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Official Syrian sources denied reports that attack helicopters of the Israeli Air Force struck the 90th Brigade of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) south of Quneitra on April 29.
This statement came after several news agencies claimed that the Israeli Air Force conducted an airstrike on Syrian army targets in southern Quneitra after a rocket fell in the Israeli territory coming from the area of Syria.
Local sources talked about un usual movement of Israeli helicopters and fighter jets along the Syrian-Israeli front, the sources also confirmed the deployment of Israeli tanks on advance position the front.
Earlier this week, Israeli warplanes had launched five missiles on an alleged Hezbollah arms depot at the Damascus International Airport. The Israeli Air Defense Forces also used a Patriot missile against a reconnaissance drone after it had penetrated the Israeli airspace from Syria.
It is believed that the Israeli escalation on the Syrian front may be related to a widely expected SAA operation that will be aimed at securing some areas in the countryside of Quneitra.
Israel opposes a possible expansion of the influence of Hezbollah and pro-iranian militias operating in Syria along the Israeli-Syrian border.
Meanhile, a pro-Israeli media campaign against the Iranian-Syrian-Russian alliance expanded in the media. Right now, the mainstream media is actively dissiminating reports that Israeli warplanes destroyed a Russian S-300 missile defense system in January, 2017.
Business Insider’s report (April 27, 2017):
In Air Forces Monthly, Thomas Newdick summarized a report from Georges Malbrunot at the French newspaper Le Figaro that said Israel took its F-35s out on a combat mission one month after getting them from the US.
Malbrunot reported that on January 12, Israeli F-35s took out a Russian-made S-300 air defense system around Syrian President Bashar Assad’s palace in Damascus and a Russian-made Pantsir-S1 mobile surface-to-air missile system set for delivery to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
“Israel opposes a possible expansion of the influence of Hezbollah and
pro-iranian militias operating in Syria along the Israeli-Syrian border.” -In other words Israel opposes the defeat of fundamentalist Takfiri Jihadists in Syria as it POSSIBLY leaves Israel facing Hezbollah in a future war. As a European nationalist facing a migrant tsunami of Sunni Jihadists, all I can say is f**k **f Israel. What will you do when France is a majority Muslim country with nuclear weapons due to your support of Takfiris? Still find some reason to blame Indo-Europeans for each and every perceived hardship of Jewry and Zionism? Grow up and stop using the Holocaust victims as a human shield.
I agree except that France is not majority muslim.
That would be nonsense.
Otherwise, they try to blame Indoeuropeans for
everythings and destroy all our virtues – in some
countries these do not even exist any more.
The old traditions, spiritual and otherwise.
Israel has allied itself with saudi arabia so….
And both have now banned abortion, so they can go to hell!
Israel is allied with Saudi Arabia…
Which means Israel is allied with ISIS/Al Quaida/”FSA”/Random terrorist group etc etc etc…
Which means they don’t have to worry about france being taken over by terrorists: Because THEY ARE the ones that will be taking over France….
A cynical alliance doesn’t make them the same, but good attitude.
With this ranting you mean to say……………. what???
Israel opposes the consolidation of an armed militia that has effectivily fought Israel. They have their priorities and they give shit about you or France if anything threatens their existence,
They do not blame anyone for anything, at least not in this article. It seems to me it is you having problems with jews and holocaust.
As a European nationalist (FN, Ukip, AfD?) I wonder why you do not concentrate on what you can do. Demonstrate against the migrant tsunami, not against jews and Israel
Israel has been sharing intelligence information about the various terrorist and Islamic extremist groups with all the Mid-East and African countries for the longest time. The only one that let that become public knowledge was Jordan until Egypt acknowledged that fact then more recently Saudi Arabia.
The IAF has too, for the longest time, been destroying weapon shipments to Hezbollah that have to transit Syrian territory to Lebanon. The Assads always grumbled about those but probably where relieved since those weapons could’ve been used against Lebanese government forces and rival militias if Hezbollah tried to increase their territorial holdings. Assad Sr. had to station troops in the Bekka Valley for quite few years to keep Hezbollah and other factions from fighting over it.
When all this crap broke out in 2011, the IDF warned Syria and all the various militias that any errant bullets, shells, mortar bombs or missiles that land inside Israel and the Golan Heights won’t be tolerated and will bring on a response in kind. Then after the extremists showed up, Israel gave everyone another warning that the IDF would move in in-force to wipe the out the extremists and their allied local militias if they appeared to be gaining control of the border regions or began terrorizing some villages that held relatives of Druze and Arabs that lived in Israel’s portion of the Golan Heights.
Israel and Iran both banned abortion, so I hope they annihilate each other.
