Armenians , which is nothing but a classical BS , let me give you a secret , now we are more than you and we dont like you at all.
Lands do not belong to any races , people come and go – Thats the pattern from the beginning of the history , get used to it.
And Bigot ,
You are a fanatic poisoned by religious dogmas , blind hatred and prejudices. You are a sickness that needs to be cleansed.
Turk,
You are an abomination.
No argument ? Nothing is written in Bible ?
The bible has thousands of words in it you goat fucker, of course you can’t read it it, illiterate goat fucker that you are.
You need a child molestor like Mohamed to read it for you, he tells you what to do, wear and say.
A puppet master and his illiterate horde of goatfuckers, lol.
Europe, Conquerer of Turks.
Fixed that for you Abdull.
Your cowardly lot only attack little Shite villages, we took continents you muck savage.
Read it carefully, ara.
https://mirrorspectator.com/2019/09/12/tension-in-armenian-russian-relations/
Soros doesn’t take away from the fact that the Russians are in bed with the Azeris and the Turks.
Russians betrayed Armenians and also their Slav brothers in Donbass and Serbia.
Betrayed? Armenians were those who thought USA and France will help them and wanted Russia out of Armenia. The Russian TV channels are still banned in Armenia, BTW.
But history of 19th century repeats. More than century ago stupid Armenians thought that Brits will help them if they will revolt against Turkey, but Brits stayed away from massacre of the idiots. Brits wanted unrest in Turkey to make it weaker and nobody in London even planned to help Armenians from the beginning. Sadly it was Russia which helped Armenians.
Now situation is repeating. A lot of money was invested to make Armenians to believe they are the chosen ones. While in reality the situation was the same. Americans wanted a conflict at the borders of their enemies and Armenia was a perfect candidate. Conflict with Armenia means instability in vicinity of Russia, Iran and Turkey. Kinda triplet. And Washington never planned to help Armenians in their bloody chase for imaginary greatness.
But this time I hope my government won’t be so foolish. At least I expect Russia will obtain from the situation much more than will spend. Russia must spend its resources for supporting ungrateful narcissistic morons only if the morons will pay back ten times more.
Abomination.
The reality you have to face sooner or later. Nobody can live in dreams forever.
Just because you say so?
Not me but facts. Anyway Kremlin won’t act in the way I said but in a softer and silent way, I think. At my point of view the trend will be like I described. Sorry if it was too insulting for you.
You can imagine what I think of someone who claims his opinions are facts.
What you are naming opinion? The fact Soros invested millions of dollars in anti Russian activists in Armenia? The fact Pashinyan put pro western people in key offices in Armenia? The fact Pashinyan asking Russia for help while Russian TV channels are banned in Armenia? These are just pieces of the puzzle you’re able to assemble in case you have basic intellect.
I will be the last person on earth defending Soros and his ilk importing rapefugees into Europe to rape our women and kill our children.
But,
All those things you mentioned Russia brought it on herself and its former soviet republics by not dealing with them honestly and equitably. Russia has been ruled by Frankist Bolsheviks and subsersive Jewish interests for over a century now. Research what the Frankist are and you will understand the reason behind Russia’s erratic and perfidious behavior. The Frankist Jews believe that evil is good; that the greatest amount of suffering is necessary to attain salvation.
Returning to facts on the ground, the Armenians cannot forget how they were betrayed by the Russians in the recent past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_pogrom
The Russians allowed the civilian Azeri population to rape, torture and massacre Armenians living in Azerbaijan and only intervened later to assert its control. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians were ethnically cleansed from their homes in Azerbaijan between 1988 and 1990.
When you add the fact that the Russians under Frankist Bolshevik rule gave away Armenian lands to the Turks and HELPED and EQUIPPED the Turkish army to defeat and massacre the remaining Christian population of Anatolia and the Caucuses, no-one can blaim the Armenians for distrusting Russia and seeking alliances elsewhere.
