Turkey, US Endorses Roadmap On ‘Manbij Issue’ In Northern Syria

there is not such a thing as “stealth”, but a difficult to detect craft under certain circumstances. And what if the circumstances change? You shut it down easier.

Agreed which is why I refer to design expectations which is the expected degree of difficulty in detection under varying conditions. Stealth is the term (over)used because it is much sexier to use by the media.

My guess is the F-35 has fallen well short of expectations, although not on the cost overruns that please Lockheed Martin stock holders.

There is such thing as stealth. Stealthy aircraft is much harder to detect,especially when they are cruising without afterburners or when their active radars are turned off.
For example most common Russian radar that’s installed in their later designs like Su-35 are able to detect things up to 400km. However same radar provides enough resolution to detect F-35’s RCS at 100-110 km if F-35 turn it’s aferburner,fire a weapon or turn on it’s active radar.
So yes,it doesn’t make plane completely “invisible” obviously but it greatly decreases the enemy’s capability of detecting you and engaging you.
I for one would want to fly in a stealthy aircraft rather than fast one.
I’m no fan of either Russia or NATO but you are being unfair to engineering of
F-35 probably just because you don’t like US government.

I think you have captured the mechanics well and the back and forth arguments are perhaps wordplay.

The engineering and design of the aircraft is to make harder to detect by radar to varying degrees. I would refer to this attribute as ‘low observable’ technology and is passive. However, engineering and technology go hand in hand with pilot actions that reflect their training and skills that can capitalize on the technology, or if poorly trained, inexperienced, fail to use the technology to advantage.

Stealth is not passive as it usually refers to active measures to evade detection by any means including visual as well as radar. Going back to WWII, the Japanese purposely engaged enemy aircraft with the sun directly behind them as early stealth tactic. Other tactics include skimming the ocean surface, radar off, radio silence, avoid use of afterburners. Low observable technology gives pilots an advantage as it enhances the likelihood of success using stealth tactics.

This shows the importance of pilot training and experience over technology. Poor pilots will waste the technological advantages while elite pilots will make optimal use. For this reason, Russian pilots in Syria are gaining extremely valuable experience that is a must if Russia’s closing the tech gap is to be meaningful.

Yes,many people makes fun of it because of the term “stealth”,it’s a daring expression.
In my opinion which is not subjective,kinematics and pilot skill are not as important as it was before,say WW2. Because most of the interface is automated nowdays. I mean how hard it can be to fire a missile when you have a radar lock on an enemy plane right? And I say kinematics are not as important anymore because air to air combat is being fought at medium to long range in modern warfare. I guess you would rarely see a close range dogfight these days incase of an escalation. So what’s the point of investing in superb maneuverability when you can enage at enemy from far away safely right? Sure a maneuverable plane is always good but not as important anymore. Better avionics wins as it was proven many times in history. For example in many occasions,western block made Israeli jets beaten Soviet made jets even though Soviet made jets was much faster and agile. Not everything is about turn rate or climb rate anymore,that’s a thing of past.
However kinematics naturally still matters a bit when it comes to evading incoming missiles but the thing is when you try to evade missile what you need is raw speed instead of maneuverability,since you can’t make sharp turns or extreme maneuvers in high speeds kinematics again loses it’s value more. I think defending/trying to evade a missile is the part that depends on pilot skill/training most
of course as well as the reliability of countermeasure systems,like chaffs,flares or gliding tail decoys etc.
What do you think? You think kinematics,dogfighting ability still matters?

Good points. To answer your question, I would look at the emphasis the US puts into pilot training and experience. It seems it still matters to the US for mission success. The Russians seem to attach importance to the skills gained in Syria. But note that pilot skill applies broadly and this is shown nicely in the movie ‘By the Dawns Early Light’. The female B-52 pilot saves the plane twice thanks to skill and experience.

I do agree with you that kinematics in long range engagements have become less important. Kinematics in short (visual) or dogfighting is also less important due to less likely to happen – this is why air craft carries are nucleus of fleet instead of battleships after World War Two. Planes take the battle to the enemy far away beyond range of battleship guns.

The problem is changing technology. Missiles that cannot be stopped and cheap relative to the target they destroy, such as a tank or air craft carrier change the game. Tech could make kinematics important again and this may also be a reason US continues to invest in pilot skills broadly.

I see, you know nothing about this theme. Russia has only several radars capable to register stealth planes from large distance. Other countries have none. Also is not able o cover all territory or borderline.

You are full of it.
You can’t possibly know that… What Russia has or has not to fight stealth.
That is top secret stuff.
What is known though is that;
S-400 are declared to be capable to take out “stealth” targets.
And those missile systems are on sale with those capabilities
“Stealth” is just lower visibility signature for X-band radars and nothing else.
Every recent Russian jet -fighter has IRST and everybody knows that infra red signature can make visible EVERY jet that flays today including F-22.
So if they can “see” them they can shoot them down.

Nothing is “top priority” for F-35 ….since F-35 is not being jet that excels in anything.
They are “not built for speed” and they are “not built for anything else” but they still build them…..
They are “invisible” until they are not…..and once “visible” they’ll try to run away… only if they can….
So if SU-35’s comes their way and “see” them through his L-band radar or IRST they are not only “sitting ducks” but the “dead ducks” as well.

Yes. I have watched simulations of SU-35 vs. F-35 and they go much like you say. I point out in a post below that the F-35 has likely fallen short of expectations with the only expectation being exceeded is the cost. Yes they are being built and will continue to be built until the next new expensive toy comes along. These are the ways of the military industrial complex.

Who cares.

you have Turk voting you up so you are from some Turkish shit hole voting for yourself

The link that you post for the lying Jew media is full of disinfo about Assad attacking his own people with chemical weapons and Israel not being driven out of Syrian airspace. It proves nothing.

Not “the lying Jew media” but his “Jew media”

Wrong! Rt was started by Russian Jew. Still is owned by Russian Jews. Investigate then come and tell me. When have you seen anti- israeli article on Rt? True that Rt is Russia putin mouthpiece but never anti israeli rhetoric.

OK
I just echo what i have been told that Russian government stand behind RT
I have read or watched personally once when it was mentioned that Russian government pays the bills.

Do you have any source for your claim?
” Investigate then come and tell me”
Investigate where?!
I have no source to give you.
Have no proves that Russian government is paying bills…
But do YOU have one for your “truth” that it is Jewish RT?!

“When have you seen anti- Israeli article on Rt?”
Israel doesn’t have sanctions on Russia like all other NATO countries.
I haven’t seen even anti-US article on RT let alone anti-Israel !

So do you have any proof ? I don’t have any.

Put rt into a search and you will see who first set it up. Look at who runs the comments software of rt and you will see it is based in Israel . You will not see an antiamerican article from rt in a long time as the us have threatened to throw them out of america if they dont shut up. That is why i rarely watch it. It is now very much compromised.

Israel not having sanctions on israel only helps my thesis That Rt is compromised and becoming more and more zionist-friendly.

“Look at who runs the comments software”
I’ve seen it it already it is firm with 2 addresses Tel Aviv Israel and other New York.
Still you have no proves of Jewish ownership of RT.

“thesis” like yours I read every day but nobody gives anything concrete as proof so I am tired of “thesis”.
Russian official politics was never anti-Israel even long before Syria so no reason for RT to do different.

But you might be right about US blackmail..

Here I have “investigated” 2 seconds:
RT is a Russian international television network funded by the Russian government

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=RT+owned+by+Jews&ia=about

Now it is your turn (official source ONLY please)

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