Start reading this before even suggesting the F35 is operational, which it isn’t.
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/weapons/2017/f35-continues-to-stumble.html
you did not answer his question
there is no answer – if you think that you can surmise that from public available data, you are wrong – and anybody drawing conclusions from publicly available data actually is.
Besides this, I’d expect people reading news in sites like SF to have long understood that the situations happening in combat scenarios are much more complex than S300 < F35 because it's stealthy and so on.
But again, younger people today have the tendency to generalize what it can't be generalized and viceversa.
Agreed. The answer will not be known until the first F-35 goes head to head with a Russian S-300/400/500. Anything else is propaganda…Although I do have to wonder (tech-wise) after the 36 Tomahawks failed their mission and the 23 that made the target did almost zero in damage. I would tend to give the Russians an edge, based on this. Although not at all conclusive, you can’t ignore that 59 normally very accurate missiles failed an actual attack.
it could also be other things. I won’t totally discount either that somebody in the US chain of command could had ordered a sort of “fake strike”.
There are politicals causes for military events, and in this war, many of those causes are not publicly known.
One could do hypothesis, but convincing himself of something without actually knowing is not a good mistake to do. Better having a vague idea of the overall situation and be able to adjust to possible changes.
The missing 36 might have hit ISIS.
it’s one of the possible scenarios. Another, is that actually they launched 23 missiles and not 59. After all,they did not release a vid showing 59 missiles coming out the ship
You do not seem to understand there is not one F35. There are three F35 versions, for army, for navy and unspecified and all are custom build (assembled) in Fort Worth, Texas,
I am no expert, but it seems to me the capabilities will vary depending upon which version one has.
xD.
I didn’t say you, but some younger people nowadays.
If you want an opinion on the current state of this whole matter, I’d say that Israelis got very butthurt for something that happened during their airstrike near Palmyra last month.
What is known is that they were in such a situation they had to use their newest SAM system (which fell into Jordan, where nobody has said a word about it. Think about what happens if a Russian SAM falls in Finland or in Poland), which in itself speaks about some scenario in which they really could not do anything else.
Since then, they are basically whoring about Syrian and Russian air defences in Syria but take notice – it’s not the military doing that but some civilian / political sources.
It’s very likely that their military does not want to take some credibility hit by officially stating some idiocy, and lets the civilians do that kind of talk.
As for S-300 vs F-35, it’s very difficult that anything will happen to prove anything.
One thing nobody (or very few) write on western technical articles is that S-300 and 400 cannot be engaged by SEAD missiles like older SAMS.
Their attack radar is turned off until a couple of seconds before impact that is – before any evasive maneuver or jamming can be effective. Moreover, when it’s turned on, it won’t give away the position of a launcher, but just a generic area from where it came (which means that HARM missiles aren’t able to track as they need a point target at the least).
To get the point of launch, you need several planes, spaced hundreds of kilometers apart, with a networked triangulating equipment and again – you get the position only 2-3 seconds before missile impact, with the large chance that all the above mentioned planes are already targets for the incoming SAMS.
From what I can gather from the data you provide, I’d say that the above tactics is performed with the left and right aircraft taking out the first and last vehicle of the column (likely also any AA vehicle could occupy those positions) to hinder its movement, while the other attacks along the axis of advance (somehow after the two above). It’s one of some basic ways to strike a formation while it is performing strategic movement (they are in column over a road).
Without data on the attacking planes and the weapons used not much can be ascertained; it’s a low risk approach that takes into consideration the basic principles of dispersion, minimization of defensive fire and maximization of targeting opportunities. The above is correctly obtained through the multi-direction routes of attack, although the airplane causing the most damage is the one that attacks trough the convoy axis. It’s very likely that this plane will make a strafe/rocket run or cluster bomb strike, on targets that have been fixed and identified by the previous strikes.
All in all it’s not a display of anything particularly new, I’d say it’s very likely that you may describing operations by the Syrian air force rather than Russian, which are known to operate at higher altitudes and use longer range weapons
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-01.html
So pretty complex even to assemble all factors let alone analyse that.
thamnks, tomorrow i will read it.
independently upon article (i do not know, what is inside), i thonk, relevant will be only real combat situation
Wrong.
See my earlier comment.
F35 is not yet operative. Fake news
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/first-f-35s-built-outside-of-us-go-operational-in-italy
You should be citing the part where it says that pilots are “training” with it (one single airframe). Also missing on a lot of things like Italy is not Israel, and being a NATO country is integrated in the link-16 network, which would cut some times in regard to operational deployment. Deployment that as any sane person not needing to spread propagandish bullshit knows, won’t happen without at least a small tactical unit having converted to the type (that means pilots, support and technical staff, equipment and some other hundreds of things).