In fact, Russia leaves them no choice: if Armenians cannot find a way out, they will forever be stifled and oppressed due to Russia’s collaboration with Turkey and Azerbaijan to keep Armenia down to the level of a subsistence existence itself only allowed as a strategic check, for the purposes of erecting a wall between Turkey and Azerbaijan.
The world can see that Russia betrays ALL its allies, the Syrians, the Persians, the Armenians, and especially the Slavic brothers of Serbia.
As for the Pashinyan and Soros misadventure. The Turks have a saying: He who falls into the sea will even cling to a serpent out of desperation.
For example, the Russians allowed the Azeris to
I will be the last person on earth defending Soros and his ilk importing rapefugees into Europe to rape our women and kill our children.
But,
All those things you mentioned Russia brought it on herself and its former soviet republics by not dealing with them honestly and equitably. Russia has been ruled by Frankist Bolsheviks and subversive Jewish interests for over a century now. Research what the Frankist are and you will understand the reason behind Russia’s erratic and perfidious behavior. The Frankist Jews believe that evil is good; that the greatest amount of suffering is necessary to attain salvation.
Returning to facts on the ground, the Armenians cannot forget how they were betrayed by the Russians in the recent past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
The Russians allowed the civilian Azeri population to rape, torture and massacre Armenians living in Azerbaijan and only intervened later to assert their control. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians were ethnically cleansed from their homes in Azerbaijan between 1988 and 1990.
When you add the fact that the Russians under Frankist Bolshevik rule gave away Armenian lands to the Turks and HELPED and EQUIPPED the Turkish army to defeat and massacre the remaining Christian population of Anatolia and the Caucuses, no-one can blaim the Armenians for distrusting Russia and seeking alliances elsewhere.
In fact, Russia leaves them no choice: if Armenians cannot find a way out, they will forever be landlocked, suffocated and oppressed due to Russia’s collaboration with Turkey and Azerbaijan to keep Armenia down to the level of a subsistence existence itself only allowed as a strategic check, for the purposes of erecting a wall between Turkey and Azerbaijan.
The world can see that Russia betrays ALL its allies, the Syrians, the Persians, the Armenians, and especially the Slavic brothers of Serbia.
As for the Pashinyan and Soros misadventure. The Turks have a saying: He who falls into the sea will even latch on to a serpent out of desperation.
Stop, stop, stop. Armenians had no land in 19th century and those were Russians who gathered Armenians on the lands captured from Persia. So any claims of Armenians now on any land on the planet Earth are nothing but Armenian wet dreams.
As for your pathetic clueless speech, let’s look at the facts. There was a status quo for Karabakh since last war. Azerbaijan even lost some of its lands which were not populated with Armenians. Russia made this peace treaty possible. What we had after? Even the most pro Russian elites in Armenia promoted hardcore anti Russian nationalism. Your elites never stopped their romance with the USA, which is geopolitical adversary of Russia. What kind of allies you are if being Russian allies you make strong friendly relations with Russia enemy?
So when you decided that you are so great and gorgeous so you can rule the world, you brought to power your Soros whore Pashinyan. Since that moment of comprehensive Armenian stupidity current war started. Because nobody of your neighbors wanted USA base in the vicinity. What Azerbaijan did? They started the procurement of new armaments and teaching their personnel to fight in modern wars. What Armenians did? Instead of capable veterans, pro western nerds were put in high ranks of army. Instead of making stronger alliance with Russia Armenians using Soros money started lectures for Russian opposition how to make revolution in Russia.
And now you are complaining why Russia doesn’t help you? Fluffy jackass! Our alliance with you was 3 decades story of your constant betrayal. Now it’s time for to pay the bills.
I’m not telling you to do anything.
Have a nice day.
No more calling facts “opinion” is the first step to accept the reality. Good luck buddy. If Azeris really took Lachin under the fire control you will need a lot of luck.