But we got it – somebody has to convince people that the F-35 will beat modern Russian SAMS.
Besides, when people has to pay half of their tax money to buy planes instead of providing schools for their kids and hospitals for their illnesses, they are not gonna be happy knowing that the equipment is the most flawed ever design in the history of modern combat jets
https://translate.google.it/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fit.sputniknews.com%2Fmondo%2F201612123776510-condizioni-meteo-avverse-in-Italia-ritardano-arrivo-in-Israele-prima-coppia-di-caccia-F-35%2F&edit-text=&act=url
yo, I shut you off on this same issue two times already but you don’t seem to relent so for the third time:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/middleeast/israel-f-35-jets/
per IAF admission Israeli F-35 won’t be operational at least for another year since reception
I had read that there is ONE planning software center that maps terrain and threats into the software load of the F-35. I assume this will be shared among allies but it takes 6 months to build the file for a new region.
– on 1 April, Israeli f35 destroyed 3 martian flying saucers…
IL has already 3 operative
No they do not!
Yea they do, although supposedly they are still “in training”.
I beg to differ. The Netherlands has two, yes TWO, F35’s operative.
They are not operational in the sense of combat ready. Far from that.
The USAF is intentionally leaving the impression that their “Initial Operational Capability” has something to with “combat ready”. It doesn’t.
Gilmore (Operational Test & Evaluation of the Department of Defense) detailed the shortcomings of the F35 and expect that Operational in the sense of Combat Ready is still at least 2 years off.
http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2016/pdf/dod/2016f35jsf.pdf
Start at least reading that before talking about F35 being operational.
Those two F35 you are referring to are used for training and evaluation. Even the gun hasn’t been integrated into the fire control system. When the door opens to enable firing the gun, the f35 yaws to the extent of being useless.
I bow to superior knowledge.
One small remark. I responded to operattive, not to combat ready. I can say something about the former, not about the latter.
As far as I know LM builds the system and improves as they go. Since they started producing, impressive assembly line btw, they solve any new problem as it rears its head instead of exhaustingly testing and solving all problems.
Whether this is the best way to go, I cannot tell.
They all wind up doing modifications once test flights commence then even more once the pilots get the OK to push the aircraft to the limits of it’s capabilities.
They could easily have solved these problems secretly or even be making them up. They have every reason to lie about this stuff.
as i know, the US sell ONLY for 2 countries: UK and IL
No! norway have 35 or something ordered
no they do not!
What RUBBISH.
Highly doubt Russians deployed S300 outside their base especially not as far as Damascus. Also hard logistically?
Not such thing happened . If there was attack around Damascus palace you will see far more things happening today . And there is no S 300 system around Damascus palace.
Agree. Another thing I doubt is that no one but Russian crews would be operating S300, even in Damascus. In that case Israel would have killed Russian crew. I doubt that would go silently unnoticed like this without incident.
Exactly, they supposedly attacked s300 around the palace, and not the palace itself? Why would they even place s300 around the palace ?? these MSM idiots are completely clueless… total rubbish.
So you mean that the US and Israel can take out the Presidential palace and Assad anytime they want since he is totally defenseless? Good to know.
For one thing, he is not necessarily there. leaders in war move around in secret.
Propaganda war, I was not on site… Chance for my ass
Israel is a propaganda and poison state. Russia, Hezbollah, Iran and other muslim world is reality. A stupid, idiot person will accept Israeli Zionist propaganda.
Yes, and headaches and soa’s are reality too, even without zionist propaganda
There wasnt strike yesterday . About the second – really MSM ? If some air defense is destroyed in the center of Damascus this cant be hidden and it will be talked for months to come . This is not liek destroying some arm depots
You know MSM derived from Mentals Stream Media. LOL
…is it that the Russian technology is really incapable of standing up to the hype that they have presented to the world. Has anyone ever seen the S-Air Defense System work? …from the Kursk submarine disaster, the Russian bomber being shoot down by Turkey, the Israeli incursions, the latest ship sinking now more breaches – is this all smoke and mirrors on the Russian part …and I guess the Americans/NATO know Russia’s weakness. So they are out savaging the world at will …even to the point where NATO has Russia under a complete blockade, and Putin has done nothing
The problem with Syria is that it borders hostile states – Israel,Jordan,Turkey and guess who control the borders . It is definitely not the goverment . Iraqi is friendly but ISIS controls the border there . And they cant do a lot here – I mean Russia .
Don’t forget, Lebanon is still friendly to Syria.
Part of the fractured state of Lebanon is.
Expo Marker
“…Don’t forget, Lebanon is still friendly to Syria….”
Lebanese are money oriented and the US$ is their King.
Most of Lebanon except Hezbollah and Shia’s do not support Syria
Lebanon had been a major supply route for Terrorists and Weaponry into Syria since 2010 / 2011.
China has money.
yeah stupido, and when i wrote, syria should block jordan border, you react, taht this is not important thing.
i analysed statistically your predictions. hah! there was no significant correlation between your predictions and reality. that means, you hear something in pub and tell as truth. you are only manipulator!
other thing. you should not write in case of syrian army word OUR, because you are bulgarian.
bacause of the SAA is as blind as you and your horde, today practically the americans got close to damascus. see picture
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26bbf36904b4581d4ba8a55d824d30b60d7187753be2f4e15b060e337952917a.jpg
you will be surprised. i know americans, and i was not surprised by tabqa paratrooper action. only wait as saa, and you will see. :(
we will see
saddam had better republican guard ;)
this is much worse:
Breaking News:Maghayir Al-Thawra (former New Syrian Army) have captured Al-Humaymah from ISIS in the Homs Badiyah near T2 Pumping Station
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05494eca49f841a3b6eb277b6517682c6e1c4161a45e547be53f30fe6a9a145d.jpg
LR captain
“…militant forces are 40-45 KM away from Damascus…”
That’s very close to Damascus and the terrorists should have been eliminated a long time ago.
This situation indicates that the Syrian Military is corrupt or incompetent because for terrorists to stay in place means they are supplied with communications, weaponry, food, water, logistics so close to Damascus.
if I had to pick an example of corrupt and inefficient I would not go for the Syrian Army. Much better examples in the commenting section of SF.
John Whitehot
How can “Rebels” or IS stay embedded so close to Damascus?
Supplies are getting through to these terrorists.
Air drops are doubtful as cargo planes can be easily shot down or are being allowed in by the Syrian forces.
because they hide in their shitholes? Rebels are not a regular army, too many people read the syrian map like it’s World War 1. Also there is the small detail that the Syrians are not keen on launching some thousands of tons of explosives all over their cities and infrastructure. If rebels are encircled in enclaves like near Damascus and elsewhere they’ll give up when the strategic situation will get hopeless (and we are getting there albeit slowly).
They are mostly mercenaries from outside Syria that have no desire to die there.
But if the syrians and russians were to raise their operational tempo, you’d be here telling that they have no regard for civilians and commit ruthless warcrimes.
John Whitehot
“…you’d be here telling that they have no regard for civilians…”
Have been monitoring Syria since 2010, from the start the Terrorist Axis, “Moderate Rebels who look and act just like a regular Jihadists” hide behind old men, old women, women and children in built up urban areas.
There is not one single post from my side complaining about civilian casualties.
Russia and Iran have to up the tempo, implement a Battleplan to eliminate the Terrorist Axis.
-“There is not one single post from my side complaining about civilian casualties”
Because as stated, the operational tempo is slow and all kinds of measures are taken to limit unwanted damage.
So you need :
-“Russia and Iran have to up the tempo, implement a Battleplan to eliminate the Terrorist Axis”
to start complaining on civilian casualties.
I’m not talking ad hominem, I’m talking generally to those that use the war to fulfill their little, dirty propaganda needs.
And don’t try those jewtard tricks like shuffling cause and effect in a given context with me, I’m not going to be manipulated by whatever “side”.
John Whitehot
“…hose that use the war to fulfill their little, dirty propaganda needs…”
“…I’m not going to be manipulated by whatever “side”….”
Nothing personal but at the end of the day nothing you support or do not support will change what happens in Syria.
When Aleppo was happening, the UK media (BBC / Sky / Newspapers, etc had gone ape with Russian war crimes propaganda.
This is how it should work, Russia runs the Command and Control Centers, the Iranians are boots on the ground.
Russia issues a warning to the Terrorists to leave whichever area they occupy and send them to Idlib or another border area or face the consequences.
The terrorists who do not evacuate get dealt with.
I agree on this, but look – i never believed that something I support changes what happens in Syria – and frankly if anybody here believes to have that power I would not even know what to tell him.
“Russia issues a warning to the Terrorists to leave whichever area they occupy and send them to Idlib or another border area or face the consequences.
The terrorists who do not evacuate get dealt with”
Exactly. This is the current way things are run, and it seems pretty efficient to me. But you stated that Russia and Iran should step up operations, and I don’t agree – that would lead to more casualties, more damage, more dead civilians.
This kind of insurgency (Kind of euphemism, because it’s not a real insurgency) is won firstly by not losing people to the terrorist cause.