Like our Khazarian ancestors horse archers our UAVs are devastating armenians, soon armos will be encircled on those mountains thx to our flaking movements on both flanks, thats classic Turkic-Nomadic Turan tactic that we are using since our Scythian era. May Jehovah bless sons of Khazaria.
Omg, if SF is not taking the side of azeris in this military agression against a self determinated armenian state, I dont know what else can be!
The Zionist and NATO agenda is to turn corrupt Azerbaijan into a terrorist haven like Ukraine and stage destabilization attempts against Russia and Iran. However, their plans will not work out.
SF is not on either side. They just make coverage.
If you don’t like the message don’t blame the messenger.
Blah blah…you confuse “the messenger” with the postman…in our case “the messenger” aka SF delivers only the approved messages which obviously are biased…
Confirmation Bias is a strong force. I can suggest few Armenian sources for you. I am pretty sure you will like the messages there.
You keep crying, Artskin baby pig….
you are such a fucking retarded muslim dickhead…you are an exact replica of your suicidal, , illiterate, retarded fuck, sex offender and pedofile guru who died like a dog poisoned by a jewish woman…how pathetic!!…and you worship that “human” garbage??!!…
“If Baku turns to us, we are ready to send troops to Azerbaijan. Russia failed to resolve the crisis in Artsakh, and the problem cannot be solved without Turkey.”
A cold war raging between America/Israel and Iran. Looks like Turkey and Russia are in a cold war too. I foresee a nuclear-armed Turkey soon. Unlike Iran, Turkey will make no secret if it decides to pursue nukes. And should Russia sufficiently threaten Turkey, no amount of UN sanctions threat will force Turkey to back down from developing nukes. A good development as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and U.A.E also get their own nukes. One day all these weapons will fall in the hands of true patriotic Muslims. I don’t know if that is what Russia wants, but its current violent attempts to repress the MB will eventually lead to this.
The statement by Turkish vice president above is aimed at Russia. Azerbaijan will only request help from Turkey if Russia steps in on the side of Armenia. It’s very possible the reason Russia hasn’t intervened militarily is due to the fear of drawing Turkey into the fight. Whatever is the case, it’s time for Turkey to seriously consider nukes. Bullies like Russia only understands the language of strength. A nuclear-armed Turkey will be a blessing for the Muslim world. Muslims must get their own nukes – thousands of it.
LOL turkey is nothing, russia can crush turkey like a bug. in syria turkey is a cheeky rat and the russian bear is playing with it
Yeah, that’s why Idlib has fallen to Russian control
turkey cannot handle being raped in syria, libya and azerbaijan at the same time, it has a limit of 4 dicks in its mouth at once
Yeah, even if the Azerbaijani war ends now, Baku has gained plenty of territory. If it ends with a total defeat for Armenia, still Baku wins. Turkey is not deploying in Armenia unless Russia enters on the side of Azerbaijan. If both Turkey and Russia do not intervene, Azerbaijan still wins. Turkey wins as well without wasting resources or troops. This is a well-calculated move by Erdogan. Russia will be risking a lot diplomatically and politically to help a troublesome ally as Armenia. Russia has excellent relations with Baku and wants to keep it that way.
Why is a Somali goat herder living in US and trolling for his Zionist masters so interested in Armenia?
You are talking with a die-hard pro-Shariah Sunni.
Living in the west, no less on Christian charity. It is funny all you starving monkeys move to the west and become “die-hard Sunni” headchoppers.
My identity only exists in your imagination. There are millions of pro-Shariah Muslims around the world. And these are the groups you’ll never be able to defeat.
Then go live in Muslim shitholes as Trump called them.
Of course, there are no Chrisitian shitholes.
I like where I live and I’m not so crazy over materialism.
If you believe that TR is not getting her war expenses from Libya and Azarbaijan , you are living in a la la land.
Rent a mob, lol.