From the start of the Russian air group deployment, it has been quite clear, at least in the eyes of technicians, that the VKS is applying the principle of “Minimum needed force”, not the other way around (Examples of which are NATO in Yugoslavia or US in Irak).
There’s many people commenting “why Russia does not level the whole rebel territories up” or “why Iran does not send 200000 boots to the ground” – this is the answer.
deleting my replies aren’t we. very sad.
Please take a banana and rest for a while. All this is way beyond your capacity to grasp.
this is an adult discussion, Bro …take your dead drive to some other dark corner.
Rhetorius
Abdul Majeed is correct in relation to what he writes.
Russia has stated explicitly that it will shoot down any aircraft irrespective of its origin if it attacks the Syrian Military.
Russia talks big but at the end of the day its all bluff and power less.
That’s why countries like Israel and Turkey keep running rings around Russia.
“Russia has stated explicitly that it will shoot down any aircraft irrespective of its origin if it attacks the Syrian Military.” I don’t remember they ever said that, not in these words.
NeoLeo
“…I don’t remember they ever said that, not in these words….”
From Tass:
MOSCOW, October 6./TASS/.
Headline says:
Russian Defense Ministry warns US against missile, air strikes on Syrian troops.
Words quoted in Tass article:
Any missile or air strikes on the territory under control of the Syrian government will pose an obvious threat to the Russian military, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told a briefing on Thursday in comments on western media reports about possible strikes on Syrian troops.
http://tass.com/politics/904603
“The crews on duty will hardly have the time to calculate the missiles’ flight path or try to find out their nationality. As for the laymen’s illusions about the existence of ‘invisible planes’ they may confront a disappointing reality,” he said.
Konashenkov recalled that Russia’s bases in Hmeymim and Tartus were protected by S-400 and S-300 air defense systems, “whose range of operation may prove a surprise to any unidentified flying object.”
(Without quotes)
And the Syrian army has at its disposal S-200 and Buk systems and other weapons that underwent overhaul last year.
That I remember: Konashenkov is a spokesman for MoD (not really very important position tbh) and his words was grotesquely misinterpreted, he was mostly talking about american stealth planes and whether they pose a threat to Russian military, while his main concern were Russian troops, not Syrian. However the Deputy of the state Duma recently said the russian army will NOT protect the Syrian military: https://the-newspapers.com/2017/04/11/the-russian-army-will-not-protect-the-syrian-military-said-the-deputy-of-the-state-duma
NeoLeo
Russia / Russians were making all that noise and these statements were made shortly after the 56 (or so) Syrian soldiers were killed by an air strike in Deir Ez Zor.
The point is Russia is just bluffing and has no intention of protecting the Syrian Military.
Even if the US strikes Russian personnel in Syria, the response will be a lot of hot air just like the Turk downing of the SU24.
You are taking a lot of unrelated and as yet unconfirmed things as connected/real. Why do people continue to expect Russia to do exactly as the west would have them do? Putin is being goaded into making a mistake or helping the west to prove their points…and he isn’t falling for it. The Russians are doing exactly as they promised, no more, no less. Were the west unconvinced or the least unwary of Russian abilities, they would have done far more that is being done…and they would be doing it without subterfuge. The smoke and mirrors are on the western side, called propaganda and people continue to fall for it. Please inform me as to how NATO has Russia blockaded? This would be the first I’ve heard of it. NATOs missile systems are basically a PR campaign to instigate shit, they will not accomplish their mission. If Putin listened to people with your attitude, war would be a reality, not the board game that it is at this moment. Which do you prefer, war now for image sake or possible peace from smart and unhurried thought? You also seem to forget about the much vaunted Patriot system and it’s false reputation based on phony results. How about Syrias claim to have sunk an Israeli submarine? or the likely shootdown of an Israeli jet? Why do you simply discard these claims, while endorsing the Israeli claims, when you are making your assessment? Your acceptance of facts seem somewhat one sided or biased.
On the issue of: “NATO has Russia blockaded?”
In 2014 Putin admitted that NATO’s eastward expansion was containment (blockade) what ever you want to call it – the fact is it is/has happened and there is no Russian Response!
In his speech to the Kremlin on Russian-Crimean unification on March 18, 2014, President Vladimir Putin pointed towards NATO’s eastward expansion since the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1990-91 as symptom of a broader campaign to contain Russia and to disrupt Eurasian integration. Putin stated:
“We understand what is happening; we understand that these actions were aimed against Ukraine and Russia and against Eurasian integration…They have lied to us many times, made decisions behind our backs, placed us before an accomplished fact. This happened with NATO’s expansion to the East, as well as the deployment of military infrastructure at our borders… In short, we have every reason to assume that the infamous policy of containment, led in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries, continues today. They are constantly trying to sweep us into a corner because we have an independent position, because we maintain it.”
You can sit and buy into the defeatist naivety of “people continue to expect Russia to do exactly as the west would have them do” while the movement of NATO – its equipment and troops are real.
zman
Russia has stated explicitly that it will shoot down any aircraft irrespective of its origin if it attacks the Syrian Military.
Russia talks big but at the end of the day its all bluff and power less.
That’s why countries like Israel and Turkey keep running rings around Russia.
I have not heard this statement before.
Are you quoting an MSM news source?
PZIVJ
From Tass:
MOSCOW, October 6./TASS/.
Any missile or air strikes on the territory under control of the Syrian government will pose an obvious threat to the Russian military, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told a briefing on Thursday in comments on western media reports about possible strikes on Syrian troops.
http://tass.com/politics/904603
Headline says:
Russian Defense Ministry warns US against missile, air strikes on Syrian troops.
“The crews on duty will hardly have the time to calculate the missiles’ flight path or try to find out their nationality. As for the laymen’s illusions about the existence of ‘invisible planes’ they may confront a disappointing reality,” he said.
Konashenkov recalled that Russia’s bases in Hmeymim and Tartus were protected by S-400 and S-300 air defense systems, “whose range of operation may prove a surprise to any unidentified flying object.”
(Without quotes)
And the Syrian army has at its disposal S-200 and Buk systems and other weapons that underwent overhaul last year.
never told
Solomon Krupacek
“…never told…”
Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told.
From Tass:
MOSCOW, October 6./TASS/.
Any missile or air strikes on the territory under control of the Syrian government will pose an obvious threat to the Russian military, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told a briefing on Thursday in comments on western media reports about possible strikes on Syrian troops.
http://tass.com/politics/904603
Headline says:
Russian Defense Ministry warns US against missile, air strikes on Syrian troops.
“The crews on duty will hardly have the time to calculate the missiles’ flight path or try to find out their nationality. As for the laymen’s illusions about the existence of ‘invisible planes’ they may confront a disappointing reality,” he said.
Konashenkov recalled that Russia’s bases in Hmeymim and Tartus were protected by S-400 and S-300 air defense systems, “whose range of operation may prove a surprise to any unidentified flying object.”
(Without quotes)
And the Syrian army has at its disposal S-200 and Buk systems and other weapons that underwent overhaul last year.
Russia Deployed A-50U Airborne Early Warning And Control Aircraft To Syria
This is action, this is showing some form of strength and gives a message to Israel. Russia must not retreat in the face of war, this is what the Zionist and The Americas are hoping for. No one wants a war but the war of dominance by the America’s is more dangerous than a small scale Nuke war.
I’m afraid to contradict you but the Russians actually possess best weaponry in every single sector while the Us are waisting trillions of dollars in stretching themselves in more 700 bases but with less effective forces respect to the Russians and China. If a war burst out Russia and China would actually defeat the Us. For this reason they are desperately seeking the first strike advantage in terms of nuclear power and in doing so they are destabilizing the entire world and firstly Europe. But the Russians are taking effective counter measures against that……
I am not looking for the hypnotically or wishful thinking to my question. The question is: Has anyone ever seen the S-Air Defense System worked? NATO is feely positioning itself (as demonstrated in the attach map) …and I see no Russian response – but to give credit were due, Crimea was a very good move. China’s posture is defensive and forward thinking in its war strategy – as seen in the East China Sea. But sad to say Russia has shown only weakness and standing up to US/NATO strategic movements.
http://schillerinstitute.org/strategic/2014/images/Global_Showdown_Map.jpg
Abdul Majeed
“…Russia has shown only weakness and standing up to US/NATO strategic movements…”
Russia talks big but at the end of the day its all bluff and power less.
That’s why countries like Israel and Turkey keep running rings around Russia.
s – 200 shot down Israel F-16 in Palmyra, Russia is going to respond asymmetrically to Nato threat with another nuclear threat. Best way to defend is attack
..my point exactly, Palmya is over 200 miles away from Israel and its F-16 (in your report) could fly that far into enemy’s territory, that is equipped with the S-Air Defense Systems, hit its target and make its way out again; then like I have said …there is a problem.
I think that there is also a political issue. Russia gave Syria permission to shoot down the Israel f-16 with a old weaponry system. This produced two facts : Israel loss of air superiority and show effectiveness of Russian defense system. If Russia chose to use A-400 none of the Israelian plane would have returned
That’s 200 miles of rebel territory, not SAA territory. Obviously SAA has no air defences or radars in rebel territory.
s – 200 shot down Israel F-16 in Palmyra
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Solomon Krupacek
Watched angry Avigdor Lieberman on BBC TV newsreel which said an Israeli spokesman denied any Israeli aircraft were shot down.