Did you get issued with boots this time?
Or still wearing your sandals you made at home, lol.
A peasant Turkish army, an RPG is a WMD to those fools, lol.
If USA allows Turkey to get nuclear, for sure they will help Iran to do so.
turkey can only go nuclear with help from china or north korea. the turkish people are not smart enough and do not have enough money or resources
How about Pakistan? Turkey is way more advanced than Pakis.
china gave them help but you are wrong indians, pakis, chinse have very high iqs
I worked with all of them, Phillipinos are smarter.
You are talking about 1940 s technology , not even mentioning that even North Korea found the money and sources. It is also not a secret that father of Pakistani A-bomb Abdul Qadeer Khan offered help many times , which was refused by TR governments various times due to Nuclear Proliferation treaty.
Fyg , ” Many of the components used by Pakistan for its nuclear program were smuggled via Turkey. In 1981, the US State Department, in a secret cable to its embassy in Ankara, had asked the Turkish government to end its secret shipments of nuclear weapon-making equipment to Pakistan. According to the cable, Turkish companies were re-routing American-made electric equipment, known as inverters, from Europe to Pakistan. Inverters transform electrical current to charge batteries and operate instruments and are used in nuclear plants.”
Hope this will change very soon and then the real fun will begin.
the day turkey gets nukes is the day they get nuked
BS
Turkey, who begged Russia to build them a nuclear power station, as they only have the tech to tie two horses together.
Tell me the name of the Turk who designed anything outside of a hoe?
LOL
Iran doesn’t need any help to get nukes. It’s very likely that Iran is already nuclear-armed, may a small number. Iran’s continuous denial is also aimed at preventing other Sunni countries developing nukes if they find out Iran has them.
Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E, Egypt all getting nukes is a good thing for the Muslim world. At least with nuclear weapons, even the Saudis will not fear their masters in Washington. Iran will learn not to push its Sunni neighbors around. Turkey will contain Russia even more. One day, genuine Muslims will take over power in these countries and they’ll have all the weapons they need to defend Muslim lands from bullies like Russia.
Imagine the MB taking over a nuclear-armed Saudi Arabia. Do you think America will risk intervening militarily to topple the MB?
Turkey is a Zionist puppet as recent events have confirmed.You Somalis need to climb down from the trees and buy newspapers.
Regardless of what you think, if Russia keeps bullying Turkey at every turn, expect Erdogan to one day suddenly announce that Turkey is building nukes.
Turkey is a dead broke basket case and a slave to the US and NATO and can’t even take a leak without their approval and its days are numbered. Russia and Iran are far stronger and closing ranks.
Russian Navy Seen Escorting Iranian Tankers Bound for Syria
We’ll see what Russia does when the U.S under Donald Trump starts bombing Iran’s militias in the Middle East.
Dream on in your madrassa.
We’ll see if Trump wins.
This muslims are speaking about taking over since 100years and still they scared about 7millions jews. When they will take back palestina? Never
We have a record of defeating invaders much stronger than Israel. Read about the crusades and the mongol wars. Hundred years is even a small time-frame compared to what we’ve faced before.
Palestinian Arabs and Arabs in general do not pose any threat to high tech power, Israel. They don’t have any chance against Israeli military and intelligence.
Palestinian destiny depends solely on good will of Israel. Palestinians have to forget about including East Jerusalem in a possible state because it’s not going to happen. Control of Jerusalem and its surroundings is a matter of security for Israel and they won’t let it go. Israel unlike any of its Arab neighbors is well organized and compact society. They know what they want and what they don’t want. Israel will not cease to exist by a God’s will. In seventy years of existence Israel achieved way more than Arab world in general. I’m not taking sides just presenting the facts.
It is not the first time Muslims lost Jerusalem. The last time was to the crusaders who were far more powerful than Israel. But when God decreed their defeat at the hands of the Muslims, they had to leave or die.
I have no doubt that the Palestinians will be freed. All these showy peace deals Israel is signing with Arab monarchies won’t last unless Israel takes concrete steps to give the Palestinians their country. Israel can have lasting peace with Muslims only if it stops oppressing Palestine. Iran got so much clout in the Middle East by using Israel’s oppression of Palestinians as an excuse thereby convincing many Muslims including the Sunnis.
It’s either Israel fairly solves the Palestinian issue or this same problems will bring an end to Israel. Even without Iran, Israel still faces great challenge not only from the Middle East, but from Muslims all over the world. Those who will defeat Israel may not even come from the Middle East. Arabs are less than 10% of the global Muslim population. So this is not a struggle between Israel and the Arabs. It’s Israel vs Muslims.
An easy solution that’ll satisfy most Muslims is a two-state solution. Without that, forget anything peace.
Probably it will bring peace in the region, both Iran and Turkey should have nukes. As for Arabian bedouins, I don’t know, there is a chance they will use against each other. Wouldn’t be a shame if Mecca becomes radioactive?
Arab headchoppers should not be allowed having nukes. Those states are to immature and unstable.
True, like africans
“As for Arabian bedouins, I don’t know, there is a chance they will use against each other” No Muslim country – no matter how corrupt, will use nukes against another. I have doubt about this. The only ones i rule out are the Shiites of Iran who demonstrated the willingness to kill hundreds of thousands of Sunnis to advance their agenda.
Actually is the opposite, Iran is a civilised nation, the Arabs are trybes/clans with artificial borders, set by Europeans. They funded ISIS women and children beheaders, they would be like monkeys with grenades.
Iran is much more dangerous because its a calculative monster. Also, the history of Shiites show they are very likely to use nukes unless if they fear a retaliation. I have no doubt Arabs will not use nukes against one another no matter how dumb their leaders seem to be presently. If they ever use it, it’ll be in retaliation of an attack from Iran. Nuclear weapons will scare Iran off.
Since so many Sunnis were enthusiastic ISIS supporters, with millions of twitter and facebook accounts mostly from Arabian peninsula, reposting ISIS propaga, while ISIS was bragging with war crimes and promissing to kill all Shias, Christians, Hindus, whatever… ISIS was nice to have nukes too.
ISIS, America, Iran, Russia are all anti-Sunni in practice even if they proclaim to be on our side verbally. What they stand for is quite different from what Islam preaches.
And don’t forget, ISIS is an American creation. Don’t you believe this barefaced lie the media keeps repeating about “THE FIGHT AGAINST ISIS”.
America is not at war with ISIS. Has never really been at war with ISIS.
America was not at war with ISIS, kurds are and kurds are supported by USA. Isis is a creation of Wahabits from Arabian peninsula, to fight against Iran influence in Iraq and Syria.
How do you explain America’s FAKE bombing of ISIS in 2015? Or have you forgotten already? The real reason Russia entered the fight.
Was not really fake, Russia dis it better but Americans armed the Kurds to the teeth and kursd fought ISIS from house to house.
The Kurds recently released hundreds of ISIS members and supporter from prison in Syria. Are you aware of that or do you want a link as proof?
I am aware, since they didn’t receive funds to feed them. What do you want to prove with that?
I want to prove that they cooperate with ISIS far more than they disagree.