However it was mentioned that Israeli pilots will receive training on countering any anti aircraft missile.
“Has anyone ever seen the S-Air Defense System worked? NATO is feely positioning itself (as demonstrated in the attach map)”. And you expect them to do what exactly, to attack NATO? Go full nuclear? They reacted, and somewhat spoiled the US plans in both Syria and Ukraine, they are trying to modernize their military, introduce new weapon systems, they increase their military presence on their western borders (including Kaliningrad and Crimea), deployed not just AA defenses but also Iskanders, what else they can do?
Russia is not USSR they do not have population/economy to compete not just with the Empire/USA but with all american vassals, Canada, entire Europe (including those neutrals like Finland and Sweden), turkey is nato, Ukraine is extremely hostile, Saudis (and all their sunni allies/puppets), Japan, Australia etc etc… all under american influence. Russia is trying to defuse the conflict not to escalate it. Seriously what do you think they should do differently?
No official sures confirmed that there was an Israeli bombing yesterday in Quneitra province. The Israeli F-35 are not yet operational. The S-300 are operated by the Russians in northern Syria alone.
Why give a platform to Fake News?
yeah, why.
Business insider is a propaganda and cheerleader outlet for western businessmen. I sometimes read stories I know to be BS just to see what crap is being foisted upon the sheeple. Doesn’t mean you have to believe them, but it does help to know what their BS line of attack is… it makes it much easier to debunk them in conversation with people that believe their shit. Like the part about Israel using F-35s operationally or having taken out a S-300 system. Does anyone who is kept up to date on Syria believe such blather?
IAC controlled and owned publication (just like the Match Group, AVG and TKSystems)
So who owns IAC? and what do they want? Does IaC want abortion rights?
A very big media holdings company .. Business Insider, The Daily Beast and others..You could say, control and profits (for the stockholders).
Israel doesn’t want Hezbollah and Iran in Syria. Who cares? They have just to try another invasion to be defeated again
If Israel can destroy air defence system next to Assad’s palace, why can’t they destroy assad’s palace. Don’t they have time to do it?. News looks silly and fake
News fake
Not just fake but dumb as well, s300 near Assad’s palace? Probably in his kitchen…
It’s all about business, israelies and the rest are trying to convince everyone that S-series are useless, i mean turkey bought s-400, they can’t have nato members start buying russian hardware,bad for business, unless they proove it with a video and attack helis do have a cameras running during the missions, i’m considering this fake news.
Great for training though.
Laughable garbage.
Seems very unlikely. First, the S-300 system involves multiple launchers and there wasn’t enough strikes to destroy a system of that magnitude. Second, Hezbollah reasoning is standard language used by Israel to justify action in Syria, More likely than not, a high profile Hezbollah/Iranian target appeared in the open or arrived for a larger meeting. Here is the thing about taking out the S-300. What do you think the Russians would do? They would just install the S-400. Thus more likely target was a person. Another possibility is arrival of ground-ground or land to sea weapons that were being delivered, or stored at the airport. Israel lost several listening stations as a result of the attack, which tells you they were going after something more tangible than an upgrade of Syrian anti air capabilities.
I’ve already commented on the issue, but anybody stating that Israeli F-35s participated in combat actions has totally missed that they are not going to be operational for a long time.
These days even the most basic technical notion is disregarded by the MsM when they need to reinforce some crass propaganda
The Netherland got delivery of two F35’s some two years ago and they are operative now. The Netherlands will rule the worled (lol).
Netherlands is a shitty, little, vassal country full of arabs, chinese and africans. But hey – you have two, TWO f35 you must be so proud…btw your hallucinations are an occasional side effect of brain damage.
Well, thank you for your best wishes. I love you too (a very, very little bit)
Israel only got two in January and was reportedly testing and training with them. Unless Israeli pilots were training in the U.S. (possible), I suspect that John is correct. Israel would want to develop their own tactics and probably share that experience with multiple pilots before using them in combat. I don’t know, just going with the most plausible scenario.
John Whitehot
There have been reports that Israeli jets do not even have to fly in Syrian airspace, they fire precision guided missiles from a distance to hit their target which includes civilians and civilian infrastructure.
true. Those jets were not F-35 though, for the already mentioned reasons.
It also remains to be seen how many of those missiles actually reach their targets. In my opinion, in the latest months that percentage has been very small, but of course is just an impression.