A bully like Russia? I suppose you characterize Erdo as a peace loving leader. He’s only involved in how many war fronts? He is eventually going to learn the same lesson that others learned to their dismay about too many fronts at once. Turkeys main strength is Erdos big mouth and his ability to lie, which is facilitated by Turkish peoples desire to be lied to. His part in the play is to generate chaos for the west, while looking as if he is standing up to all those ‘bullies’, even NATO. Russia crippled him and his mighty machine with economics, that’s how tough he is. How long has Russia and Iran been operating successfully under similar disadvantages and yet succeed? When Erdo is done with Turkey, it will once again publicly be a faithful lapdog to the Zionists, as it is even now, as it continues to push the anti Iranian/Russian Zionist agenda. It’s patently clear they are the true targets of this chaos and violence, regardless what the so-called press and politicians blather about. Turkey has already entered the conflict, as usual in a perfidious way…the same way they have continually crept into Syria, ignoring their own words of Syrian sovereignty. I see them doing the same here and to continue to lie about it, as is their habit. The aim is to bring instability and war to the Russian/Iranian borders, while attempting to instigate more ‘color revolutions’ and civil unrest. When Erdo is done, so will be the Turkish economy as Turkey is not economically able to pursue a continued war footing…only with help from enemies such as the west can he keep it up for very long. When is the US going to implement those disastrous sanctions they’ve been threatening for how long now?
“When is the US going to implement those disastrous sanctions they’ve been threatening for how long now?” This last statement undermines your argument that Turkey is a US puppet. America is already sanction Turkey, but gradually. They stopped exports of jet engines and prevented European companies from participating in Turkey’s stealth jet program. There are other sanctions which I can’t recall now, but you’ll find more with a simple Google search.
I’ve noticed a desperate attempt by Russian trolls to label Erdogan a Western puppet, maybe to derail the immense support he has from Muslims around the world. But you aren’t fooling anyone. Even local Muslims around me who can’t read and write in English love Erdogan and believe that what he’s doing is what every Muslim president should do. World-class Muslim scholars like Zakir Naik, Khalid Yasin, Bilal Philips, and many others hold Erdogan’s Turkey in a positive light. And these have tens millions of Sunni followers around the world. Zakir Naik is a very vocal supporter of Erdogan, and Zakir is the most popular Islamic scholar of our time. His TV channel, Peace TV, has some 200 million viewers worldwide. So save your anti-Erdogan propaganda for the Iranians and some evil Shiites.
Erdogan must handle the West tactfully because his predecessors already sold Turkey to the West. He’s only trying to get Turkey’s independence back, and Russia isn’t going to stop that.
Russia keeps trying to prop-up anti-Muslim but pro-Russian dictators in the Syria, Libya, and even Egypt. Russia doesn’t want democracy in any of these countries cos it knows the patriotic Muslims will win. It almost succeeded in Libya, until Turkey shove its foot in the door. In Syria also, Turkey is preventing a forcible takeover of Idlib in an attempt to persuade Assad to agree to a democratic Syria where citizens choose their leader.
In Azerbaijan, Turkey wants the Azeris to take back their land, which the Christian-dominated world bodies recognize as Azerbaijan’s territory.
So far, Turkey has not deployed troops in Azerbaijan. But if Russia joins the war on the side of Armenia, Turkey will be obliged to support Azerbaijan militarily and overtly. Something about the Turkish military seems to give Erdogan immense confidence. Maybe the Turkish military is a lot stronger than we think.
If you check, those sanctions have not yet been fully instituted and won’t be until next year, if at all. The red line was to be if he turned on the S400s, well, he just ran a test and fired them, crickets here in the US. Turkey is also still producing F-35 parts and will for another 1-2 years. Strange that Turkeys ‘independence’ requires stealing Syrian oil (another lie?) while working with certain Kurds (US/Israel), entering into Libyan conflict and propping up Qattar, another sponsor of ISIS. Your bigoted BS about ‘evil Shiites’ is noted. His killing of other Muslims and support of western agendas is quite indicative of his morality as well as that of his supporters. What brand of Islam is ISIS primarily? How many US scholars that back Trump would you like quoted? Mr Moral Majority in the US backed GW all the way, so what does that prove? The name of his school is Liberty University, but he backed the PA,TSA and DHS. Do those that back Gulen feel the same about Erdo? Or are they not Turks? How did justice serve them? What Erdo is going to learn is the same thing Napoleon learned. Next the Turkish economy will be the first to die…didn’t the Turkish lira just drop like a rock yesterday? Starting wars when your economy is in the tank isn’t smart, especially if you can’t print dollars.
Your attempt to paint Erdogan as a Western puppet fools only Iranian trolls like you. To start with, I’m posting a link to one of your Shiite propaganda website (PressTV) where you can read an article about the recent test of the S400. Then tell me if it sounds like a master and servant affair between Turkey and the U.S.
What many of you trolls don’t understand is that Erdogan inherited a country that was already sold to the West. NATO was established four years before Erdogan was born. The Turkish military was infested with U.S servants so that whenever a civilian government steps out of turn with the West, the military will overthrow it – just like what happened in Egypt. It was tried in Turkey too, but failed.
You trolls want Erdogan to fix in one day a problem that has accumulated over decades. That’s not how things are done. Erdogan will whine Turkey from the West gradually – not overnight. This ensures the Turks don’t feel the worst of the economic pains had Erdogan tried an abrupt about turn. all U.S allies in the Gulf and beyond are against Turkey. Europe opposes Turkey too. Look at the currency wars. Why such enmity? I don’t know why you Iranians hate Erdogan so much. The only logical explanation to me is because Erdogan is a devoted Sunni leader with global popularity. Evil Iranian Shiites always despise a devoted Sunni leader anywhere that might be. What exactly has Erdogan or Turkey done to Iran that warrants this kind of hatred. This is exactly the reason I feel no pity for Iranians neither will I pray for them against the mounting challenges they face.
Goodluck with trying to frame Erdogan as an American puppet. But anyone with a slightest idea of what’s happening in the Middle East will know immediately that you’re lying. I wonder what you hope to achieve by making statements that almost every follower of Middle East events know it’s a lie.
Russia wouldn’t help Armenia in Nagorno even if Armenia had pro Russian gov.
Armenia was 25 years under Russian influence and 2 years under West influence.
Rusdia didn’t alliw Armenia to recognize Nagorno for 25 years…
It is not just Russia. Armenia knows it will be forever doomed to the West if it recognizes N-K to be independent. West wont’ allow it.
Armenia was hedging two bets. And now they lost both.
West is not in position to allow or not to allow, even if their current PM is pro-West, Armenia is economically tied of Russia and has Russian soldiers on its teritory.
So even if the West doesn’t recognise Nagorno, it wouldn’t harm Armenia.
Russia was officially oposing N-K recognition, from the very beginning.
So Armenia didn’t recognise N-K to not upset Russia.
Russia can very easy stop this conflict by announcing departure for 2 mln Azeris working in Russia. But this war is very convenient for Russia. Any end of the conflict when USA influence evaporates from the region is a profitable result. Even if all the Armenians will be genocided in Caucasus.
Agree, Russia and Tuekey work together on most fronts, only their proxies fight with each other.
Because Putin decided to give them a lesson and asked Erdogan to do solve the problem. Win-win for them right now. But karma is a bitch, next time Turkish drones will hit Donbas losers.
That was and still is bad leadership by armenians. Lost too much, should kept her soldiers away from flat ground and wait at the mountains. Too much dead and I don’t know if any military equipment are left. If armenia lose karabakh to the isis turks they should hang panshiyan or whatever his name is
Pashiyan days are numbered…
Yes, most Armenians are angry at his lack of leadership, but in a time of peril have closed ranks, but he will not survive.
That was the plan between Putin and Erdogan from the beginning, to change Armenia leadership.
Yes, i think also
But Lachin is close to the flat South. This is exactly what Azerbaijan is doing. Those Artskins are just good at making baby pigs. They will flee and do not want to be burnt by the drones.
Winter is coming and dragon is coming. Run, run and run…
War is expensive they said, can’t afford to replace lost equipment they said. Apparently lost equipment is replacing itself, with surplus.
Not only land, but also equipment as a bonus. What kind of war is this? Can I get in?