John Whitehot
Agreed not F-35’s.
The sad part is MSM or even the Syrian media does not report on the actual details ir losses of the Israeli air strikes.
Russia must feel shame for allowing Israel to attack Syria (it does not matter the reason). Russia is guilty for Syria to suffer these attacks. The S-300 and S-400 are useless when Israel, USA, or Turkey attack Syria….. what a wonderful defense system for Syria !! Yes, I know, now Russia is saying that these systems are not for defending Syria but russian base, hummmm …. what a nice friend has Syria, Hezbolath and Iran !!
gustavo
Iran has one million plus Military Personnel polishing their weapons and boots in Iran.
Syria can be saved if Iran sends 200,000 soldiers to Syria.
Otherwise, as the conflict rolls on, the Syrian Military will eventually collapse, the Syrian government will fall.
Turkey Saudi Qatar will take control of Syria.
Not just fake but dumb as well, s300 near Assad’s palace? Probably in his kitchen…
The SAA should focus on Qneitra, to prevent Israel from capturing it, it is absolutely necessary to do so.
Also, it would be nice to see the SAA pushing forwards to take full control over the Golan heights. Unfortunately it is highly unlikely to see such thing happening in the current situation.
My take on the situation is that the non-operational “Russian-made Pantsir-S1 mobile surface-to-air missile system set for delivery to Hezbollah” was the target and they probably got it. I think that the Russian take is that this system was never intended for Hezbollah and now will only deliver such systems that are to stay with the SAA. As for the American strike, I believe that it over whelmed a Pantsir truck mounted system and got that system, as it could only get 8 to 10 incoming before running out of all ammunition at best. I think the Russians should make sure that that truck mounted system have the capacity to be linked to other gun and missile launcher systems.. by cable (hard wire) preferably. Antidotal evidence is that Duma representatives where calling for more Pantsirs for Syria, but if the Syrians were giving them away, Putin would have nixed the sale.
This is a picture taken at Al Shayrat airbase.
I appears to be a Pantsir-S1?
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“…appears to be a Pantsir-S1?…”
Photo hides what was on the vehicle, it could be a Radar installation or a Missile launcher.
Soon after the Tomahawk strike, somewhere, cannot find it now, it was mentioned, a Radar Installation was destroyed.
US statement does not mention Radar installation or a Missile launcher.
“…The missiles — launched from the USS Ross and USS Porter warships deployed in the Mediterranean — targeted the base’s two airstrips, hangars, control tower and ammunition depots, U.S. officials said….”
Russian statement does not mention Radar installation or a Missile launcher:
“…Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said they destroyed six Syrian air force MiG-23 fighter jets that were undergoing repairs….”
“…The Kremlin maintained only 23 of the 59 cruise missiles reached the base, leaving the runways intact. However, a U.S. official said all but one of the 59 missiles struck their targets, hitting multiple aircraft and air shelters, and destroying the fuel area. The official, who was not authorized to discuss initial reports, spoke on condition of anonymity….”
Based on scanty media reports these items were destroyed
1 MiG 23 Aircraft awaiting repair
Fuel Tanker explosion which destroyed another 5 MiG 23 Aircraft that were awaiting repair
Antonov-124 Cargo Plane with dismantled wings used to store parts and tools
Tanker truck
Cars
One Aircraft Concrete Hangar Bunker
One Bulldozer
Slight Damage to one Runway
I counted 14 some impacts and may have missed some of the doubles on the bunkers… and 23 incoming would overwhelm a Pantsir and perhaps even 2. Pantsir has 6 missiles and 560 rounds per gun (generally 10 round [short] bursts).. I think you understand. The titanium warhead is meant to take a beating, like make its way through the ceiling of a concrete bunker.
TS
There were reports that several Syrian military personnel were killed by the missile strike.
Initially wondered why any personnel were left behind considering the US gave one clear hour of warning to Russia regarding this attack which allowed both the Syrians and Russians to move all movable assets to safety.
Could be these Syrian personnel left behind were manning the Pantsir missile or a radar installation.
Without a clear photo its impossible to say.
A thinking man, comments like yours are no longer common place on this site. To bad, really as it is a good source of information, with a little serving of salt. Thanks for the interesting take.
Babba Kama 101: A jew can lie to a gentile to gain advantage
Trust these forked tongue Ziostani liars and thieves at ones own peril.
NO IDONT THINK YOU DISROID THEM RUSSIA MISSIL S 300 INMPOSBLE
This story is too big to not be confirmed by all parties. After all, claiming something isn’t as verified confirmed fact. I didn’t read anywhere about S-300 being destroyed, but missiles can destroy anything on the ground and in the air.