Ironically Armenian people will keep paying for credits used to buy this equipment, while Azerbaijan will be using it.
Who knows ? sounds little bit crazy but maybe armenias president sold his people in karabakh. Call for total war and everybody should help and get involved but won’t recognize artasakh and also, will his son take a gun in his hands?
Sold his people to whom?
He meant betray. From his language betray literally translates as sold.
Putin should hire you as translator. Putin: I got a watch with great diamonds from Lev Leviev. RD: He meant Russia has the greatest diamonds.
I wish. He pays well I heard. But gotta be exposed to dangerous information….
Hmmmmm, thats a tough choice. Feel like Sophie
Sold for $ or yes better word to use betray. Would be some good acting
Let’s make up things as we speak.
Nobody needs these soviet reliques, their place is in the same graveyards together with Lenin statues.
Elbit will upgrade them and make new babes, have no worries.
I think everybody should focus on game winners which are drones.
Drones are support, main load is still on ground troops. That applies to any conflict. Not that I want to take credit away from drones in this conflict, in fact they have done a terrific job. But Nagorno Karabkh this pure demonstration of 21st century warfare was done in combination of several army groups.
I disagree, in this war, ground troops play secondary role. Like in Kosovo 1999, Serbia had to withdraw after NATO hit everything from the sky so no troops met on the ground. Ofcourse this warfare works only for small areas currently, but it’s evolving fast.
Wrong!..NATO caused less damage on ground troops as it was recognize in NATO HQ after the war.. due the camuflage, models to confuse Intel drones&satellite, Shelters, Caves, dispersión…etc….Serbian was destroyed by NATO in civilian infrastructure ( power station, refinery, brigde..etc..)
That true too, but it doesn’t contradict what I said. Serbian troops couldn’t do much either.
NATO boots not being on the ground doesn’t mean there were no boots on the ground. Albanian forces were doing that job in Kosovo. Hence, again it was the ground troops doing the main job.
We were talking about ground troops playing a secondary role, not total inexistence, remember?
What is your criteria on designating a primary and secondary role?
Who make the most kills.
Artillery
True that.
NATO intervened in Kosovo when Albanian terrorists of KLA were on the brink of defeat.
that wasn’t the point, but sure
https://twitter.com/karabaghtruths/status/1319030636078944260
Reuters; Dec 1, 1993
Title: “At least 1 million people from #Azerbaijan fleeing ethnic war face a hard winter, battling cold, hunger, and disease in refugee camps near border with #Iran” #Karabakh #Karabagh
RecordID: 1018316, 1024505
Azerbaijan Army entered to Gulabird (Kilabird) village, which is 34kms from the Lachin corridor by the road
https://youtu.be/own48iVuRpM
Azerbaijan Army entered to Gulabird (Kilabird) village, which is 34kms from the Lachin corridor by the road
Lachin will be in fire control very soon.
https://youtu.be/own48iVuRpM
If Lachin is closed is a very time to hang Pashinyan, of course if Armenians have any IQ bigger than 0.
Armenians are so stubborn people. Very bad leadership with Parshinyan.
The full grown gypsy looking leader before Pashinyyan was sharp. We all must admit to that. But yes this Pashinyan is useless.
I urge all parties to refrain from violence and enter into a dilaogue with each other and respect proceedings on the cessation of hostilities in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, for the sake of peace, but also for freedom.
This is my rights of free speech referring to my rights in the Constitution to tell everybody about my opinion.
Putin?
There are dangerous reminders from history of large powers stepping in to fulfill treaty obligations. This regional conflict has the potential to escalate to international confrontation, linked disputes another warning sign. The two main theaters, Asia and Europe, could be triggered into global conflagration by any one of multiple flashpoints.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/
Sorry to say, Armenians accepted soros’ color revolution, now comes the bill.. Reality is catching back in armenia, same fate suspended above eu ‘countries’